#118 Michael Malice - What is Anarchy? Sex Robots, Artificial Wombs, and Man or Bear?

0 (0s): I think that women tend to get loud because men are bigger and scarier and more capable of doing damage. The 1 (6s): Power that women have is much more sinister because if that psychologically abusive mom says certain things, they're gonna be in your head for years and they're gonna you up really, really badly. If you 0 (17s): Simply say it will get rid of porn, it's gonna show up in another way. Whether it's gambling or lying. 1 (22s): 5% of the guys get like all the matches and that's causing more and more dudes to be in cells. Like any country, when you have young males fault testosterone, nothing to do, it's not gonna go into a positive 0 (30s): Direction. We are now in this place where monogamy, the factory setting, you cannot have a conversation around anything else. 1 (38s): If the girl brings up Polly. That to me, and I think to a lot of guys, means she's got one foot 0 (44s): Out the door. I think in a way, if you have this idea that this person is 1 (48s): Yours, right, 0 (49s): I think that that starts making you slowly put a cage around them. 1 (53s): This is kind of a slippery slope and I, I can't wrap my head around it personally. 0 (1m 0s): Michael, welcome to the show. Thank you. It's a long time in the waiting for me. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I followed you for a while. I was a really big fan of just like your mind and how you kind of relentlessly went after people. I just love that 'cause I think I don't have that in me or I haven't like found it all the way, so I have a deep respect for what you do. 1 (1m 19s): Okay. 0 (1m 19s): Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, 1 (1m 23s): That's my line. 0 (1m 25s): What is the welcome? Oh, you're welcome. 1 (1m 31s): She's flustered already. This is gonna be a long hour for Candace. 0 (1m 34s): We're 10 seconds in, so I feel like I've learned a lot just in this like little research hole from this morning. Did you know that you're coined as the Sigma male? 1 (1m 48s): What do you mean? Whoa. Hold, hold on, hold on hold. It's on big. Hold on. I know what a sigma male is. I 0 (1m 52s): Didn't, 1 (1m 53s): Sigma male is like the highest compliment you can give a guy, is it? Yes. So how am I the Sigma male? 0 (2m 0s): So it is a clip and it has a lot of views and it it, I don't know if it's the comments or in the actual title, but it was like Michael Malice in all caps, the sigma male. And I was like, what's a sigma male? 'cause you always hear alpha and beta. So I had to look it up and I was like, it's the highest. It's a huge 1 (2m 16s): Compliment. It's the highest compliment you could give a guy. Wow. Well that's, that's very flattering. Yeah. 0 (2m 21s): 'cause like you think you wanna be alpha, but then 1 (2m 23s): No, no, no, no. If you are basic you wanna be alpha 0 (2m 25s): What's so what's the difference? 1 (2m 26s): So you know how like if you're like a basic girl, you wanna be blonde with big tits in a skinny waist, but you and you know like models that look doesn't go anywhere because it's very generic, it's very soulless, it's very kind of cookie cutter. Whereas like a lot of people who are like you were considered most beautiful women in the world is sexy in the world. There's gonna be something a little bit off about them or something a little unusual. Like you've got your kind of quasi Asian eyes. So people are gonna be attracted to that. Right. Because it's gonna be eye catching. So Alpha male is, first of all, it's such a, you know, Margaret Thatcher has this line about having powers like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. 1 (3m 7s): Mm. So when people like have shirts that say alpha, like by definition you're not an alpha male because I spent a lot of time with like UFC fighters and I know people who are like Navy Seals and like, you know, Rogan's bodyguards. These, these guys are by definition like alpha, like they can kill anyone earth, their bare hands. They're not walking around with shirts that say alpha. They're not posturing. 'cause they know their power. They know their strength and it's like a German shepherd. Like if it's your friends of the German Shepherd, it's really, really fun. And then when that switch turns on you're like, oh shit. Like things just got very, very real. So they know how to turn it on, turn it off. Because being alpha is having that sense of power and control, which means you don't always have to have a chip on your shoulder, like someone who's insecure or beta as our hero, Jesse Lee Peterson would say. 1 (3m 54s): But a sigma male I is from my definition and since I apparently am the Sigma male, I get to define it, is someone who is like a lone wolf who is comfortable wherever he goes but isn't necessarily leading any necess like troop or pack. So it's this sense of like solitary male power. So if someone wants to call me a single male, that's the highest to me compliment. 0 (4m 21s): Yeah. I, at first I was like, oh this is probably not gonna be good. But like you said, it's a huge compliment. It's not being affected with the opinions of others or necessarily wanting that like obvious accolade or status of leader. It's like you are just again, okay, wherever you are, it was a Glenn Beck clip and I don't know who was yelling at you, but someone was yelling at you and you were just sitting there just so centered and you're like, I could raise my voice if I wanted to too. That's 1 (4m 46s): Such a weak sign of weakness. I was, you know, maybe it comes from reacting to my dad who is a a, a very, very smart guy, but he would be the kind of person who like if he's upset he would like start, turn up the radio in the car, speed up or start slamming cabinets. And at a certain age I was like, this is how children, you know, demonstrate their anger. It's also kind of very womanly in the negative sense of the word. So I, maybe it's my Soviet blood, but to me if I'm upset or angry, like it's gonna be coldness and like okay, like it's gonna get really like more like a, like a, like a rattlesnake then it's gonna be like a chimp flinging poop around the cage and dropping his self-control. 0 (5m 26s): Yeah. 'cause it's kinda like what the little dogs, right? Like they're the loudest. Right, exactly. And they have to posture because that's the only tool that they have. Right. And I think that's what, like you said, it's very womanly and that's probably gonna be like, oh well he hates women or they hate women. But I think that women tend to get loud and like they kind of flex, especially when they're arguing with the man because men are bigger and scarier and more capable of doing damage. So it's, that's the tools that we have in our toolbox. I can't actually like win with physicality so I have to use this other thing. 1 (5m 54s): Yeah. But that's, I think that's really incorrect because if you, anyone listening just thinks about it and if you have like two abusive parents and one is a dad who's like physically to a point, right? Obviously if they're not breaking your legs, if a dad's like physically abusive slaps you around once in a while, not to downplay that or a mom who's psychologically abusive, like which one is going to, would you rather have those bruises heal? You know, the guy's a jerk and you can move on. But you know, if you, that power that women have is much more sinister because if that psychologically abusive mom says certain things, they're gonna be in your head for years and they're gonna fuck you up really, really badly. And it's a lot easier to heal from physical wounds than they are for mental wounds. So I don't agree that I, I know women go to the loudness, but I think they do have a technique which is psychological and that is much scarier than I think what some just big do just shoving her into a wall again, which is not to downplay that. 0 (6m 47s): Yeah. I mean assuming that the levels are there, but I think if you take a woman at her worst and even like someone who's a master manipulator, like you're the, you're still not, well maybe that's not true. I was gonna say, your life isn't at risk, which with a man, it's like very, it can very much be sure, 1 (7m 2s): But Sure, that's fair. 0 (7m 3s): Yeah. Oh, so when it comes to like those archetypes and I feel like they tend to be really overplayed. Like you have to be this one thing, especially within relationship and I get it a lot too because people will, you know, come at my husband and say like, obviously he's a beta or he's a cuck, or he's like these things because he married me. Right? So how could anyone who's secured do these things? 1 (7m 27s): But I don't understand that thinking You 0 (7m 29s): Don't, you don't. So it's like you're 1 (7m 31s): His trophy. I don't like, I don't get it. 0 (7m 33s): Well some people would say, what, what kind of trophy? Right? Because there's this idea that if you are a woman that loses your V virtue in any kind of way, you just lost all inherent value. So like what trophy 1 (7m 46s): I I I, I mean I think that's kind of crazy because if a woman is desired by people there's clearly status to it and indisputably and if a woman has the, like this is something I was looking forward to talking about. 'cause I, we texted yesterday when I grew up, like my ultimate role model was Camille Pia who is like this very provocative thinker. And I think it was Rush Limbaugh who described her as she's being so crazy that even the other feminists thinks she's crazy. So she comes out his very sixties kind of context and her point was that so much of recent, or not recent, I'd say the last a hundred years. 1 (8m 28s): No, wait, that's completely wrong. I don't, I don't know where she would start it. But the point is, a lot of western civilization is designed to mask and denigrate the power of sexuality, especially female sexuality. And her first book, which I think was her PhD thesis, which became a, or dissertation, became a huge bestseller. It was called Sexual Persona and it was art from like Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson. And her whole point is that, you know, sexuality is something that humans have. She's a very much a Freudian, which is where kind of where I part company with her. But human beings have to grapple with sexuality and the power of sexuality. And if you put a shit underground, it's not gonna vanish. It's just gonna come up often in quote unquote perverted ways. So she so true. 1 (9m 10s): But I think what you have is kind of what I was talking. And so she really put on a pedestal like sex workers, including with prostitutes like porn stars and things like that. Because her whole point is, this is, and again I'm, I'm paraphrasing her and I haven't remember this, these specific points in like since the nineties. But her point is that as I, well I can remember it, is that these women who embody female sexuality are like the acme of female power because you, I mean when you turn, I, I know a, I'm guessing Ava is a switch, right? And you can turn her around when you want to. But it's kinda like what I was talking about earlier with those MMA fighters, when you're hanging around with these guys, like they love it when you bust their chops. 1 (9m 51s): It's not you they, they know male banter. There's no possibility if I'm clowning one of these dudes except for the ones who have a screw loose and there's a few that very few of them that it's gonna get violent. That's not gonna like what's the worst? Maybe I'll get like put in a little hold, but they're not gonna actually start hitting me or getting right. Crazy. Like that's not a thing. But the same time if like someone comes into the house like I'm really glad they're there 'cause it's gonna be resolved in seconds. 'cause they're like, they have this, this capacity within them. And I think you and people like you when you want to, you know, sexuality is such an animal part of the brain that it's basically like you can make your hand almost like intangible and go in someone's head and start moving things around. Mm. And they're not gonna know what to do with themselves and you know how to do that. 1 (10m 34s): And I think when anyone has this kind of superpower, a lot of people just like the X-Men are like disturbed by it. 