#109 Reed Davis - Stop Drugging your Boys

0 (0s): The Korean Indians could run across the tundra and the plane hunt and fish like for 14 hours a day. No problem. Nowadays, they're all sick with diabetes. Why? Because we changed their diet. They wanted to put that kid who was only nine years old, by the way, on drugs, 1 (16s): How many boys are put on something like Ritalin or Adderall? Because simply their, their routine is off. They're not getting enough sleep, they're watching too much screens. They're eating the wrong food. Like you name the thing. 0 (26s): So in these quote unquote sort of problem kids, what percentage do you think were eating sugary crappy cereal? A hundred in the morning? A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Were eating crap. Yeah, for breakfast, 1 (39s): You have parents that are exhausted, overworked, feel like they're at their wit's end. So like the, I'm, I can't wake up early enough to make breakfast. I'm gonna pour this thing of cereal. And then you think you have a problematic kid, so then you drug your kid instead of just waking up. And maybe it's gonna sound judgmental. Wake up 10 minutes early and crack a couple eggs in a pan. 0 (57s): You know what I think we should make parents do? Go ahead, pop a couple of Ritalin and see how you feel, and then you, and then decide if you want your kid on there. 1 (1m 5s): Things that seem like hurdles are going to be so much better for your family to where you're not medicating your small child. Hello everybody. You are listening or watching Chatting with Candace. I'm your host Candice Horbacz. Before we jump into the episode, hit that like and subscribe button. It helps me out a ton. It helps me beat the algorithm and grow this little podcast that could. This week we have Reed Davis. Joining the podcast, Reid is a board Certified holistic health, Practitioner, a Certified, Nutritional Therapist. He's an expert in Functional lab testing and holistic lifestyle medicine. He's the Founder of Functional, Diagnostic, Nutrition or FDN for short. 1 (1m 49s): And his courses ha, he have over 4,000 graduates in 50 countries. This is a great episode for January to get your health on track. If, for all of you that are confused as to where to begin, what do I do, what labs are worth my money, where is my baseline and how do I get better? This is a great episode for you. I hope you enjoy it. Please help me welcome Reed, Davis, Reed Davis, thank you so much for joining the podcast today. I'm really excited to learn from you. 0 (2m 21s): Well, thanks for having me, Candace. I'm glad to be here. 1 (2m 24s): So I was just saying before we hit record, I was really excited that this happened to be scheduled for January because I feel like so many people, including myself, we kind of let ourselves go during the holidays and it's the excuse of cookies and pie and we and family, which that one is a good one. But we let our routines and our workouts and it kind of, everything fall by the wayside. So January comes and everyone has their resolutions and 0 (2m 54s): Yeah, this time of year, isn't it? 1 (2m 56s): It's, so, I guess starting with labs, I think that's a really good place to start for most people. I think a lot of people have probably never had a real intensive lab. They have no idea what's going on under the hood and they kind of just jump into it. So can we get into the importance of Foundational, Lab, Work, and then what you would recommend to somebody who's just getting started? 0 (3m 19s): Well, the Foundational labs that we have worked with for over 20 years are critical. They're, they're Foundational to health. They tell you what you need to work on and they direct how you would work on it. And so, you know, I teach a course in functional lab work as it applies to all natural or developing all natural drug-free protocols for anyone with any condition. So that means no matter what's wrong with you, you usually, in this world, other than the infectious diseases, you've lived yourself into that problem. So you've distorted, you've upset the apple car hormones, your immune system, digestion and so on. 0 (3m 60s): So the labs tell you how to fix it. And they're just critical. I, I couldn't imagine doing anything without them. You know, we all run labs on ourselves all the time. So we get the data. 1 (4m 13s): So are you looking at micronutrients, hormones, thyroid, like how, how minimal of a lab can someone get to where it's like a good jump off point without maybe doing the whole shebang and spending, you know, five grand, six grand on some crazy labs? 0 (4m 33s): I have an acronym that I developed over a period of time. It's H-I-D-D-E-N. And that spells hidden and many of these things are hidden, so it's kind of cute. And that stands for hormone immune Digestion, detoxification, HIDD. And then energy production and nervous system balance are also critical. So, you know, over this long period of time, I developed a system of investigation, hormone immune digestion, detoxification. And you can do all of this with just five labs. And that might sound like a lot, but it's the best investment you could make in getting the data. That's your data. 0 (5m 14s): You're, it's critical for each individual to understand where are their hormones, what, what's going on with the immune system? Is it overactive, underactive, what about the digestive system? Is it working all that expensive food you're eating, paying all that extra money for that. And supplements too, you know, is it getting actually absorbed into your body? And of course, you know, a lot of health complaints are around poor digestion. And then on the detox, it's so easy to do these tests and to check and see is your liver properly filtering and and detoxifying everything. So to answer your question, no we don't do nutrient testing much. Not at first anyway, or genetic testing. 0 (5m 56s): We look at the real hardcore functional measurements that tell us what's really wrong. Do you, and that came outta my story of, you know, how I started in the business and being a good investigator. 1 (6m 9s): So do you, do you think with the genetic testing that sometimes is there a good reason to hold off on those if you don't have any signs of a problem? Because if you, I love Joe Dispen, Joe Dispen, his work. I'm read all of his stuff. And I really think that there's a lot that we don't know, but we do know that the mind is extremely powerful and then it can, it can affect how our symptoms show up, how our illnesses show up. So maybe you are doing great and then you find out you have a gene mutation for let's say like ocular degeneration of some sort. And then now that's in your, the back of your mind that you're gonna lose your vision when you get older is, I don't know, like is can it do more harm potentially if you are predisposed to like worrying or neurosis or maybe just like a negative mind, like a more of a pessimistic mindset 0 (7m 4s): That matters. And I like Joe very much, I've met him and listened to him a lot of his books as well. And the mind matters. And at the same time, genetic testing, which was the question, it's the, the Human Biome project, which discovered how many genes we have. And all these things was kind of disappointing in the long run for practitioners. And another thing about the gene testing is they might show propensities. 'cause you know, your dad had colon cancer, you have the gene for colon cancer. Well you wanna spay pay a little extra attention and not get colon cancer. 0 (7m 49s): And so that could be important. At the same time, there's no before and after on gene testing, they'll never change. The ones you have are the ones you have, you, you can't pick your parents or your grandparents or anybody. So the tests that we do are more Foundational than that. They're functional. It's how am I, you know, with all my genes, the genetic potential is what matters. Genetic potential and how is that expressed? What's through your interaction with the environment? So it's really epigenetics. That's the science that we study more than the genes. 'cause you can't change your genes again, you can't pick your parents or grandparents and some things, and I'm reading right now a book that your listeners might like. 0 (8m 35s): It's called ER's Prophecy. It's about the work of Francis Pottinger, who was a great, great scientist at the turn of the last century. You know, some of his most important work was written in 19 15, 19 20, 25. And that's the stuff that, that we can have an effect with a person, you know, on. So again, the hormones, immune system, digestion, how's your body working right now? How's it interacting? How are you as your genetic potential? Interacting with the world in your environment is more important. So if you have any condition, chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia or migraines or diarrhea, you know what I mean? 0 (9m 21s): It's how are you interacting with the world now, now? So, so not to put down gene testing, it could be very helpful in troubleshooting later on. But if you don't get your act together, basically, you know, with, with with these EA areas that are very easy to test, most of them are at home testing Candace, and they're not expensive. And I, what I did as a lay person, I came into the field from environmental law and conservation. So I'm a good investigator and you know, far I'll say, but I wasn't a Practitioner, I wasn't a doctor. 0 (10m 2s): So I had to look at health as an investigative process. And I spent 10 years in a lab, in a, in a practice, in a clinic running thousands of labs on thousands of people. And I made some discoveries and really, I just identified patterns. 'cause I'm good at that and came up with a system that anyone can use. So that's the important part for me being kind of blue collar minded, is how do I put the power in the hands of the people? And it's to running these simple at home tests that you can, you can run 'em yourself, you can, I mean you should get trained, but you could look at your markers and how am I doing? 0 (10m 43s): Besides just how you feel. You know, you can't go by symptoms because they don't really matter. They're not the problem, they're the result of the real problem. So I think if you, you're getting what I'm saying, we can be more in control. Why put your health in someone else's hands when you can be in control of it yourself. 1 (11m 6s): Yeah, I think a lot of people are trying to, to figure out how to do just that. Because it can be really frustrating when you do go to more traditional, more traditional routes of medic medicine or going to the doctor's office. And even with labs, like if you have an issue and you show up and you get your lab results back, you have such a big range of what is acceptable for so many things. And what might look fine if you, for example, get your thyroid panel done and you're on the low end of acceptable, but you're like, I feel terrible, they're not gonna do anything for you. They're just gonna say, well, you're in normal range. So it's almost like even the way that modern western medicine treats labs, it's just very brush it all off unless you're critically out of range in some way. 0 (11m 53s): Exactly. So I'm currently been producing a series called Science Matters. You could look it up somewhere. And with a very prominent physician, I go over certain studies that are being done. And it's, it's just the contrast between the way those people think of things. The way I think of things is amazing. So everybody in our book is a study of one. And there's no cohort. I'm not a cohort, I'm a individual person. And that's something I recognize. 0 (12m 31s): 25, 19 99, you know, 24 years ago when I first got into this field, I was in environmental law, conservation, saving the whole planet, you know, air pers, water trees be. And I decided to turn my attention to people, Candace. And what about, you know, I saw how bad the environment was treating the world and I wondered what about me? You know, like I was healthy, but I didn't want something sneaking up on me. So I changed jobs. I went into this clinic and I was, I went in to run the business. That's what I was hired for. But I started taking classes and really getting interested in the clinical side. 0 (13m 14s): And it was amazing how many people were just lost. They were stuck in that cycle of trial and error. They'd been to a Practitioner, a lot of 'em had been told, nothing's wrong with you, it's on your head. You know, like, like as if, you know, headaches are just an aspirin deficiency, you know, treating everything with a pill. And I was out riding my motorcycle one day and I just really came to this realization, two major ones. One was, why are these people putting their health in someone else's hands? They need to get in control. And then, well, how, how, how do you get in control? 0 (13m 54s): And I decided, as nuts as it sounds, I'm gonna be the last person they need to see to get their health back. And I started running labs and looking at underlying causes and conditions. And I did that for 10 years in that clinic, became kind of well known for, for the level of lab work that I was doing. And, and then I systematized it so that anyone can do it. 1 (14m 20s): So do you see, do you see an uptake in food sensitivities and I guess specifically gluten with, because you were an environmental lawyer, things like glyphosate, pesticides, things of that nature. Like is it, is it the gluten or is it the chemicals that we are spraying on the gluten that we allow within the states? 0 (14m 42s): Well, it's both. And so let, let me put that in context of our protocols. So not only have I systematized a, an intake system to really Discover key functional markers that you, you gotta have these things in order. These things have to be working the way they were designed. By the way, there's no, like Joe says, the design is perfect. So we don't have to teach any cells what their job is. They know what it is, right? But, so then once we do the investigation, then what, and this addresses your question. It's, I have another acronym. 0 (15m 23s): I had the H-I-D-D-E-N, hidden stressors and contributors to Metabolic Chaos. And you sort all that out. Well then what you, you use it to, to describe or make a protocol, which is D-R-E-S-S diet, right? For that individual rest, which is beyond sleep, more than just sleep diet, rest E is exercise. And then the two s is DRE, diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction and supplementation. And so on. Your question about glyphosates and food sensitivities, and those are all hidden stressors. 