'cause they also wanna, this kind of speaks to like pickup artist theory, because I mentioned this in my book, then you write like you pick up artist theories, oh it's ridiculous. This is absurd. This never works. And also it's so sinister and so effective that like it has to be banned. So you have these two contradictory things. So it's this kind of thing that like, oh no, you know, these women have no value. They've, they've lost their virtue, but at the same time it's like, you know, she can, even if she can't take your guy, she could at least make him think, feel things he doesn't wanna feel. So I think there's this kind of dichotomy that westerners are a little uncomfortable with. 0 (11m 16s): Yeah, there's a lot of like opposing like truths that get pushed. So it's that it's super addictive but that it also causes ed and then you can't, right. So it's like you can't have both of those things at the same time because then how are they consuming the entertainment? Well rug 1 (11m 30s): Burn 0 (11m 32s): There. Yeah. And then there's also this idea that desirability is actually like, it's, it's great and it is powerful, but it's second to being loved and that you can't be loved if you're desirable. There's, so there's like this element that you can be sexual, but in that you're basically wording off any, anything deep, anything meaningful and anything loving because like you're using something that is quote easy. 1 (11m 56s): Well I think that is a, again, I'm gonna go back to Polly on this. I think this is a very disingenuous view of sexuality because there's a difference between someone who is easy and brings the guy home in the first date and someone who knows how to kind of do this and have him always following her and never, I mean you hear these stories of these like strippers in New York where they get some hedge fund guy to fall in love with them and he's dropping like he's buying her house and they never sleep with him. So like that's the power of sexuality without being like, you know, colloquially called a hoe. Right? So she knows how to seduce and how to manipulate, which could be a very negative thing, but she could also knows how to make her man feel loved and appreciated and like, you know, being in the matrix. 0 (12m 42s): Yeah. So I guess it's safe to say that you don't think like sex and porn are crumbling society and it's like this blanket, I'm not 1 (12m 51s): A wrong big porn consumer. I don't think it's a big IIII see how can something be, it's like saying food is wrong. Like you can't, you can't have a society that sex you have to reproduce, right? So in and of itself it's something is necessary and everywhere it has to have some purpose and we have to grapple with it as human beings. I do think it is a concern when young men are just like have porn in the brain all the time and sexuality in the brain all the time. And I don't think that is it's, it's not the heroin's fault that you're always taking the heroin, right? Even though I think that's kind of a weak analogy 'cause it's not addictive in the same sense as being a drug addict. But if you have an issue with pornography or if you are consuming pornography that you find just disturbing or shameful and there's certainly plenty of that and I think a lot of that, that shame like some, it's really crazy stuff. 1 (13m 44s): But I don't think it's the product's fault necessarily or primarily I think it's like, okay, why do you feel this need? Why are you stuck in these loops? You know, you can don't even have to put in a porn context. It's like look at a hoarder like what is causing you to keep getting more and more stuff into your house, right? So when people fall into these loops, it's easy to, but it's a similar situation when you have these kind of obsessive repetitive behaviors, there's something deeper that's causing it and it's not the literal subject of the behavior that's at fault. And I also, I'm sorry, just one more thing. Yeah, I like you and I talked about, I also think it's kind of crazy to reduce all porn to like, like incest or like put in a woman in me grinder as opposed to like some kind of like titillating like softer stuff. 1 (14m 30s): It's not the same. 0 (14m 31s): No, no there is a wide variety and I think we always focus on like the really dirty bad thing because we wanna make an example and then if you have this aversion to it, then there's no re requirement to make the industry better because it should just be banned. It should just be illegal instead of trying to actually clean it up. So you have these people that are posturing, like they actually care about these young women and they wanna make a safe space for them, but really they just don't want it legal at all because you do have the availability to induce regulations and make sure that maybe you have like a safety coach on. It's crazy to me because you have, I don't know what the exact title is, but when you're making a mainstream film, you have like a love coach or like a, an intimacy coach that comes on and she makes sure that everyone's boundaries are kind of respected and everything's above board. 0 (15m 18s): If there's gonna be a love making scene, okay and you have it for a scene where they're not actually having sex, but in the industry where you're actually having sex that doesn't exist, that blows my mind. And then you're left in this situation where you have a female performer that signs off and says, yes I consented to everything. But what they don't tell you is that there's a room full of mostly men and there can be a ton of pressure. It's monopolized. So if you piss off one company, I mean like most of the good companies are monopolized and then you don't really wanna be working with like the small dodgy ones. So if you piss off one company, you're not gonna work again. I mean that happened to me like near the end of my career is I pissed off one company and I was literally blacklisted for a very long time. 0 (15m 58s): So that's a real thing. So how can we trust that all of these consent forms are actually consenting? So instead of saying all of it is exploitive, it's not, it's like how can we make it safer instead of just saying I have an aversion for it because I have it integrated in my sexuality 'cause I have all of this shame. So rather than look at the plank in my eye, I'm gonna point out the splinter in yours. Do I actually wanna create a safe industry or do you just not like it? And there's 1 (16m 21s): Also this kind of, you know, people understand that banning alcohol didn't cause alcohol consumption to decrease banning guns certainly is another example of this. So I think when people say porn should be banned, they really mean porn should be consumed less or not at all. But these are not synonymous concepts. So if they wanna say let's focus, let's have people consume less porn, which I'm, I have no problem with it for sure, me too. Well what are the mechanisms like what are the steps you're taking to doing that? Like certain the dating apps have that kind of, what is it? Distribution, I forgot there's a term for it where it's like, like 5% of the guys get like all the matches and that's causing more and more dudes to be in cells. Like any country, when you have young males full testosterone, nothing to do, it's not gonna go into a positive direction. 1 (17m 2s): You see this in the Middle East, you see this in, you know, Japan like in all these other places. So that's like, but people don't want to ask those questions. Also so much of our culture has become feminist and feminist eyes that any concern with male issues is just denigrated out of hand. And it's just like men are not allowed to have problems or you're supposed to sneer at men who have problems at the same time. Yeah. When they, they're supposed to be encouraged to express their feelings only be to be called the worst names in, in, in the book. So I, I think there's a lot there. I certainly don't have any answers at all. But you know, this is you, you can't pretend this isn't something. The the other thing that, there's a book I read many years ago with Wendy McElroy called Triple XA Woman's Right to Pornography and the point she made, and this is the kind of thing where people just roll their eyes, but if you think about it for five seconds that porn can be a tool for people. 1 (17m 49s): People in long-term relationships just give them ideas. Like let's do some, like you saw this, I was really pleased to see this even like modern family where they do this every year on their anniversary they do this role play thing where they sit at a bar and the husband and wife each pretend they have just met and they're this different character and they characters get crazier and crazier and then they go back to one of their rooms. Right? But that's like something fun and innocent. Yeah. But it's like after a while if you're sleeping with the same person, you're gonna know each other's bodies. It's gonna become chore. So porn could be a mechanism for people to keep those monogamous relationships going. 0 (18m 21s): I agree so much. And I've said something similar and I was just on Alex Stein show and he's like, well how many relationships have you ruined? How many marriages have you ruined? I go zero. I said it was something very close to zero. I tried to word it in a way that wasn't so like duh. But I was like, well where's personal accountability in here? And it's just like you were saying, this is a symptom of something much deeper and if you simply say we'll get rid of porn, it's gonna show up in another way, whether it's gambling or lying or I don't know what, what you're gonna do on your time to like fill that compulsion. But there's a deeper rooted issue here. And the thing is, is you don't wanna look at it 'cause you don't want that risk of, it may be the relationship not working. So like let's just blame this one thing because it's easy and it's very easy to get behind because most people don't support the idea of pornography or open sex or I anything atypical. 0 (19m 7s): I 1 (19m 7s): Also think there's very little space in our culture and in relationships for people to talk about sexual needs and desires. Like hey let's try this, let's try that. There's all this fear of judgment, like what if we break it, break up and then she or he starts saying that I like this or that. 0 (19m 21s): I've never even thought of that. 1 (19m 23s): Yeah. So like people are scared to ask for what they want thinking they're gonna be judged. So I think it's just important for you know, any kind of like healthy sexual relationship to be like, Hey, I may not be into it but like let me hear it. You know? So, and I think, you know, Polly, again going back to her, 'cause she's like basically the person I get my views and sexuality from, you know, she always talks about how so much of, you know, our view of sexuality are skewed to accommodating what I now call awful affluent white female liberals. And this kind of like, I'm gonna have a slut walk, but how dare you look at my boobs, you know, like I'm a lady and it's just like you can't really, this is such an insincerity to it. Like yes you can dress however you want but own your sexuality instead of pretending it's something to be ashamed of or that the man should be ashamed of finding your, you know, half naked body desirable. 1 (20m 9s): So I, I think there's this kind of, you know, you know, weird thing where you're not, you know, with these kind of these certain like feminist types, like first of all a lot of them are gonna be closet freaks, right? And so they're in and of themselves, which is proven Yeah. Uncomfortable with their own kind of weirder sexuality. But then the guy, you know, we live in a space just broadly speaking, where men are will receive pushback for advocating for their own desires and interests. 0 (20m 39s): Like it's a selfish in a way Yeah. 1 (20m 41s): If you do it, yeah. It's like you're, what's wrong with you? Blah, blah blah. 0 (20m 45s): No, it's 1 (20m 46s): Sometimes you just gotta gotta choke a bitch. Right? 0 (20m 49s): And you know what, surprisingly a lot of women do like that, but they, 1 (20m 54s): They can't, they don't wanna 0 (20m 55s): Ask for it. Yeah, yeah. And then there's like how, what pressure? But it's weird 1 (20m 58s): If your pressure's here just not here. 0 (20m 60s): It's weird how uncomfortable even with long-term relationships that people can't have around pleasure and sex and what they want. And then you have these women, I'm reading this book right now and it's called Come As You Are, I dunno if you've heard of it. So it's like, it's really big in like the female sexuality space and it's this se I think she's a professor and also maybe pr a clinical PR practitioner. And she's talking about these women that are in their fifties that don't even know their anatomy. They've never experienced orgasm, but they have all of these kids. And there's still, and people will push on this and say that this isn't true, but like there's still so much stigma about the idea of a woman being able to have an a good experience, right? Like it's, if it's not for her husband, if it's not for kids, then we don't really talk about it. 0 (21m 42s): And they're like, well what about all the OnlyFans? I think that's an exception. I think still most women are very uncomfortable in their sexuality. And then in reading this book, there's like all of these layers, like these subtle layers that are definitely built in that are creating this like the slut shaming and all of that. I 1 (21m 59s): Learned it's also, it's also very much gay kept by other women. Yes. It's not the men who are doing the slut shaming off. It's like I'm women, I'm showing your your comments. And I have other people, friends of mine who are like, you know, use their, are professional good looking or sexual and they're co it's the women who are the first to, to be just tell them how disgusting and and horrifying they are and they should kill themselves. 0 (22m 19s): Right. Because I don't know if I believe the, the theory isn't it, it's like it's raising the basement. So it's saying like this is now the requirement to get a mate. So if I'm out there and I'm being more liberal with my sex, then you have to be more liberal if you want a partner. Otherwise you can't compete. But I feel like that's silly 'cause there's this idea that anyone that's in my like previous profession or anyone that's in any atypical relationship, it's that they're not in control of their sexuality and that they're kind of chaotic and they're just gonna consume whatever's in front of them and that they're not practicing discipline. And just because you're not monogamous doesn't mean you're not disciplined. It also doesn't mean that you're not devoted to whoever you're with. There's so many different kinds of relationships. And there's this other book that I've been reading, it's called The Way We Never Were and I actually almost threw it away because I was reading it back. 0 (23m 2s): Oh I read, yes. Have you, you 1 (23m 3s): Read it, it talks about how the nuclear fan was so myth. Yeah, right. 0 (23m 6s): And it's debunking so much. But I was like, this is gonna be super woke. I don't know why I got it. No, it's not woke at all. Yeah. And it's so good. It is very factual. It 1 (23m 13s): Drives me crazy that book. It doesn't, the book doesn't run crazy. It drives me crazy when I talk to conservatives how the nuclear family is this like Hollywood invention from the fifties. And if you wanna look at history, it's the extended family and they say it's the same thing. It's not the same thing at all. The nuclear family's mom, dad, two kids and a dog and, and in the house. And that's a very dangerous thing because if mom or dad a drunk, abusive, there's nowhere to go. Or if you have the extended family uncles around cousins, around grandma's around, there's always someone for a backup. And that's really a much better approach. Grandma watches the kids instead of putting 'em in a government school or having some caretaker who you never know who this person's gonna be, what's gonna happen on their, on their eyes. So I'm such a fan of, I am a fan of the conservative idea of let's look at what looked historically, but their idea of the nuclear family being the historical basis is completely a myth. 1 (24m 2s): And the extended family is the way to go. 0 (24m 4s): Right? And that's, I was doing this homework assignment, it was on logical fallacies, which was really fun. And that was one of the top 10 was reverting back to the way things always have been or saying like historically this has been what is true tradition and that you can't look at that because that is constantly evolving. So like traditional in what way? Like which, which decade are we kind of talking about? And the whole idea about monogamy being like the way that we have evolved to be is there's so much pushback on that alone in that the way we never were, she was explaining that the average marriage wasn't more than 10 years traditionally. 'cause one or both people would die. So we are now in this place where monogamy is the factory setting. 0 (24m 45s): You cannot have a conversation around anything else. But in 10 years is now supposed to be 60. And then we look at this model and we have, I don't know what the divorce rate is and it's probably high thirties, low forties if you take out like the serial Yeah, yeah. Like divorcees, which is still pretty high. So you're like, well this cookie cutter model is also not working, so why can't I have a conversation and consciously choose what's right for me. And maybe you end up at monogamy, but that's gonna be so much more pure and like a higher level. Like you're playing at a better game than I'm just doing this because society told me this is the right and the only way 1 (25m 20s): I I I can't, I I, but the same time, like if the girl brings up Polly Polly, that to me, and I think to a lot of guys means she's got one foot out the door. 0 (25m 32s): Well that, that's one thing is Polly is one. And then you have Dan Savage calls like Monogamish. What's 1 (25m 39s): That mean? 0 (25m 40s): It's like you would be very intentional about the boundaries within your relationship and everyone's is gonna be extremely different. But it's, to my understanding, it's more just sexual. Like you can't entertain a relationship outside of the relationship. 1 (25m 52s): That's that. Okay. I, I know this works for some people, but it's not like you can control for sure if you develop feelings. So you might go into it, okay, I'm just gonna have some fun. But if you click with someone and you're having fun with them, how's that not gonna develop feelings of intimacy. And I know I had Jeffrey Miller on my show, his, his twin, I love him poly. And he's, you know, he looks at this scientifically and just understands this lifestyle and a lot of things he was saying, and I don't judge, but it just was alien to how I'm wired because he says it's very common in this space when people hook up with somebody, they get that like some kind of attraction. Like, you know, and you have to understand it's not real and you have to stick to your primary. And I'm like, this just seems like a lot of math for, and also like, it it's also kind of insincere 'cause like if you're gonna go down this road that it's okay to sleep with other people, why isn't it okay to be have romantically intimate with other people? 1 (26m 46s): Because I have friends that I love like ride or die, but it's not just one and I don't never gonna have to choose between one or the other. So this is kind of a slippery slope and I can't wrap my head around it personally. 0 (26m 57s): I think it comes down to like availability and complexity. Complexity. So you have to take a snapshot of your life and what do you want for your future. So there's this thing that Jamie Wheel talks about, you know, Jamie Wheel, I think you'd really like him. He wrote his most recent book is Recapture the Rapture, but he's just kinda like an intellect and bestselling author like yourself. But he, he says like, you can have one of three things and I think it's, you can have a lifelong partner, a purpose, like a really passionate reason that you're here, like almost dharmic kids and a paramor and you can't have all of those, you have to nix one of them. And he's never seen anyone successfully at the same time have all of those things. 0 (27m 39s): So I think when you're looking at it, it's, for some people it is way too much. Just like you said, like there's a lot of math here, there is a lot of math there and there's also a lot of emotions and there's a lot of undoing and like taking off these layers that have kind of been put on you. So if you don't wanna do that, I get it. But I guess it just goes back to getting down to first principles of like, why do you wanna be monogamous? And so many people do that out of like a possessive way. Yes. And not a healthy way. So it's not to get people to break the system by any means, it's just like examine it a little bit so that you can consciously make that choice. 1 (28m 11s): O okay. 0 (28m 12s): You know what I mean? 1 (28m 13s): Not really. No, I I mean I, I don't, I I am, I'm all for property rights. So I, I think possessiveness is a good thing. 0 (28m 24s): I think in a way, if you have this idea that this person is yours, 1 (28m 27s): Right, 0 (28m 29s): I think that that starts making you slowly put a cage around them and they're going to do what they're going to do. I think it's like a false sense of security and safety and commitment. It's, if you aren't allowed to go out to the bar with your friends past a certain time, well 1 (28m 42s): That's very different. Okay. Yeah. 0 (28m 44s): Well it's, that is possessive. 'cause that's my person. If you're my person, I, no, but you 1 (28m 47s): Still, you still trust them 0 (28m 50s): If you would for some people. Yeah. So what would you call the other thing? 1 (28m 54s): Well, I, I, paranoia, I, I mean, or I mean that's, that's, if I have a car, right? It's my car and you're my friend and you're in Austin and you're like, Hey, can I borrow this car? I'm fine with you borrowing. I'm not gonna sit there wondering, you know, she gonna, you know, repaint it or scratch it up or something like that. So if, you know, in my view, you're a partner and you do have that intimate connection to the point where you have this sense of possessiveness, you'd also know if, if they're like gonna be cheating on you, that's on them. That shows they're, that that kind of is kind of to logical because they're not the person that you fell in love with. 1 (29m 35s): Because if they're comfortable doing that to you just for the sake of some sense of pleasure or short term, you know, sexuality, it's just like, well this isn't who I kind of wanna own. 0 (29m 46s): Yeah, I agree with that. So that's why I think when you have like these really restrictive and I guess it's, they're more just jealousy tendencies. Yeah. It's pointless to me because again, they're gonna do what they want. And Esther Perel talks about like the transformation of the word monogamy. How it used to mean one person, that's it until we die. And then somehow it's kind of gone into one person at a time and she's like, from 1 (30m 8s): Your serial monogamy. Yeah. 0 (30m 9s): Yeah. So, which isn't like the true version of it. And then most people, she says like, monogamy only exists in reality because there's no monogamy in your past. 'cause you have previous lovers assuming, and there's no monogamy in your fantasies because everyone fantasizes a little bit. So we also have this warped idea of what that means and we have this idea of monogamy. And then what happens is you have some people that are really devoted and they actually practice it. They're very faithful. But then you have other people that end up, they're mono monogamous, but then they're cheating. So then there's this alternative which is, which is consensual non-monogamy. So it's like, for some reason, I feel like it's better to cheat and not get caught than to have the conversation of having an alternative relationship. 0 (30m 50s): Yeah. 1 (30m 51s): Kind of game theory. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's, it's not consensual if you don't know what you're consenting to. Right. Do you know what I mean? It's just like, if you're you, you can't, again, maybe I'm just too vanilla. You, I don't see how you can guarantee to your partner that you're not gonna catch. Feels like I, I just feel like that's kind of insincere. Well 0 (31m 13s): I think it's a choice. Even with monogamy, it's a choice. So it's, it's sticking with your commitment to that person. Because most people, if you have an affair, it's someone that you work with. 'cause you're seeing this person day in, day out and you know, you see them probably more than you see your husband or wife. And that is within a closed container and it's still happens. And you still said it's you until I die. But it's happening even with, without the allowance. So I think in a weird way, a lot of people that are in alternative relationships, they have made that devotion and that commitment to that one person. It's like, regardless you're my person, whatever else happens is inconsequential and ironic. You, 1 (31m 52s): You don't know that. 0 (31m 53s): No. But if you do look at some of the numbers. So ala ran this poll because people automatically assume that relationships just kind of implode if you introduce anything other than one person at one time. No, 1 (32m 3s): I was saying is you don't know that it's inconsequential. You don't know that if you spend an afternoon with someone, it's not gonna, you can't guarantee it's not gonna matter. No, 0 (32m 10s): I'm not saying that I can guarantee it, but I'm saying like, if you were to look at large groups of people that are doing this, so what I'm saying is it's almost like more provocative and alluring because it's forbidden and you don't know how to handle it. And then there's also not that, that kind of neuro pathway to talk to your partner about what happens if something like that were to occur. Occur because it's so emotionally driven. Whereas if you have someone that's in an alternative relationship, they've had that conversation several times at nauseam. So if it does have, if something does happen with, with the, that's outside of the bounds, they're a lot more comfortable to kind of resolve the issue where the other one is like, I'm taking the kids, you have a second house or I will never see you again. It's like a lot more erratic. 