0 (16m 4s): You know, they're, they become part of your stress reduction. What can I do to reduce stress? Well, it's not all mental and emotional, you know? Yeah. You can get rid of bad people in your life and if you need to separate from certain influences Yeah. Get away from bad people, people make you feel bad. But beyond that, there's the environment, which is where I originally came from, which, so there are glyphosates and all kinds of electromagnetic frequencies and, and, and all kinds of sort of, let's say negative influences. I call them contributors to metabolic chaos. And I'll tell you how I came up with that, that phrase. 0 (16m 45s): But another big one is food. Mm. So by the way, when you do our Food sensitivity testing, you got D-R-E-S-S. So diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction supplementation. Well, when you run a Food sensitivity test, you're covering a stressor, a contributor to metabolic case while you're correcting your diet, you know, you're getting your diet just right. And there's that, we, we use a system called Metabolic typing. But metabolic typing diet minus your food sensitivities improves your diet. And I've seen that just, just totally clear people's problem up, just changing the way they ate. They have more energy, their cells work better, their body functions better, so on. 0 (17m 26s): But then in terms of testing for stressors, it's really cheap and easy to test for if glyphosate's in your water, for instance, and in your environment. And I, I live out in the country, up in the hills and I have well water and I had to have that tested and found out something. You learn stuff when you run this. So those things you mentioned glu, like gluten and glyphosates, they're the easy ones. You know, it's getting people to realize that for them, a food that other people could eat is not good for them. It's actually contributing to metabolic kits. 0 (18m 7s): Why we test, you know, that saying test don't guess or, you know, we do an awful lot of that. 1 (18m 14s): So what 0 (18m 14s): Are, it really cleans things up. 1 (18m 16s): What are the different types of metabolic? Metabolic Diets, I, I don't know if I've heard of that. 0 (18m 22s): Okay, so you're, you're, everyone has me. Metabolism is just, all the chemical reactions going on in your body. There's two main types. There's catabolic, which breaks your body down, and there's anabolic, which builds your body up. And they actually need to be in balance. It's okay to, you know, we're, we're replacing new old cells with new cells all the time. So there's this balance of cat catabolism and anabolism, so not cannibalism. So there's catabolic and anabolic and so that's metabolism. It's not just what some people might think of it. So you, you need to measure first, are you catabolic or anabolic or are you balanced? 0 (19m 6s): And that's so easy to do. And from there you run every, so everything comes off of that. Are you, are you breaking down or are you building up? And when you get past a certain age, you're more inclined to be catabolic, all the stressors, all of the things that are breaking your body down. Now when you're a kid, you're more anabolic 'cause they're still growing. So they're very anabolic. It's very easy to work with kids. And I've had amazing results with children because they respond so quickly to changes in diet and, and habits and things. So I might've lost what your question is, but 1 (19m 43s): Different metabolic diet types. 0 (19m 45s): Yeah, so, so the idea of catabolic anabolic, I had, I had to explain that as a basis, but balance is the key. So one of the key balancing factors is diet. And the, the best way to think of it is your ratios of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. So everyone knows what those are. There's meat and vegetables and fat. Most meat has fat in it. So you can fat meat, you know, protein and then vegetables, fruits and what have you for your, for your carbs. And there's a ratio that's right for you. That's what metabolic typing is. It's what am I? And it's based on your, what's called your oxidative rate. 0 (20m 27s): So how fast you burn fuel. Like me, I'm a very fast oxidizer. So that means that I burn fuel very quickly. It means I have to burn slow burning fuel. So what burns faster protein and fat or carbohydrates? Carbohydrates burn faster. Yeah. So I need more protein and fat to, to maintain this, this combustion rate. It's, it's in every cell in my body. So if I eat a lot of protein and fat, I'm very balanced. I can stay if soon as I eat too much carbohydrate, I don't have any energy, my cells don't have energy to do their job. And you, so then you start to overconsume, you know, I have a perfect example and I hope, hope this is, you can follow this. 0 (21m 13s): 'cause this all just comes off the top of my head from 25 years experience with, with people one-on-one. But my, my cousin happens to be a priest up in Canada. I think he's a bad one 'cause they banished him like to way up north. He has these, he must have been hard on certain groups, but he, he moved up north to where his parishes, his two parishes, they're, they're Cree Indian villages. So Cree Indians were known when, when this North America was being sort of discovered a few hundred years ago by Europeans that they were really had the most energy of any people they'd ever seen is the Korean Indians could run across the tundra and the plane hunting fish like for 14 hours a day. 0 (22m 4s): No problem. Just really energetic. And nowadays they're all sick with diabetes. Why? Because we changed their diet. You know, they moved in, they took over the areas. They have gold mines, copper mines. They changed. They, these people don't hunt and fish anymore for their natural high protein, high fat Diets. They eat fucking Tim Hornet, Tim Tim Horton donuts and spaghetti and you know, fried chicken and stuff. They're not out there hunting and fishing. So it ruined them. When I asked my cousin, you know, what are these your parishioners do for like, do they see a medicine man? 0 (22m 44s): First thing he says was, well I'm their medicine man, you know, 'cause he is the priest. But I said, no, when they get sick. And he, he said, no, they're all sick. They all go to government clinics and take their diabetes medication. Well, what happened? They quit hunting and fishing. By the way, the caribou and the salmon in the rivers are still very abundant. But they quit. They got put on little reservations and stuff and, and they're eating from the corner store instead of doing what they are naturally inclined to do. That tells you that metabolic typing works. You know, if you think a bit about it, genetically they're designed perfectly to eat, you know, protein and fat fish and caribou and not much else. 0 (23m 27s): They don't get, they don't grow anything up there. There's seasonal, I've been up there like blueberries and some seaweed and stuff. But now, so they, their Metabolic type is fast oxygen, they burn fast. And I happen to be the same way. But my wife who's from the islands of the Caribbean, you know, they didn't have caribou and salmon in the rivers. They had, they had, you know, they eat a lot of potatoes and so they're designed perfectly to eat slow oxidizer for them. She's a very slow oxidizer. So if she eats a lot of meat and fat, it it, it clogs her up. She can't even hardly digest it, you know. 0 (24m 10s): But when she eats lots of vegetables roots and, and these things that she, she a slow oxidizer eats then she does very well. So she, we make a meal, she takes this part and I take this part and everybody's happy. 