0 (32m 52s): So if the affair happens, I think that it's a bigger deal within the monogamous container because again, like they're not prepped for it. And I think it's easier for someone in an atypical relationship to make sure that it doesn't get to someplace it's not supposed to get. 1 (33m 6s): Sure. By the way, the reason I was laughing is I, while we were talking was reminded of the most embarrassing moment of my life. Oh no, 0 (33m 14s): Tell me. 1 (33m 14s): You'll have to tell, I'll tell you after the air just to fuck with the audience. And it, it's kind of speaks to what we were talking about. Not like romantically at all. But I'll tell you. And it'll be really, really, really funny. 0 (33m 24s): Oh my gosh. I'm gonna be on the edge of my seat until we're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. And this is not 1 (33m 30s): Me. Oh, I'm Meg, you Okay. 0 (33m 32s): You know what this is? I just, that's in the come as you are book two and there's this thing, have you ever heard of extended orgasm? 1 (33m 39s): Well I, I mean I can figure out what it is. What do you mean? So 0 (33m 42s): You can get a woman to have an orgasm for about an hour long. It's a real thing. Like real thing. I've experienced it. And then with men, I think it's called. But 1 (33m 52s): Is that good? Yes. An hour. 0 (33m 54s): It sounds exhausting, but it is. It's like a psychedelic trip. It is like you enter a different realm. Have you ever, you've, I'm sure you've seen Alex Great paintings. No, no. 1 (34m 4s): Maybe not by name. 0 (34m 5s): Okay. So he is a psychedelic artist. Oh wait, 1 (34m 7s): I know him with all the faces. Yeah. And 0 (34m 9s): Then it's like very geometric. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was so weird. Everything started to look like that. I was stone sober, stone sober, everything I saw, like I saw his body vibrating, my body vibrating. Like everything started to have like this geometric pattern around it. It was an hour. It sounds terrible. It was one of the best experiences of my life. And I don't really know, I'm like trying to figure out how to get, be able to do that. 'cause some women can just do it on like demand. And there's this, all this other book, it's called the Multi-Orgasmic Man. It's the idea of having men have multiple orgasms. 'cause we think that only women can do it, but men can also do it. 0 (34m 50s): So it's kind of like edging. But basically you wanna try to get yourself to like a nine or like a 9.9 and just kind of hover there. And with the woman, there's this spot it's like to like her left of her clit. And it, if you put pressure there, it can kind of like hold that nine nine 1 (35m 9s): Her left or stage left 0 (35m 11s): Her left. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'll, I'll send you, I'll send you some material. It's crazy. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. But the edging is great. Okay. You work your way up to, to the hour long orgasm. 1 (35m 24s): Wait, so is she just sitting there having the orgasm? No, 0 (35m 28s): It's like full, full body. So I, 1 (35m 30s): No, what it means the guy sitting working her for an hour. Yeah. 0 (35m 34s): But it, but you get to a point where it doesn't have to be direct stimulation. So I think so often we have like, we have sex with a, like it's a mission. Like we have to get to orgasm and that's fine. But it's not, if you think of your best time, that probably wasn't how it was. It was probably more like time, more of a flow state where there was no time and you're doing all these other things and you're like, everything is an experience. Like you're not just focused, single focused on something. So with those, at least in my experience, those orgasms are like really quick and done. And they're not, they're not huge. They're not like anything to write about. It's just like, oh that was great with these. It's like you kind of transmute that energy. 0 (36m 14s): And who, what's the name of the author? He does a lot of self-help books. 1 (36m 19s): Jordan Peterson? 0 (36m 20s): No, definitely not Jordan Peterson. It is Outwitting the Devil. What's his name? Dear 1 (36m 25s): Abby. 0 (36m 26s): I dunno. Dear Abby, I feel like you're making fun of me. What is his name? Why is it escaping me? I'm gonna look it up really quick. 2 (36m 36s): It's like one of my favorite books. 1 (36m 38s): Ed Landers. 2 (36m 41s): I don't have service. 0 (36m 45s): Hey Siri. Who wrote Outwitting the Devil? Napoleon Hill. It came to me. Okay. Soon as it was coming up. So he talks about sexual transmutation. And this is kind of taking over like the hippy dippy space right now. But it's, and it kind of circles back into porn and the problem with like men over consuming porn. So there's this idea that sexual energy is a very powerful creative force and it kind of starts in your root shocker. So if you can take that energy and build it up, then you can ease. Either use it to work, have inventions create, like use it very productively. You can use it to manifest. But the idea is that you move that energy up. So when you're having these extended orgasms, like your cells are vibrating, so you don't have to do direct pressure, like constantly be stimulating anything because you've now moved it throughout the whole body instead of one isolated area. 1 (37m 35s): Yeah. This sounds to me very much like this whole foods. It's so real. I went to Honduras to do Aya and I learned that genders are people too. There's a lot of that stuff in Austin. Cold plunges. We're crushing it at work kind of space. And I, I, it's not my world at all. 0 (37m 54s): It sounds like that. But Napoleon Hill was definitely not like a Whole Foods kind of guy. Okay. It's just like the way that he worded it is probably very different than how it's kind of being capitalized and packaged beautifully now for like the beaded linen wearing folk. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But highly recommend like 1 (38m 9s): Commend, identify shaman. 0 (38m 11s): You've also been labeled as a cultural, cultural observer. Ooh, 1 (38m 16s): What a what what a what an outrageous, what an outrageous epithet cultural observer. My god. 0 (38m 23s): Cultural observer. Yeah. Is there anything that you're focusing on right now? Or it's something that's just fascinating to you that the masses are doing? 1 (38m 31s): The masses never interest me. I I find them absolutely abhorrent. What is interesting in our culture, I think our, I've been talking about this with a lot of people on my show and in private as well. And I think our contemporary discourse on social media has gotten really dumb. I was at, Jordan Peterson gave a talk here at the Moody Center. It was all about, you know, having one hour orgasms and so on. And, you know, I 0 (39m 3s): Can't believe I missed it 1 (39m 4s): Is how do you give a a one hour orgasm? And I'm sitting there edging and I looked around at the audience and it was full and it, and, and I looked at these people's faces. I was like, holy crap. Like the discourse on social media is completely removed from how these people live their lives and what they think about. Like, I knew that whole, that whole kind of catchphrase, Twitter's not real life. And I, it just hit me that day. I am like, like this is really this very at best funhouse mirror place. Mm. So it's really kind of just living with a lot of eye rolls and yeah, I I I don't really know that I have anything that is peaking my interest these days as opposed to like putting me off. 0 (39m 52s): So when you get into that space, how do you find inspiration? Especially as a creative, because for me, sometimes if I spend too much time online, I very much forget that Twitter is not the real world and I can get really like, disheartened or like just unmotivated. Like, it, it's almost like, it like takes energy away from me in like a really, really weird way. And then I just feel discouraged. Like I don't wanna make anything because it's not gonna do well. And everything that I see that does well is like, it's just like shock jock stuff and it's not adding value and it's like all of, I don't know, it's just all of this really superficial stuff. So it's like, does it even matter? And then you get really cynical, which I know that you are not a fan of cynicism and I'm not either. 0 (40m 36s): And I can catch myself really easily if I'm not paying attention to like how things affect my mental health. And online is definitely a big ingredient in that. So how if you get into a place where you're like eye rolling and discouraged in a way, do you get back to a place of inspiration and creativity? And I have a purpose in white pilling essentially. 1 (40m 58s): Yeah. So there, I have a document at home with like a list of like book ideas and it's a long list and it's kind of interesting knowing that I'm gonna die not having, have most of those books ever be written. And a lot of 'em have really great ideas. So I had one project, which I now, because it's, I think it's 'cause it's a presidential year and it's very important for our media and social media to reduce everything to this wwe good guys versus bad guys. So there's just no room for kind of any sort of o other than that kind of discourse. So like, maybe I'll have to take a break for a year and until things come down. 1 (41m 40s): Although I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen as a result of November in terms of the losing side and, and how they're going to take it. 'cause I mean it's, it's who knows what's gonna happen anyway. So there was a project and my gray hair is showing here. There was a project I was working on when I was trying to get my foot in the door as an author. It was a script I wrote in like 2003 before. And now I'm going to be making that into graphic novel. I'm gonna be doing crowdsourcing, which shouldn't be too hard, although maybe I'll be eating my words. And I remembered it's what I really enjoy is helping, one of the great things about being older is that you can help young people avoid the mistakes you made. 1 (42m 28s): Because when you are young and bright, you're also inexperienced, right? So you might have a lot of knowledge and a lot of wisdom, but you're not gonna have a lot of experience. So you're not gonna know what this means or that means. It's just something you learn with time. So again, young people understand this all the time. All the people like at least you can learn from my mistakes. So there was a, like a lecture I used to give for like young socially awkward men about how not to be so young and socially awkward and just like, 'cause I remembered very vividly when I graduated college it was, I wasn't concerned about being smart enough or being hardworking. I knew I couldn't speak corporate. I knew that when I'm in an office they're gonna have this language where people say one thing and mean the other. 1 (43m 11s): And I would have no capacity for being able to kind of sift through the double talk and it was gonna be deleterious to my wellbeing in my career. So this is a whole talk I used to give and like the audience would love it because they knew all about what the Fed is and how the fed is bad, but they didn't know how to work a room. They didn't know how to pass as normie or how Normies communicate with this kind of two-faced where someone's not interested, they're not gonna send, I'm not interested, they're gonna, you know, use these other cues. So I thought, okay, I can flip that into a book as well. So there's things that, you know, it's really easy for me to be inspired because I just think the world is such an amazing and interesting place. 1 (43m 53s): And I guess it speaks to that SMA thing. 'cause I'm not looking for any of my books to be, you know, eat, pray, love. Right? I don't want that. I would rather have my smaller, more cultivated audience as long as I can pay my rent, eat dinner wherever I want, whenever I want, take a trip once in a while and not feel weird. If I drop a hundred dollars on a crazy plant, then my life is, and you know, if I take my girl out to a nice restaurant, I don't have to worry about the bill. I'm pretty much set. You know what I mean? So I, I think that's a really low bar to have a successful life in terms of, it's really pretty easy to meet that. 0 (44m 32s): Do you think that like anyone is capable of doing that? No. Like anyone is? No, no. 1 (44m 37s): Not at all. 0 (44m 38s): So what kind of traits would you, and I think that's a really honest answer and I appreciate that. 'cause I think a lot of people in this health help space, it's like you can do any, anyone can do anything. Anyone. That's ridiculous. Anyone can be a leader. Anyone can be an entrepreneur. No, that's, 1 (44m 49s): That's true. 0 (44m 50s): You what about like being like highly risk averse? 'cause that there's that too. No stability. Well you can get over, you think anyone can get over that? Yeah. 1 (44m 60s): Okay. It's just that you have to just bite the bullet, 0 (45m 3s): Right? Maybe. Yeah. I, I think some people, I think if you're gonna be a successful entrepreneur, there is some kind of risk taking. Correct. It's, you have to that kind of, you get excited about, like, you're not like, oh my God, I'm gonna throw up every time I try to start, start my dream basically. So I guess how do you set yourself up to a position where you like, you know, you're not gonna succeed or thrive in a corporate setting. You're also, you're green, you have a lot of ideas, but you don't know exactly like where, like where your calling is. Like what are like the basics that you would have to have to be able to like start working on being self-sufficient and being able to do that? 1 (45m 41s): Well, I, I had a lot of foresight I think. So when I went to college, I knew the only point of me going to college is to get a credential. Like that's all that matters here. If I wanna learn, there's books, right? So I Bucknell where I went to had a business program and I knew that business program was gonna open a lot of doors for me. And I converted, I wanna say like eight, 13, a lot of people to business majors. 'cause it's like, you like psychology, great, go read psychology books, you know, there's a lot of them in our superb library, but knows a great library. But why are you here? You're here because you wanna get a credential that's gonna help you get a, a lucrative job. 1 (46m 24s): And that, so what I used to do is I would have a fairly high paying day job and work on my other personal career stuff in the evening. I didn't really want to be an author per se. What I wanted was no alarm clock, never have to engage in small talk and never have to interact with someone that I don't want to. And, and that's just a function all as much as my like disabilities or a word you wanna use or versions as it is, as as anything else. And having accomplished that, it's really great because I like so many people in my audience, either they're business owners or, you know, they're stuck in some job and they have to sit, they ask me for advice and be like, you know this, there's someone I work with and they're always talking about Trump and it's just like, what should I do? 1 (47m 13s): I'm, I'm like, you should shut down and shut the fuck up because you're never gonna get through this person. This person is of no value to you other than, you know, maybe working on projects together. This isn't your world. Like this is of corporate America or I, I can't in probably other countries I'm sure as well. It's a very artificial place and you're there for one thing, which is to make money to further what you really care about. So, you know, that was kind of my perspective going in. And it took a bit of time, but I think it'll be much easier now because thanks to the internet, like I could have my day job and I could set up an Etsy shop or I could set up a Twitter account or YouTube and it's really easy to kind of, I don't wanna say really easy, I'm sorry. 1 (47m 53s): It's much easier than it was for me, whatever, 25 years ago to kind of have this double life at first and then slowly transition. 0 (48m 1s): I wish I had you and I was deciding to go to school. Seriously. I I switched majors like three times. I ended up getting a psych degree and my, my mom's like, why are you doing that? It's a waste of time. And I dunno why I went to school and paid that massive bill. I feel like I've learned so much more post-graduation. Of course. I'm like, what was this for? And I was just so pressured and it was like, you will be a failure if you don't have this piece of paper. And I've never, obviously I've never used it. I don't re I didn't retain most of it. Yeah. Because it's like you're in this environment where the, the professor's unmotivated and uninspired. 'cause not everyone had Jordan Peterson as their psychology teacher. That certainly wasn't my experience. So if they're not excited, I'm not gonna be excited. And guess what? 0 (48m 41s): I'm memorized something just to pass a test. Right. And that it leaves soon as I leave that door. Right, right. Yeah. So it's, I think the future is gonna be really interesting, especially with my kids. I'm like, is college even gonna be a thing? Right. Or is that gonna be kind of antiquated? Yeah. 'cause why am I gonna spend $250,000 to go into Ivy League when I can go onto YouTube and get right the best minds in the world in my living room. 1 (49m 2s): Yeah. 0 (49m 4s): So what are your, what are your predictions for 2024? Do you wanna share? Do you have any or is it like, so 1 (49m 11s): I don't, I don't know that I have any, I don't think I have any per se. No, I think things are just getting off the rails. We all knew it was gonna get off the rails. I don't think there was any this 0 (49m 21s): Much though. 1 (49m 22s): I, I think we have an, i I think it's gonna get really crazy as we approach November, like crazy stuff. When are we gonna drop this episode? Do you know, 0 (49m 32s): In, not this Wednesday, but next Wednesday. 1 (49m 34s): So by the time we air this, they could have put Trump in jail already. Do 0 (49m 38s): You think that that's a possibility? It's 1 (49m 39s): A, it's a very high possibility because what's happening is the judge in the case said, already found him guilty of contempt nine times and find him a thousand dollars each. Who cares? Right. Not that $9,000, nothing. But when you're a billionaire, I mean that's, and it's also politically not a big deal. But he's like, look, you keep talking about this case. I am going to put you in jail. And at the same time you can understand from Trump's perspective, he's running for office. He feels the need to publicly defend himself. I don't blame him in the slightest. He's also very notoriously bad at keeping his big fat mouth shut. That's one of his strengths. But you know, he did, to his credit, keep it shut during the Kavanaugh case and allow the Democrats to implode. 1 (50m 20s): So he does have more self-control, I think, than people realize. But I, I I think it's just kind of crazy to realistically expect him, him to just sit in their courtroom just for weeks on end while his opponent's campaigning and not say anything and not try to clear it and vindicate his own name. So, you know, I think they clearly want to put him in jail. I think a lot people, again, people are terminally online, don't appreciate that there's a lot of voters who are completely oblivious to this kind of stuff, that they only start paying attention like the week before election day. Yeah. And a lot of them aren't gonna vote for a felon. Like all they're gonna hear is like, the guy's getting into jail, he must have done something right. Like, 'cause they don't know anyone who went to jail and all the people they do know who went to jail are like bad. 1 (51m 0s): They're bad like burglars or, you know, like rapists. So I think it's a very smart move on the part of the democrats and, and the, the regime. But again, by the time this airs, like this could, this could have already happened. 0 (51m 14s): So how is it not like political interference? Because what do you mean? It seems, it seems very strategically timed to like Sure. Right. The litigation of all of it. And it's like you have this candidate, we, they tried having him not on the ballot, which is crazy before he even has a hearing. 1 (51m 31s): Why is it crazy? Because 0 (51m 32s): I think if you, if you say that just because someone is accused of something that they're not allowed to run, that creates like a really dangerous space for the country. 'cause how easy it, but 1 (51m 41s): They're not, they don't care. They care about power. What are they? I don't, do you, do you not get that? 0 (51m 45s): No. And I would totally wanna get into that with you because I feel like you're brilliant when it comes to politics. 1 (51m 51s): This doesn't take any brilliance. If I'm in power, why would I accept any threats to my power? 0 (51m 56s): For sure. But we are supposed to be be in a republic who's 1 (51m 59s): Supposed to a blue. Okay. Supposed to is a blue pill term, supposed to is a meaningless term. What's 0 (52m 3s): A blue? Oh yeah, that blue red. 1 (52m 4s): Yeah. It's just taking things at the surface level. So supposed just get that you and everybody else, when someone says supposed to, it's just the kind of thing where when you call your credit card company and they say, stand the line, your call's important to us. It's just like you're being fed by a robot, like a nonsense line and you're just repeating it at surface. It's just crazy to me. 0 (52m 24s): But if you, I guess if you, even if you're in a position of power, let's say you're at the top and you're, you know, one of these shadow figures that no one knows who it is. But if you are allowed to just say that someone can't run because they have an accusation. And that's also kind of a threat to you. If, if there's a power flip in someone else, like the opposing is, if there is an opposing side of the top, it's making an assumption and that it's not a collective. I don't have 1 (52m 47s): An idea. Sure. But I mean that's the whole point that you have to make sure that you maintain power at all times, at all costs. But that's their goal regardless. Mm. Right. And that's also assuming that you have this symmetry in terms of what you can get away with. For example, Hillary Clinton used to very publicly be against gay marriage. Right. And if you have a Republican who was against gay marriage in the past, this is gonna be thrown their face. It's never thrown in Obama's face. It's never thrown in Hillary's face. It's never thrown in the Cuomo brother's face that their father ran for New York City mayor I believe, or governor against Ed Koch. And they had a shadow campaign with the slogan was vote for Cuomo not the homo. That's not thrown in their face at all. You know, 0 (53m 24s): I didn't know that. Right. 1 (53m 26s): You would think that they would bring this up. Right. But they don't because there's an asymmetry in terms of how different parties are held account for certain different things. So again, I don't think there's, here's the thing, here's how you know they're doing the right thing for them strategically. Not one of those Democrats who try to pull this move on Trump is gonna have any consequences what they did. Whereas if a Republican tried to do this with a Democrat, you, you don't know necessarily that would be the case. Right. 0 (53m 52s): So I guess is an election kind of an illusion? Yes. 1 (53m 57s): Yeah, of 0 (53m 58s): Course. And how long do you think that that has been the case? Do you think that they were ever real? 1 (54m 2s): It would, they're always, 0 (54m 4s): He's like, oh listen here, sweet child. 1 (54m 7s): Not in those words. Okay. In those words. Okay, let's talk about the Constitution. Right. Okay. We, we had something in place called the Articles of Confederation. Right. And the argument people say, just like the whole thing with the nuclear family, there's this whole mythology of the Constitution. It's completely historical. The argument is the constitution is great because it keeps the government from growing too fast. It binds the government, right. But we all learned in high school that before the Constitution there was an articles confederation. And the article of Confa Confederation Confederation worked so well that the federal government could barely do anything. So the Art of Confederation worked like the Constitution is supposed to have worked the Constitution, which has now given us the biggest government that's ever existed. 1 (54m 53s): Right? So what happens is they have a constitution convention in Philadelphia in secret, they're sworn to secrecy and they're like, okay, we're just gonna, they were there to amend the artist confederation. They're like, you know what? They closed the door. They're like, we're throwing this in the trash. Right? They have this new constitution. Every single one of those states already had a duly elected government of representatives. They knew they couldn't get it through with those dually elected representatives. So they just had referendums and they just had new people to vote. So the whole point is democracy isn't about the will of the people, which never makes sense. And it's not coherent anyway. Democracy is about finding a justification for doing what you want it to do anyway. 