1 (24m 26s): So does it drive you nuts when you see kind of blank prescribed Diets to everyone, like just eat car? 'cause the hot one right now is carnivore like everyone, especially it's carnivore month, world month or 0 (24m 38s): Whatever. Yeah, that's a great question and I, I love it. 'cause when I first started working in that clinic, the first thing I did was take a course in nutrition. The amazing thing is the doctor who owned the clinic said, you can work on patients in between your classes. So I started investigating interviewing for Beck at, in the 1999, 2000. The Atkins diet was the rage no different than today's paleo and the ancestral Diets, you know, Dr. Atkins said meat, it's good, eat saturated fat and all this stuff. And I did it and it worked for me. 0 (25m 19s): That's how I, that was before I knew about metabolic typing. But, but I knew that high protein and fat I did very well at. But I put, I started putting some of the patients of the clinic, you know, recommending that. And some did really well. Some it didn't change others that made 'em worse. 1 (25m 38s): Interesting. 0 (25m 39s): So what was, what's the variable? Who's eating it? Whoever's eating it. That's the variable. So, so Diets, there's no one diet that's right for everyone. There's no single food that's right for everyone. There's foods that are bad for everyone, like too much sugar and you know, seed oils and there's lots of things that are bad for everybody, but there's hardly anything that's good for everybody. It depends who's eating it. And the, the question I think started with the metabolic types before that we're talking about just food and that you could be sensitive to a food that everyone else does. You could be sensitive to carrots. 0 (26m 20s): Well, everyone knows carrots are good, right? Not for everybody. That's why we test, 1 (26m 26s): See that actually I did one of those gut tests and carrots came up as a, an avoid food for me and they want you to avoid it for like three to six months and retest. And I was talking to, I think it was Derek, more plates, more dates. I don't know if you know who that is, but he's, he is, I think one of the, the founders of Meic Health and his opinion was that those gut tests, they, they're not really that accurate because they, your gut microbiome can change so rapidly. So to take a food like carrots out for six months didn't make sense to him. What's, what are your thoughts on that? Well, 0 (27m 2s): He's got a point, smart guy and there's, you can argue the, the sort of logic, but let me give you a scenario. And this happened multiple, multiple times with, with men, with women and with children especially. So I don't even know which story to tell, but we take a lady who was coming in Candace, and you'll appreciate her. She was, she was in her late forties. She'd been exercising up to a point, she was coming in for chiropractic care and I'd been walking her back to the treatment rooms each visit and just talking to her. 0 (27m 43s): She wasn't a client of mine yet. And she said, I could tell she was really down one day, she had her head down. She looked angry and you know me the happy guy. I am like, wait, what's going on? Oh, it's this weight. I'm 40 pounds overweight and it's killing me. And it's been going on for two years. And you know, I keep, I kept trying to get in there with, hey, what are we gonna do? Here's, let's do something. You know? And she just wouldn't be stopped from telling her story that she, she was on this medication for the hives. She got the hives of blotches all over her body for two years and she'd been on this medication that made her gain 40 pounds and it was really ticking her off and frustrating her. 0 (28m 26s): And before I could see it, I think, you know, I'm walking her back to get her treatment and, and she's like reading. I went to my doctor the other day and I told her how frustrating it was to be this overweight because of the medication. According to her. He said, you can lady, you can be fat, you can have the hives take your pick. 1 (28m 45s): Oh my gosh. 0 (28m 48s): And so she said, well doctor, that's very depressing. And he said, I'll be happy to write your prescription for antidepressants. 1 (28m 58s): Whoa. 0 (28m 59s): And so I said to her, call her by her first name. I go, why didn't you ever try to find out why you get the hives? What, you know, like her head snapped around so hard. I thought she wouldn't need her chiropractic treatment that day. You know, she, what? You know, I said we could ta run some tests, find out why you get the hives. And anyway, fast forwarding just a little bit, we ran a couple labs, got her off certain foods that were daily ordinary foods like you said, you know, could have been carrots, it wasn't with her, but, but just she goes, oh my god, I'm eating that stuff every day. 0 (29m 42s): Got off that stuff. And within nine days she told me, Reid, within nine days I called my doctor and said, I'm not taking this medication anymore because I found out why I get the hives. And then within another two weeks she was losing weight by going to the gym. And I'll finish with this Candace, she had not worked out to a sweat or taken a hot shower in two years because even on the medications she would get the hives. So you talk about changing someone's life and how good that felt by testing for foods and eliminating. So no disrespect. And you know, you, you could argue the gut microbiome and I can go there if you want, but getting off the wrong foods has done miracles like that. 0 (30m 29s): I, they're not real miracles, it's just science at work. But I had another lady, same thing, migraine headaches. I had a, a kid who had symptoms of ad he was poking at other kids and misbehaving and, and the school wanted to send him home. And the, the, the mother was, I talked to the mother and I didn't know if I could help run some labs. Some labs changed his kid's diet and lifestyle, you know, bedtime and things. A little bit within three weeks, the principal of the school called me, tracked me down through the mom and says, Hey, this is a different kid. He's paying attention. He's not disrupting the class. He's he not poking the other kids. And so he goes, so he recognized improvement, but then he said this was disheartening. 0 (31m 15s): He goes, what'd you put 'em on? You know, so as if some magic pill or drug or something. But the point I'm making is that Food sensitivity testing has helped me help others in ways that are so rewarding. You know, they wanted to put that kid who was only nine years old, by the way, on drugs. 