1 (55m 33s): And you see this in Obamacare, for example. They passed it through both houses. Scott Brown won the election in Massachusetts to be a Republican senator. So they'd lost super majority. So what the Democrats did is they took a previous bill, deleted all that had passed, deleted all the text, inserted the Obamacare text, and they're like, okay, this has now passed. So it's really kind of, you know, my, one of my heroes, HL Mankin said, democracy is the idea that people deserve what they deserve to get what they went deserve to get what they want. Good and hard. So yeah, elections aren't, are, are very much an illusion because there's no even real mechanism that the guy who's in office is gonna do what you want. 0 (56m 18s): So there's no way, so when you have someone like VI that was running and he was talking about dismantling so many of these organizations, there wouldn't have been a way for that to happen. 1 (56m 27s): Well it w there would've been a way, but first of all, I don't think there's any appetite in this country for that or else other people be running for it, right? Yeah. Number one. Number two is the Republicans have been saying this for like close to a century. Not one federal department has been abolished at all. You had a Republican majority under President Trump for the first two years. They didn't even try, they didn't even try to cut $1 from the budget. So this is something that, and Ron DeSantis who's has a super majority in Florida, the after the Republic, the budgets has still gone up year after year. So it's a complete fallacy that when Republicans are in power, they're going to shrink the government or overturn what the Democrats had done previously. 0 (57m 5s): Yeah. We looked this up the other day. I was on drinking bros and they were making the argument for whoever's gonna have, who, who would you vote for? And the answer was, whoever's going to have like the smallest government. And I said, well has the government ever gotten smaller under Republican? And they go, that's a good question, let's look it up. And there was one president that that has ever happened to one. Yeah. So no one's doing that. And that's kind of mind blowing 'cause so many people on the right, it's small government, right. Power to the people. But you're not seeing that in application. So is there a way, so I agree there's no appetite for other, otherwise more people would be doing it and be much more popular. But is there, is it too disruptive to talk about a third party or an independent party? 0 (57m 46s): Or is that like, that's dead in the water, it's not gonna happen. 1 (57m 49s): Canada has five parties. Yeah, great. Britain has five parties. Sweden has nine parties. Czech Republic has like eight parties in parliament. 0 (57m 55s): It doesn't solve 1 (57m 56s): Anything. So I mean if this is nonsense, here's the thing. First of all, people need to get this through their heads that despite this kind of like conservative propaganda, this is not a country where a majority of people want freedom. Okay? We saw this during Covid. If this was a country where people had freedom as their highest value even, or even like a significant block of the population, they could not have gotten away with half of the bullshit that they got away with regardless of whether you think it was appropriate or not. So if pe, if there are people out there who are so quote unquote crazy that they don't care if other people get sick, my freedom comes first. If there's enough of them, politicians would've had no choice to follow suit, right? And there was none of that. 1 (58m 36s): So it's a complete, so this kind of belief in this system that like we're just gonna have to vote harder or vote for this third party. That third party is never gonna get enough of a vote to make the difference. Because again, first of all, the population is have enough of, of the, that is an interest. But also the politicians have no, as we talked about earlier, have v virtually no interest in decreasing their power because also it's harder for them to get reelected. 'cause what are they gonna say? Now I have less money to return to bases in, in this district and help you out. So it, it's really kind of a system that is designed to only go in one direction. 0 (59m 11s): Yeah. So libertarianism is just, 1 (59m 13s): But how, how there's no libertarian majority in this country and there's not even there will there, even if there were, there's so many roadblocks to make sure that that can't really be effectively implemented. 0 (59m 25s): And the same with the independent party. So 'cause RFK is polling high, but I still think 1 (59m 30s): It's, so let's suppose tomorrow RFK becomes president, right? You have 51 Democrats in the Senate, you have 217 as of right now Republicans in the house. How many of them are gonna vote for any kind of significant budget cuts? Right? And even if there are budget cuts, it's still gonna get us to like last year, like the budget is growing at such a high rate that there's no kind of space to cut it to anything close to what people regard as small government. 0 (1h 0m 1s): So you talk about national divorce, you coined that, correct? 1 (1h 0m 4s): No, I don't think I coined it. You coined but I started the whole conversation Yeah. With that article. 0 (1h 0m 8s): Okay. So we, if we were to do that, is it kind of like Europe, we look like Europe, each state kind of has all of its own rights. It's like the ultimate state's rights and there is no, 1 (1h 0m 18s): Well Europe is, is moving in the other direction. They have, they all have shared currency. So you certainly wouldn't do, 0 (1h 0m 23s): Wouldn't you need shared currency or no? No. 1 (1h 0m 25s): Are you No, it's, it's a divorce. How would it have shared currency? 0 (1h 0m 28s): Kind of like how you, so you still have the borders. So you have like, you know how you would have Spain, England, France, et cetera, but you would still, but 1 (1h 0m 34s): They don't have borders. They, they have the sheen agreement, which means I can go from Spain to France without having to show my passport. Oh that's true. Like once you're in there you have free motion. So yeah, there's like, once Texas becomes independent again, you're not coming here from California. Like it's not happening. Like, 0 (1h 0m 50s): So do you think that's the first step? Is that Texas seeds and then everyone else is like, oh this is a possibility 1 (1h 0m 56s): For me. I don't know what would be the first, what would hop it off? It's the kind of thing where you don't see it coming ahead of time. Yeah, so I, and I don't, I don't know what that would look like, but I do think it would, the kind of thing that would escalate very quickly. 0 (1h 1m 12s): So, 1 (1h 1m 13s): But the thing is it's, it's not gonna, it's not gonna happen this year because everyone in politics now sees it's as good as versus evil. So we have to beat the other guy. So everyone's really committed to this election. So I think the talk of national divorce will only bubble up again come after November. Yeah. Because right now, like literally like 90% of people or the people, sorry, a hundred percent of people that care about PO who are like political animals, like we can't let this other guy win 0 (1h 1m 44s): Is the world will end. 1 (1h 1m 44s): Yeah. The world will end. Yeah. 0 (1h 1m 46s): Same, same trope. Yeah. So if you were to redo the A constitution, I guess the question is would you pick one and just kind of make edits or you're starting over entirely? There's 1 (1h 1m 58s): No, 0 (1h 1m 59s): I guess we, the constitution you there's are making a document to run a now sovereign country. 1 (1h 2m 4s): No document can bind the hands of lawyers. The, the lawyer's entire job is to say, you see here that says no law shall be made. Well they don't even mean low law. They mean no, no law of this kind. Like we are told explicitly that the most important kind of speech under the first amendment to be protected is political speech. Yet that was the first kind of speech that was made a felony under John Adams, our second president. The ink under the constitution wasn't even dry and they were locking up journalists for criticize in the government. So that's another kind of, you know, a historical myth that like the First amendment is primarily about free speech. There's no asterisk. It says free speech. You know, it shall not be a bridge. But you have 200 years of people being like, well you can't mail novels that are obscene. 1 (1h 2m 50s): It it just come in complete contravention of the first Amendment. So there's nothing you can put in writing that's going to bind the power of a class of people who intent on furthering their power because they're the ones who would be binding themselves. 0 (1h 3m 3s): So then what maintains peace and a cohesive community, guns 1 (1h 3m 9s): And a culture of people who are interested in being strong assets, their communities. And I think you see a lot of that to some extent in, in America in different pockets. 0 (1h 3m 20s): So do you think so I learned that I had no idea what anarchy was. I've learned that in trying to just prep for this episode, I think I thought what most people think of which is Mad Max, crazy tons of violence, chaos, no order whatsoever. We 1 (1h 3m 36s): Have that now. Right? Not mad Max, but certainly like 2020 showed that the government can be perfectly happy with mass violence and will incarcerate the people who like house, who are doing their noble duty to prevent it. 0 (1h 3m 51s): Yeah. And I learned that it's actually like a collective, everyone's getting along, but it's I guess by volunteer and willingness and not through power and force and the idea that there isn't a hierarchy, but it isn't that 1 (1h 4m 6s): You're gonna have some hierarchy. 0 (1h 4m 7s): Okay. Because everything that I've seen, there's, they make a point to say no hierarchy. And like you, I don't possible think that's 1 (1h 4m 12s): Possible. That's not possible. Right. That's the, that's the like an communist version which okay I think is completely impossible because me too even animals have something called a pecking order. That's where the term comes from, right? So in any situation, naturally a hierarchy will emerge. And even if you have the town hall, which is the most kind of pure example of democracy, someone is still picking on people to talk. Someone is setting the terms of debate. Someone's has the timer that is an elite. So even there you're gonna have some kind of hierarchy. It's someone's, it's gonna be someone's hall, someone's gonna be maintaining it, they're gonna have more power than others. 0 (1h 4m 41s): And if there's no voting though, like who's to say who's at the top? Well because isn't that just gonna turn into violence? 1 (1h 4m 47s): Well who's at the top on the show 0 (1h 4m 50s): Of the show? Yeah, you 1 (1h 4m 51s): Definitely, no it's chatting with Candace. It's your show. Right? You invited me here. You could tell me to F off if you want to. So it's your kind of, this is your domain. 0 (1h 5m 1s): Yes. 1 (1h 5m 2s): And we could talk about what you wanna talk about or not talk about you don't want talk about. Right. It's your house. So whoever's domicile it is is going to have control over that. So it's a private society where whoever's property is or or location is gonna have jurisdiction. So 0 (1h 5m 16s): There's still private property. It's all 1 (1h 5m 17s): Private. 0 (1h 5m 18s): Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 'cause that was, there's a ton of different versions. And then some of them were like, there is private property, there isn't private property. Yeah. 1 (1h 5m 25s): The black flag comes in many colors. Yeah. But the tall thing about this tragedy of the commons is this kind of thing where like, yeah you should be able to, you know, smoke crack in the library because it's, it's public property. And I don't think that that is a coherent or sustainable approach. 0 (1h 5m 39s): No, I mean you kind of see that in San Francisco, right? Right. Like it's, you do this thing out of fake empathy and ends up costing everything, the whole community around it and everything kind of crumbles. So it's, it seems similar to the non-aggressive non-aggression principle. Yeah, that's correct. Right? So as long as it's not hurting anyone else. Correct. So where does that begin? Because my understanding I, and maybe it's different 'cause like I'm a woman so I think things that'll seem aggressive to me are gonna probably be different and the law kind of leaves room for that. Especially when it comes to carrying. So something that I would perceive as a threat to my life would probably not be the same thing to 1 (1h 6m 15s): You. Well if threatened aggression's not the same thing. 0 (1h 6m 17s): Okay. So what's the difference? 1 (1h 6m 19s): Well, like meaning if you like, if there's like a, like a loud nightclub and you feel threatened, that's not really someone aggressing toward you personally. 0 (1h 6m 26s): Well if you have someone that's looking at you and they, they say like, I'm going to hurt you. Well 1 (1h 6m 32s): That's a very much a thread. 0 (1h 6m 32s): Yes. Right. So that would be violating the principle. Yes. And you'd have the right to defend yourself. Yes, of course. That's what I thought too. And someone was telling me I was completely wrong and I was like, who's 1 (1h 6m 40s): Telling you this 0 (1h 6m 43s): Gerard? Oh. And I was like, no, but that is, that is you 1 (1h 6m 48s): Don't get to pull out a gun and be like your wallet or your life and then you'd be like, well they weren't threatening me. I chose to give my wallet. 0 (1h 6m 54s): 'cause I guess it's just words, it's not like, you know, brandishing a a weapon 1 (1h 6m 58s): But that, that's a threat. But if you're a bigger son, that's the definition of a threat. Even if you're not bigger or stronger. Yeah. If a small person comes up to you and says, give me your wallet, they're threatening you. They could have a, they could have a knife, they could have someone behind you. You, you don't know. Yeah. The hell yeah. No, what the, he doesn't know what he's talking about. 0 (1h 7m 13s): Yeah, I thought so too. I was like, I would think that definitely falls into into that's 1 (1h 7m 17s): The definition of threat. 0 (1h 7m 18s): Yeah. Okay. I got one 1 (1h 7m 20s): Aha. Like I can tell you right now I'm gonna hurt your kids. Right? Yeah. I'm not really gonna do it but I'm threatening them even though you know, there's literally zero chance I'm gonna do this but I, I just threaten them. Now it's up to you to see if you're gonna take it seriously or not. Obviously in this case you're not gonna take it seriously. I'm not gonna hurt your kids. But like that is the definition of a threat. If Stranger walks up to you and says this, how is that not a threat? 0 (1h 7m 41s): So that'd be kind of the format for I guess code of conduct or law. Yeah. So you wouldn't have a whole bunch of laws. It's just basically non-aggression 1 (1h 7m 50s): But also be like every, like here's the thing, have you ever tried to buy a sweater at McDonald's? No. Right. Because McDonald's has the, you can buy these things here. This is how you can behave here. You probably be allowed at McDonald's. Some kind of cigar bar would have a different set of rules. And we navigate these worlds all the time. You know what you can buy in one store when you can't buy another store? You know you have to be quiet in a library and you could be screaming at a concert. So people act like it's like, oh this is so confusing you, this is already our reality that you know, even on the internet, like you know, you could buy this on Amazon and but you for this you have to go someplace else. It, it's complicated but it's the kind of thing that everyone already just has a second nature. 0 (1h 8m 29s): So would you use the free market to establish what was allowed and not allowed? Basically if someone wasn't allowing and if people weren't buying the thing, then obviously there's no demand for it. Correct. So it doesn't exist. Correct. Yeah. So it's like Sex Robots are totally fine in anarchy land. 1 (1h 8m 43s): Well, yeah, I, I don't see, yeah I dunno about totally fine and it it be, I don't like the word totally fine because just because something is, for example not tipping would certainly be legal in anarchism. I wouldn't say it's totally fine right now. You could certainly have a restaurant where they're like, okay we added the tip automatically, you don't have a choice. Or in our culture this is a kind where European res, I don't say weird. So European restaurant tipping's not, you know, it's, we don't have tipping here. It's insulting in Japan they don't tip. So please don't tip. But again, it'd be case by case. So just, just something's allowed doesn't mean it's, it's perfectly fine. 0 (1h 9m 17s): No, that's true. So do you think though, so I guess to talk on Sex Robots for a second and we're getting into like the future and maybe not the so 1 (1h 9m 28s): Do you mean Lex 0 (1h 9m 29s): XL is a sex robot? I love that when you go in his comments everyone talks about him being Boston robotics property, 1 (1h 9m 39s): They say that, 0 (1h 9m 47s): Oh no, do you think there's this, and again it goes back to like shock content and I think a lot of people blow things out of proportion because they want eyeballs and and ears. But there's someone going around kind of saying that sex robots are going to ruin society because men are driven mostly and primarily by the need to have a sexual mate and to impress a female. So if you kind of get rid of that and you give them everything that they need from a neurological and physical standpoint through a robot, that men are gonna kind of stop being the creative builders and contributors to society and that leaves women null and void. 1 (1h 10m 26s): I think we have seen that at the very least dating apps have dramatically changed mating rituals in the west. Right. I think that's kind of not dis in dispute whether it's good or bad. I, I know it's very complicated. I'll leave for other people to judge so I don't see how if Sex Robots and they're gonna be pretty sophisticated pretty fast 'cause already we're at a point where series of better conversational than the average person. And that's a big issue that people are gonna have to navigate. 'cause what is the, that cashier who semi literate and doesn't even know the inventory of the store are bringing to the interaction of, than wasting your time. Which is one of the reasons I'm kind of in favor basing the wage 'cause I hate interacting with them and as sooner they're, you know, driven outta that job the better. 1 (1h 11m 10s): But if you do have sex robots and it's normalized and again they're not gonna look like robots, they're gonna be pretty passing pretty fast. Those, you could just have a screen, it would be your face like, you know, we, you could already have Tupac, right As a hologram. It'd be really easy to kind of have this hologram shell and if you wanna be with Ava, she's gonna sound exactly like Ava. She's gonna know your move, so on and so forth. That's gonna affect society a lot. And I don't have any insight and I don't think anyone knows what that's gonna look like until you, you know, it's kind of Pelosi with Obamacare you gotta pass it to figure out what's in it. But the idea that it's gonna be definitely all good or definitely all bad are both ridiculous to me. It's gonna be some sort of trade off. And it's also gonna be interesting that this is clearly something that's gonna happen more early in like Western and or Japan and industrialized nations than others. 1 (1h 11m 58s): So how is that divide going to happen and what's gonna be the effect there? I don't know, but it's gonna be something and not a minor thing. 0 (1h 12m 8s): Yeah. I also wonder the availability, 'cause I imagine they're gonna be wildly in, they're gonna be expensive and inaccessible 1 (1h 12m 15s): At first, but so so I TVs Yeah. Come down. Yeah. Then within, within a few years they're gonna be, you know, pretty accessible. They're gonna be discreet, you can mail 'em to your house. But I think very quickly this, you're seeing this in Japan right now, there is gonna be this subculture of like, this relationship is legitimate. You know, she understands me better than there's gonna be some of this kinda misogyny. She's gonna understand me better than any female who doesn't care about my feelings anyway. It's not gonna be entirely false to say that. So like she's gonna only care. I I don't know it's, it's gonna be, it's gonna happen faster than people think. I mean I think within 10 years this is gonna be like a given don't you? 0 (1h 12m 51s): I think there's definitely gonna be a market for it. Absolutely. But I think like anything else 'cause it, it goes into the same argument with AI and they say like AI is gonna replace the e girl basically. Like they're coming for your jobs watch out and then podcasters there, there are companies reaching out to really big podcasters that have like over a thousand episodes saying we can basically with chat GBT and this clone kind of voice cloning, you don't even have to podcast anymore. You can type in a subject and no one will know the difference eventually. And even if the technology gets to a place where it's indistinguishable from the original human thing, I think it's like anything else where you have people that want the cheap easy like fast fashion and that's probably most people. 0 (1h 13m 36s): But then there's other people that really appreciate craftsmanship and connection and knowing that something's real. So you would have some way of verifying like this was made by humans or this is a real human on the other side and there will be some small group of people that are willing to pay the upcharge for that. Sure. Like, you know, so it'd like the luxury way of living. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know, I think that's when, especially it gets dicey when you talk about human connection. 'cause that I think is so unknown. Like there's so many unknown elements of why that's so important. So we have, well at least in my feed I see a ton with like Artificial Wombs coming up and that makes me so sick when I see that because it goes back to just because you can do it doesn't mean we should be doing it. 0 (1h 14m 19s): And sure, maybe it works. I think they did a lamb successfully and they're talking about doing it first of course for women that are not able to carry. Yeah. But we, it's gonna get, well it's just an inconvenience. There was this movie, I don't know the name of it, it had Amelia Clark in it and it was kind of kind of campy so you didn't really know if, how much of it was serious and how much of it was kind of making fun of this potential doomsday. And these women were choosing, they had these eggs and you would have your baby in this egg and you would hit a button to feed it and hit a button. Someone's like, let me put music. I don't want them to be bored in the womb. And like you're totally destroying the natural process. And in that you don't know the implications of that. 0 (1h 14m 59s): 'cause there's so much I, I would say magic that goes into human connection and like growing a baby and it's, if we keep trying to progress for the sake of progress, you might end up exterminating everyone and you have no idea that that's gonna be the end. Did I get really gloomy and doomy when I see that? 1 (1h 15m 17s): I don't see how to stop it. Because what ends up happening, and we see this with like, like child porn, which obviously you and I are extremely against. Like they can crack down all they want, just go to other countries, you know, and when people are starving and they like, you know, they just film where the laws are lax. So if you're gonna, you have this right now, I think people who have surrogates, they go to India, right? So it's like, okay, it's illegal now that's nice if I can afford. So now it just becomes just for the rich, but at certain point it's gonna kind of trickle down or it's like, okay, so you didn't solve anything all, all you did is just add that basically attacks of a plane ticket and that woman in that other country is gonna have less protections than she would've had if she was a surrogate here in the states. I'm not saying that means surrogacy should be legal, I'm just saying this idea like we talked about earlier was saying, well something shouldn't happen. 1 (1h 15m 59s): Well that's a nice word. Shouldn't, but like how do you actually get, again, we're at a point where we can't even stop the production of pornography involving infants. So when people talk about shouldn't, they're having wishful thinking. It's like we need to grapple in a world where we have a lot less control over our environment than we think we do. And that's something that's very hard for people to accept because so much of the media is about like we could do anything. We put our minds to it and that's a complete lie. Like we can't even stop, you know, murders from happening and, and all this other horrific stuff. Child abuse. So I, I think rather than you could fight it tooth and nail, but you need to have to think things through, okay, what happens if that tooth and nail fight doesn't work? 1 (1h 16m 41s): What is that going to look like? 0 (1h 16m 44s): Yeah. And I guess the answer is just education and just trying to like bring awareness to people that again, there is no free lunch. So all of these things is very much a trade off. Even with the AI and mentioning like child pornography and child abuse content because the technology has gotten so good now we have people that work in trying to like find these predators like both online and in person and they're telling us that the technology is so good that they now can't tell what is an actual child versus what is ai. And then it makes it really hard to find the original content, makes it really find hard to find someone that's watching the illegal content and it's putting all of these kids at a greater risk. And here it's because we've progressed and in the technological space and that's, man is that disheartening because it's like, yeah you wanna, you think that this thing is gonna be a helpful tool and it's actually working against you in so many ways. 0 (1h 17m 34s): And I get so annoyed because there's people that are saying, well you should allow the AI content because then it would actually help kids. And that's bullshit. It's not true. And it's, if you talk to any professional on the other side, it's not true at all. It's actually making it a lot more dangerous for kids. It's like, what do you do? And there's a, I don't know who was talking about this theory, it's not necessarily shutting it down, but I guess it's the idea of racing towards the end of whatever the, the end goal of progress. So the end goal of like figuring out AI first or figuring out like, you know, these wounds first and then basically making a hard left and then shutting it down so that you kind of like outrun the competition in a weird way. But then you have to hope that the person that's steering that shipper, that car has the moral integrity to do so and doesn't get captured by the power and like, I did this thing first. 