1 (31m 36s): Yeah. That should be illegal. I 0 (31m 38s): That should be illegal. Yeah. His mom was like, I don't wanna put him on drugs. Yeah. 1 (31m 44s): So when it comes, you mentioned that not all food is bad for everyone, but some food, some, some food is, is bad for everyone and not all food is good for everyone. So when we're talking and especially with children, the synthetic dyes for example, that's a huge co conversation right now. Are there some kids that are less sensitive to those dyes or is that one of those things that you would put in the category of no kid should have these dyes, artificial dyes? 0 (32m 12s): It's a hard one, but yeah, I would say certain things. Sugar and food coloring and artificial ingredients are aren't good for anybody. They're only good for manufacturers who sell this stuff and want it, make it appeal 'cause it tastes good. You know, I, let me give you a really quick one. One of our patients long time ago was a principal of five charter schools. And each day of the week she went to a different school and one of her things she started doing was sitting in on parent, teacher, kid problem meetings. You know, like a parent teacher meeting and over behavior usually. 0 (32m 54s): And she started asking the child who were, you know, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, what'd you have for breakfast? So in these quote unquote sort of problem kids, what percentage do you think were eating sugary, crappy cereal? A hundred percent. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Were eating crap for breakfast. And you know, it just, these things make sense to you and I, but for some reason parents still want what's convenient or tastes, this is what he'll eat. So, you know, he, 1 (33m 30s): And it's what he eats 'cause that's what he, no, like my, so my oldest is four, he's never had cereal in his life. He's never seen a box of cereal. And my sister's kids live a very different lifestyle. And I, they had, they came over and they brought a pantry worth of stuff that he's never seen. Like Cheetos, neon blue taquitos, like sugary, like Oreo, golden Oreo. And he's just looking at it, he's like, what is all of this? And he is just, I'm, I didn't wanna make it a thing. It was the holidays, like, okay, you can have a couple. And he was a different child, like off the walls, chaotic, jumping, screaming. And he's a very chill dude. 1 (34m 14s): And it's sad because you see, you have parents that are exhausted, overworked, feel like they're at their wit's end. So like the, I'm, I can't wake up early enough to make breakfast, I'm gonna pour this thing of cereal. And then you think you have a problematic kid, so then you drug your kid instead of just waking up and maybe it's gonna sound judgmental, wake up 10 minutes early and crack a couple eggs in a pan. I mean, that's what I do every day. My kids every single day have eggs, maybe some oatmeal, some kind of like meat protein and fruit, like that's breakfast every day. It's non-negotiable. And again, he hasn't seen a box of cereal. If I started his like journey with solids with, you know, lucky charms, of course he's gonna be like, oh, I don't want these eggs. 1 (34m 53s): Give me the sugar marshmallows for breakfast. Of course, right? So you have to kind of just take the things away. And it's not to say I haven't made missteps with diet. 'cause I'll have like these fig bars for example, and you're like, well they're Organic, they're at Whole Foods, they're not that bad. They still have like 20 plus grams of sugar in them, so they're not great. It's still very much a, a dessert. And then both of my kids, they would skip their meals to go to the pantry to get these fig bars. So I had to pretty much like wean them off of these and just say, we're not buying them anymore. So that way it's not a conversation. It's not like, oh, you can have one now or one later. It's just, don't have the food in the house and then watch your kid be a different kid. 0 (35m 33s): You're so right. It it, you know, it's, you gotta put an adult in charge of grocery shopping for sure. 1 (35m 39s): Yes. Maybe like order if you don't have childcare, do Instacart or Whole Foods delivers or whatever Publix delivers. And 'cause when you bring 'em with you, if you're, especially if you're going to like a regular grocery store that has all of these neon colors that are very much marketed to kids and you're like, all of the suites are at the, the checkout aisle, it's really hard to say no when they're grabbing and just putting stuff in the cart for you. So there's workarounds and they're not easy and some of them aren't cheap. But I think ultimately all of these things that seem like hurdles are going to be so much better for your family to where you're not medicating your small child. 'cause that's what it, it sounds like, oh my gosh, all of a sudden you end up there, but how many boys are put on something like Ritalin or Adderall because simply their, their routine is off. 1 (36m 24s): They're not getting enough sleep, they're watching too much screens, they're eating the wrong food, like you name the thing. So it's like, until you address all of these Foundational aspects of what you're kind of loading onto the kid, you shouldn't jump straight to a drug. 0 (36m 38s): Yeah, it's really, it's not as complex as you, you might think food preparation. But I wanted to address what you just said about the Ritalin, Adderall back in the day, it was always Ritalin. And I mistakenly joked with this mom who was telling me about the school wants to put my kid on Ritalin. And I said, well, do you think he has a Ritalin deficiency? You know, which right now is, you know, but she didn't think it was funny. She just said, I don't wanna put him on drugs, you know, is just okay, I get it. Yeah, I'm his only kidding. But I mean, it shows you how, how, you know, we could take things, but but yeah, kids don't, there's no such thing as a Ritalin deficiency or by the way, an Ambien deficiency or an aspirin deficiency, you can't be deficient in these medications. 0 (37m 28s): You, you mentioned you kind of equated some of these foods like Pop-Tarts or whatever. With with, with medication, they're actually poison. It's beyond medication and a lot of 'em, medication is poison too, but so, so one might serve the other, but, but yeah, they're po they're actually poisoned, they're neurotoxins if nothing else, and they disrupt the biome, the microbiome, which is your second brain, you know, you can't be healthy and happy when your brain, your other brain isn't working, you know, and it's just incredible. So we, we test the microbiome in every person, every person that's Foundational is look at the microbiome and so many people are what they call dysbiotic. 0 (38m 17s): So they've lost this balance between good and bad flora, bad flo's there for a reason should maybe 10, 15% of your total flora because it has to hover. You want a good immune system that's hovering and looking for trouble. But the rest of it, that, that healthy biota that's in there is for digestion and for the immune system and for all kinds of things that, that are very helpful. So you want a good strong ecology, which reminds me of, again, back to the sort of saving the planet days. We each have our own ecology inside. 0 (38m 57s): And man, I mean I'm doing stuff, you know, I got my desk full of stuff here, my desk stuff and my, all the kitchen counters are pretty much full and couple cabinets, full one we call the, the supplement graveyard. 1 (39m 14s): So Supplements supplements are tricky. There's so many, there's very little re regulation. You don't know what's actually in it. How do you spot a good supplement company one that is giving you what they're saying that they're giving you. You don't wanna spend $80 on a pill and it's really not doing anything for you. So do you have like three or four that are like your favorite? Everyone should be taking these, like for example, vitamin D or K or something like that. 0 (39m 44s): Yeah, well it's, it's actually really important to get it right and it's more important to understand what we mean when we say supplement. And the whole concept is that your nutrition, nutritional needs should come from food. So if we could get our hands on enough really good high quality Organic food, we, we'd be in better shape. You know? And then you could just supplement with the missing vitamins, vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids, antioxidants. And then there's herbal and some other phytonutrients and trace elements that, that you can enhance your diet with. 0 (40m 29s): So nutrition begins with diet and supplements can be used again to supplement for what's missing from food. It's hard to get your hands on a lot of really good food and it's expensive. I think it's worth the extra money on Organic food, especially just to avoid the toxins that are on non-organic food. You know, we go like to Sprouts or Whole Foods here in Southern California and only go to the Organic section. Like we just, anything that's not in your Organic vegetables or fruits, we just won't even touch it much as I want to sometimes, You know, but, but you know, you go, nope, it's not Organic can't do it. 0 (41m 12s): So you don't want the toxic burden from some of these things and, but after so, so, so the even Organic food though isn't grown in the most ideal. It's not grown. Like my grandfather's, I grew up in Canada, my grandfather's both grew, they used manure. They didn't use any artificial anything that I knew of. And, and so we, we ate really high mineral rich, vitamin rich, you know, and got our ate lots of, you know, fish, fatty fish, all this stuff. My mom just seemed to know, even back then, I'm 70, she's still living at 93, so we must have done something right. 1 (41m 56s): Oh, that's awesome. My grandma just turned 92. 0 (41m 59s): That's fantastic. See, so you don't wanna ruin that. You've got good genes. Don't ruin it by eating crap. So back to supplements, you know, get as much as you can from wholesome food. The less you eat outta bags or boxes, the better, not as as fresh as you can get it. But even the vegetables grown today, although they're Organic, they don't have the same amount. So you need to substitute. So supplement could really be substitute. You need more vitamins, more minerals, more essential fatty acids, antioxidants and phytonutrients and trace elements and things. 0 (42m 39s): And you know, they should be according to your metabolic type. It's another aspect. But for right now, just no, you can substitute for what's missing in food. But supplements can also be used to support somebody who's not feeling well. You know, they know they're not like they used to be. You feel like something's missing. I used to have all this energy, now I just wanna come home and drink. You know, or, or you need coffee all day to get through the day. You're self-medicating. So that's where a review, the, the labs can come in handy there, we look at the, the adrenals and the hormones and you see what's not what it used to be. 0 (43m 20s): And you can sort of, you can substitute for the vitamins and minerals, but you can support systems, you can support the adrenals and hormones, you can support digestion is critical because we don't have the HCL and the enzymes like we used to. They're not in the food and all this stuff. And you can also use the supplements to stimulate like the immune system. Like if you're going on a trip, how about taking some zinc along with you, some echinacea and some things would stimulate the immune system, give you little added protection. And finally you could actually use su supplements, just that general category of stuff on the shelves and pills and motion potions and powders and what have you. 0 (44m 7s): But you, you can treat yourself if you have parasites or bacteria, you know, these, there's all of the, some of them are a thousand year old recipes, anti parasite, antibacterial, antifungal, things like that. So you can self treat. So I've been cheating a bit 'cause I know the four S's of supplementation, it's the substitution we mentioned that the support of certain organs, the stimulation, and then the self-treatment. Like, hey, if you, you may not have, you may not need antibiotics, why not get a natural antimicrobial antifungal and try those first? They don't work. 0 (44m 47s): Yeah, you can go to the big guns if you need it. And I don't even blame someone for that. I'm not, what do you call it, a fanatic, you know, no, I, I will use drugs if, if that's what's called for. But a lot of times you just go with go with the natural stuff. If if you've run the labs, the natural stuff be very, very good. 1 (45m 12s): Yeah. I think that's always should be your start point. Like you shouldn't go straight for the, the abo. You know what I mean? So go for some That's what you said. 0 (45m 19s): Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. My kids misbehaving Ritalin. Yeah. 1 (45m 24s): Oh yeah, I, that one bugs me. And then I know so many parents, their kids are, they're on something, they're all boys too, but it's like, you can't say anything. It's, they made their decision and it's very hard to admit if you maybe made one that's not the best, the best one. 0 (45m 42s): You, you know what I think should make parents do. Mm, try it, go ahead, pop a couple Ritalin and see how you feel and then, then decide if you want your kid on that. I guarantee it. It would end, it would end the e epidemic because it doesn't feel good. It feels like you're on a drug. 1 (46m 1s): Well, of course. Yeah, 0 (46m 2s): Yeah. And you are, and kids people use it to get through college and stuff. I get that. It helps you study. And there's the, the, the problem is when you take a symptom and you make it disappear, you focus, you lose focus on the causal factors. Oh, that symptom's gone. Oh yeah, okay. Like let's take blood pressure. You know, people are on medication and it's known that after two years on certain medic, you, you're, you're at a much higher risk for cancer. 1 (46m 35s): Oh wow. 0 (46m 36s): By taking blood pressure, certain blood pressure, the sars, you know, look it up, it's all there. And you know, I told you earlier, I have a show called Science Matters that I do with Dr. Aaron Sho, great guy. And he'll present, oh, here's a study on this or that. And so we look at it and we try to analyze, well what's their point of view, which is to try to create a drug most of the time. And what's our point of view? Everybody's a study of one. There's no cohorts. I'm not that person, you know, and you know that in some of the studies they do a study of 10,000 people, only 10 died, you know, like only 10 people died. That's a good result for them. 0 (47m 17s): In our world. If, if one person died in your history, not from one test, but in, in your entire history as a natural Practitioner, one person died, you're, you're ruined. You know? And you would, you would also feel really bad and oh my God, you know what? So, so you get the point that like, those studies are, are, they're very scientific, but the rules are all made up by them. So what about our science of, you know, the, the evidence, the anecdotal stuff that adds up and the study of one, like each person in this lady, this is what happened. And that's reality. 0 (47m 58s): That's scientific. 1 (47m 59s): Yeah. We're also wildly different. And I think we, a lot of us think that getting old and aging, like you're supposed to feel like junk. Like you just slowly are supposed to start gaining weight. You're supposed to be less, like less, less sectional, less sexual wellness. Like at some point it's supposed to completely go away. And I have this conversation with my father-in-Law actually. And it's so funny because he's like, well, when you get older it's just, it's just not available. And he's not that old. And I was like, well, I know people that are in their eighties and they, their sexual relationship is still off the charts. 1 (48m 42s): Like they are, they're able to perform like they are healthy, they're vibrant and he doesn't believe me. So I'm like trying to like send him this stuff and I'm like, you can feel vibrant at any age. Like people are making full careers off of it. People are spending, you know, upwards of a quarter of a million dollars to enter into certain longevity programs into Increasing like health span and lifespan. So I guess is there, is there a place where you are supposed to just feel like junk? Or is that only supposed to kind of be right at the cliff before you fall off? 0 (49m 14s): Yeah, I have so many ways to kind of explain this, but symptoms aren't the problem. They're the result of the problem. So, you know, I was back in the day in the chiropractic office, they talked about life is like a, not like a, a light where you could turn the, the intensity of the light down. They call it a s stat that that'll turn the light down. That's not how life is supposed to be when you hit 50, are you gonna accept that, oh well we're gonna turn it down a little bit. You can't have as much fun or enjoy, you know, and oh, more when you get to be 80 and off at 82 or something. 0 (49m 59s): So it's more like a, you're supposed to burn like a candle. A candle is the same brightness. When you light it as when it goes all the way down to the bottom, the same brightness, that life energy and that life value and quality and things, then it flickers and goes out, which is would be fine with me, you know, to die in your sleep's. Kind of the what old people want. My mom again is 93 and I visited her at Thanksgiving and, and she talked to my sister and I and my brother-in-Law. She and my wife was there and she's like, I, I'm 93, I want one more boyfriend before, I'm like, I don't mom, talk to them about, you know, I want outta this conversation. 0 (50m 47s): But yeah, 93 and she want, I just want one more boyfriend before I go. Good for her. And my dad died at 85, so it's been a while. Yeah. So I'm very pleased about that. And you know, I'm married to someone much younger and I could just say we, we work on everything and having it be good. And so you're not like that, don't accept that. I'll get, get a little more scientific on it. There's a book by Roy Woolford, md, he was the nutritionist. He, he teaches nutrition at University of Southern California, but he was the nutritionist for biosphere, which were two experiments they did at the turn of the century where they put people into a bubble and they had to grow their own food as if you were on Mars. 0 (51m 37s): It was kinda like a Mars experiment. And he was the nutritionist responsible for the foods and things. So he wrote a book, Roy Woolford called The 120 Year Diet. And in that book, I, he he, he did amazing like real experiments. He's kind of the modern day Francis Pottinger mostly working with animals, but he wrote this book, 120 year diet, which this'll make sense. So you most people you hear over the hill, right? That expression, you, you mentioned that kind of in your father-in-law, you know the over the hill thing. Well when does that happen? When do you Well, 50. 0 (52m 17s): It didn't happen to me. I felt I was still doing jujitsu at 64, you know, and I got injured so I couldn't continue, but I let some 23-year-old beat me up. But the funny thing is that he said that you should go up to about 40 and that's when you know catabolic, anabolic starts to become a challenge to keep balanced. If you can keep the catabolic breaking down in the anabolic balance, you should be able to go from 40 to 80 before the natural sort of degradation. You know, no one gets out alive, you know that, right? The body is going to break down. 0 (52m 58s): You're gonna get catabolic to the point where you can't, you lose all vital reserve. And so, but that shouldn't happen until you're about 80 according to Roy Wolfer. And it's a great study and I got 10 years to go before I find out. 1 (53m 13s): Oh that's ama that's amazing though. So if you are, let's say you are, I don't know, 50 anywhere from in that range, that 50 to 80 range and maybe you've been neglecting your health, your diet, your workout routine, and you feel like you are on the dimmer like you are over the hill and that you are losing that light. Is there a way to go from that to getting back to the candle? That's 0 (53m 37s): What we teach. That's, that's what the labs and the natural protocols designed to just restore and return to balance. Now everyone can get whacked. I just wanna tell you things like that happen in 2020 with the, the big C word thing, you know, that was unfortunate and it taught us all that you're vulnerable. Even a really healthy person can get whacked. But you can do things to mitigate, you know, return to health and try not to get it again. You know, like just really try to keep, and I can recall periods for 10 years where I never even had a cold. 0 (54m 17s): And again, you do get old, remember the catabolic anabolic balance is hard, harder for some people than others. Genetic potential does come into it, you know, and I don't, you know, you can't change your parents or grandparents, but, but you can do things to mitigate the D-R-E-S-S is the only way that I know. And it's proven with tens of thousands of people to have worked. 1 (54m 45s): Now is it more complicated if the issue is autoimmune versus, you know, something that's like maybe dietary or that can be fixed with just meditation, stress regulation, something like that? Yeah, 0 (54m 58s): Absolutely. Could that, that adds a layer of complexity. You know, it's, and it's, I don't know if this sounds goofy, but it's very complex. If you study the human body, you'll never be done. You could read every scientific article from now till, till till next Christmas. At next Christmas. You'll be 50 years behind in your reading. You know what I mean? So, so you, you can't read enough. You can, it's very complex, but it doesn't have to be complicated for the average person. And so, you know, Einstein said he's a pretty smart guy. 0 (55m 38s): He said if you can't explain it to a five-year-old, you don't know it well enough, whatever your topic is. So, you know, I don't have any five-year-old clients right now, but I do try to break it down and speak in a language where people can get it and apply it to their own lives. And so the answer is you absolutely can get in control. Remember that was my very first concern when I first started when I switched from environmental and conservation to, to health and wellness. It was what's going on with these people? You know, like why are they putting their health in someone else's hands and having lost that control? 0 (56m 22s): And they basically had their ladders on the wrong wall. They're looking to medical, which is a disease treatment model. And so that's the ladder. Well first, you know, I'll, I'll go to a doctor and you get the little prescription and pretty soon you climb that ladder. Well the next thing up is surgery. After that it's, you know, chemo and after that. So you don't wanna have your ladder on that wall. That's the disease wall you want. And there was no prominent wall for me to get our clients and patients onto. We had to develop that wall that became the lab work running, you know, five labs in every person and following the dress protocol and adding in the health coaching, we were doing that before they, the word health coaching was even heard of. 0 (57m 8s): No one mentioned it. There was personal coaching and executive coaching at the, you didn't hear health coaching till about 12 years ago. And yet we've been doing it for 12 years already at that time. 1 (57m 23s): So have you seen, this might be, oh, an odd question, but have you seen someone that maybe they're doing a lot of trauma work or EMDR therapy, things like that and they already had some really questionable autoimmune disorders. You know, like sometimes doctors will just throw one at a patient because they don't know what it is and the accumulation of the symptoms kind of sound like MS or it kind of sounds like sarcoidosis or it kind of sounds like fibromyalgia. So they just kind of give that label to somebody and then that fluctuates over, you know, their treatment and they're seeing these professionals and then they start doing trauma work and all of a sudden their symptoms start getting a lot worse. 1 (58m 4s): Have you seen anything like that? 0 (58m 7s): I've seen them get better and worse. And so it's an important aspect. Remember everybody's a study of one, so you're looking for that, that causal factor. And here's what I know about causal factors and it's why I gave up the word. This'll be heresy in our business, but I gave up the term root cause here's why. There's never just one, there's always multiple root causes or causal factors. The other really important consideration I don't hear anywhere else is that those causal factors are having an effect on each other. 0 (58m 49s): And you can't singularly measure every interaction. It's hard to keep track of 'em. Actually, that's why I just used the term metabolic chaos. And back to the trauma, you know, one of the causal factors could be something that happened and it could actually, this is a new research out of University of California San Diego, that that causal factor doesn't even have to be there anymore. So while you're looking for root causes, you may never find that one 'cause it's gone. But the downward spiral that it created is still working. And so that's just how the body works. 0 (59m 31s): So if it's some trauma that, hey, that happened long time ago, it the, I don't wanna use the word resonance, but the, the metabolic effect that it initiated, the downward spiral that initiated could still be there. So how do you deal with that? Well, there are people who, if you haven't interviewed Amy a Pigon, have you? Do you know who I'm talking about? No, it's A-A-I-M-I-E. Amy a pian. A-P-I-G-I-A-N-A. PG pgn or a pig. She does, she's an md good friend of mine who talks about the biology of trauma. 1 (1h 0m 18s): Ooh. 0 (1h 0m 18s): Yeah. And I think she'd be a great guest for you. 'cause she could explain it better than me. That's called a referral. 1 (1h 0m 26s): No, that's, I appreciate it. That sounds fascinating. Yeah. I have someone close to me and they've been doing a lot of trauma work and they just get, they keep getting worse and worse and worse. And the way I look at it, just based off of the things I've read, is potentially, it's kind of just like doing this dump right into her system every time she discovers something or unloads something or revisits something. And it's creating chaos in her system. So it's like maybe take a break. Yeah. Get back to a baseline before you keep revisiting stuff. That's really hard. 0 (1h 0m 56s): Yeah, exactly. So, so this metabolic chaos could be looked at. If you took a very calm pool of water and you threw in eight stones, you just throw a handful of stones, each stone would create its own ring, right? And those rings are going to hit each other and cause this rippling where now you don't even know where the stones were thrown, which stones they were, how many stones, which is the first stone that hit the, and things. So that's how I look at root causes or causal factors. They all happened or, or continuously happening and they're causing all of this chaos. 0 (1h 1m 42s): And it's, and here's the guy I teach a course in Functional lab work. Like that's what I do. And so from a guy who teaches a course in functional lab work, there isn't enough labs. There's no way to test all of it. I wish there was, you know, we're, I don't know if we'll ever have the device they used in Star Trek, you know, the thing the di even then they just gave the guy some food up thing. It was so allopathic, but, but cool looking. But no, there's no, there's no way to test everything. That's why this back to the Foundational Labs, hormone immune digestion, detoxification, energy production and nervous system balance. 0 (1h 2m 26s): You could add in oxidative stress there. There's other tests. But those, those few are what I think that that's the result of 10 years of trying to help people with the original intent of, I'm gonna be the last person they need to see. 1 (1h 2m 43s): Oh, well this has been fascinating. You are a wealth of knowledge. I really appreciate you for coming on the show. And that's it for this week's episode. Before you close this out, make sure that you leave that five star review and type a little something nice. And maybe I'll read it on the next episode. And if you wanna support the podcast, you can go to Chatting with candace.com, sign up for our Patreon where you get early access to episodes. You get to ask questions. I'll give you some sneak peeks at guest, or you can click that little link that says Buy me a coffee. It goes right back into the show. Helps me with editing, getting guests here, all of that. And once again, thank you so much. I couldn't do this without you. Love you all. Bye everybody.