0 (1h 18m 20s): Yeah. 1 (1h 18m 21s): And also that means that's just an opportunity with somebody else to step in. So like I, I don't see any way around this. 0 (1h 18m 28s): So with that, how do you stay optimistic or hopeful? 1 (1h 18m 33s): Well I think maybe this again goes to back to Paglia thing. I think we, there's this view in America that, you know, evil doesn't really happen or it's kind of a cosmic accident. Like if you look at nature, nature is based on eating babies, right? Like I'm a cat, I'm gonna have 13 kittens. One of them hopefully is gonna survive to adulthood. The others are gonna either malnutrition or be killed by a tom cat who wants the female to be fertile. Again, like, you know, it's just the calves of the most vulnerable. Like this is like the world is a very dark place and it's, it's a wonderful thing that we're able to navigate it as well as we can. 1 (1h 19m 15s): But I think the more, and again saccharine and like June cleaver and smiley veneer we put on it, the more dishonest that is and then the less we are prepared to deal with things that are truly evil and horrific. So I, I think, you know, this kind of speaks to that blue pill perspective because corporate America's whole job is to make you feel that everything's fine. And if there are problems we're on top of it. You know, don't you worry about it. And in a certain sense like what's the point of worrying about if I'm powerless to do anything about it? You know, when I was talking about North Korea more when I did my book on North Korea, the question I was gonna ask is, well what can I do? You can't do shit. 1 (1h 19m 55s): You're an American, you know, this is a country that's a prison. You can at least, you know, not regard these people as a punchline but on a personal level there's virtually almost nothing you can do to, you know, help this population. And that's a message people don't like because we're Americans, we have that can do attitude, we can figure it out. It's like again, like we can't even figure out how to stop child abuse. So I'm not saying that that is you should hang up your hat or shouldn't try, but just acknowledge how, you know, finite your abilities are both individually and as a group and also do what you can with what you have. You know, kinda serenity prayer. 0 (1h 20m 37s): Yeah, I mean that's true. 'cause you see all that stuff and you just want to help. And what I think that I've, I don't know, been waking up to recently is I had this kind of naive idea that when we went to war or we really got involved in other countries, it was because we really wanted to do good and we wanted to help people and we wanted to right wrongs. And I think there's probably some truth to that. I don't wanna say like there's not, 'cause I know that there's good people that really, that is why they are signing up and serving. But there's also, there's this invisible hand in the back that has a completely different agenda because yeah, there's atrocities happening in other countries that just don't benefit us politically. 0 (1h 21m 18s): Right? 'cause they're already captured by China or India and that's their, you know, their land and their progress I guess. So it's like, well why help them? 'cause there's no financial benefit on the end and the on on the backend. And that's like, whoa, that gives you a lot of perspective on a lot. 'cause I was like really vocal about and I still am like I, I am not a geopolitical analyst. I have no idea. I just like, I know when I see something that is evil and then there's tying into that, there's this gaslighting that evil doesn't exist anymore. Right? And you see that in a lot of media and the movies that are being made. It's kind of trying to teach us that nothing is evil. You just need to know their backstory and then you would know why they're doing these things. 0 (1h 22m 1s): It's, that's kind of irrelevant. This thing that you just did right now in the present was evil and that's not okay. And I do think that we have to stand up to that. But I do question like pumping in billions and billions of dollars into other countries and you have to look at like, well why are we picking that country to not another? Right. Right. And I wouldn't have asked that before. I would've just said, of course. 1 (1h 22m 20s): Oh, that's good. Okay. Yeah, it's good that you're asking, I think a lot more people are asking that also, 0 (1h 22m 24s): It's hard because like you wanna, you wanna believe that like we're objectively the good guy and that there is never an alternative motive and that's not true for everybody. 1 (1h 22m 33s): Yeah. Especially people in power. 0 (1h 22m 35s): So do you fall into the belief that all power or like what is the absolute power corrupts Absolutely. 1 (1h 22m 41s): Well maybe I don't think anyone has, excuse me, I don't think anyone in America has ever had absolute power. There are checks and balances that are not gonna be necessarily function of the constitution. Just the function of, at a certain point people are just gonna be like, enough, I'm not putting up with this crap and they're gonna start doing something about it. But I I also think it's just, there's another part of that which is power draws corrupt people toward it. Mm. You know, if I don't bring much to the table, but if I win this election, all of a sudden people are gonna pay attention to me. It's gonna really attract a certain type of personality. 0 (1h 23m 13s): I had these guys on, I think it was the episode right before this, and they were talking about psychopaths and they said the two, the number, the one first and second highest job that attract psychopaths were politician and pastor. 1 (1h 23m 28s): Oh wow. 0 (1h 23m 29s): Okay. And the second one really surprised me. And when they're talking about pastor, it's not like your typical small church that is probably good. It's those big mega churches and the guys that have seven planes and they were saying there's a ton of overlap and then demands for both of those things because you're essentially an entertainer. Yes. Like you're a charismatic person and then that person is not the person that you actually want there because you need someone who's a doer and, and good at administration. And it's usually not the person that has the slick tear and is handsome and is charming and all of those things. And I just thought that was really interesting. Yeah, 1 (1h 23m 60s): I agree. Yeah. 0 (1h 24m 1s): I wanted to do something j that was just kind of fun just to get your perspective. I hate fun. It is, it's a worst. It's a good fun. So did you see, I'm sure you saw the bear versus man, did you see not see that? Okay. So there's this trend going around and it just ralls me up so much because its so 1 (1h 24m 21s): Stupid. Oh wait, was this the one you asked women? Would they rather be in good woods with the bear with a man to say 0 (1h 24m 25s): Bear? Yes. Yes. 1 (1h 24m 27s): I mean, this is why I don't believe women show the right to vote. 0 (1h 24m 29s): Do you think that they're they really mean it, they really are picking the bear or they're just saying that because it, 1 (1h 24m 36s): I I don't, they're trying to 0 (1h 24m 36s): Prove a point. 1 (1h 24m 38s): You know, better than me. You tell me. 0 (1h 24m 40s): I would never pick bear. Right. But, but that's not the que So I don't know. 1 (1h 24m 44s): I mean you, I think a lot of, like I was saying earlier about her political dis I think a lot of our sociopolitical discourse is stupid. And I think this is probably just a glib, like, well anything is better than a man. And it's just like, because at the same time it's a stupid question deserves a stupid answer. It's not a real question. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, would you rather you know, have cancer or you know, when people are like, oh, it's your 0 (1h 25m 14s): Husband or your baby is a big one. 1 (1h 25m 15s): No. Or, or no. Kind of like, I, I'd rather you know, be skinned alive than watch another episode of Big Bang Theory. You, you're, it's not true. You would actually rather watch the Big Bang theory. Like I, and I say this, I think as the Big Bang theory is a war crime. So when you ask like a ridiculous question like, would you rather be in the woods with a bear with a man? It's just like, well, I I'm gonna give this question the respective deserves. 0 (1h 25m 37s): Yeah. I think some people were trying to say it was women, like a cry for help and them just saying how scared they are to be a woman in the world. And even if that's true, then I'm like, you don't know anything about bears. Right? You don't, like, you're not gonna, it's, but you, 1 (1h 25m 52s): It's another human. Like you're gonna, you need, and 0 (1h 25m 54s): They didn't say psychopath man, they just said, 1 (1h 25m 56s): Man, yeah, they could say you gotta keep warm, you gotta collect food. It's just human beings, just two people together are gonna have infinite better chance just not going crazy. Just talking to yourself. You're gonna go go crazy. So just having two humans in the woods is gonna be infinitely easier than just by yourself. So it's, I think it's, I can, I, if I had to guess, I think they're just being glib and they're, a lot of people have marginally intelligent like to play. Gotcha. So they try to outwit the question. This is why when I have like polls on Twitter, I always like lock the comments. 'cause everyone has to be like, a, actually the choice is D blah blah, blah. It's just like, shut up, just pick between these bad choices, you know? 0 (1h 26m 31s): Yeah. Yeah. That's really funny because 1 (1h 26m 33s): It's like asking like, would you rather, you know, lose a foot or a hand O option CI, you know, win the lottery. It's like, okay, great. Like, 0 (1h 26m 41s): Yeah, that's not the game we're 1 (1h 26m 42s): Playing. That's not the game. And s everyone's gonna choose option C if that's on the, on the table. Yeah, 0 (1h 26m 46s): Of course. I wasn't, I wasn't 1 (1h 26m 46s): Presenting. Well, I'll be like, who, who do you think you know, who would you prefer as President Trump? Or, or, or Joe Biden. C Ron Paul. Yeah, that's great. Like, that's not this limited option set that we're dealing with. 0 (1h 26m 60s): Yeah. One guy was, was a wife asking him, and she's like, who would, who would you rather a 2-year-old be in the forest with? And it's just a guy, there again, there's no like, context to it or a bear. And he's like, oh, I'd have to think about that. I was like, you are a shitty person or you're really stupid. Like, oh, 1 (1h 27m 15s): He's posturing because the 0 (1h 27m 16s): Bear will eat your baby. Yes. Done alive. Right, right. Yeah. No question about it. Yes. Like there's no question there's a ton of possibility for the man. Yes. Maybe he's a great hunter and he's there to help rescue. 1 (1h 27m 28s): Yeah. We we get it. Yeah. Like everyone understands this. So that's 0 (1h 27m 30s): Not everyone. Because if you look online, it's like everyone is like, yes, of course men suck. 1 (1h 27m 35s): Yeah. But they, I don't, I I, there's something called revealed preferences, right? So we're talking about earlier how a lot of people will say that like, oh, you know, I'm, I'm a good husband and good provider and they're not home half the time and they're hoeing around. It's like, you can say whatever you want and you can even trick yourself to believe it, but your actions determine the reality. So when push comes to shove, I don't think a single one of these women, if they had to have like a video camera and their two year olds there and you press a button and a bear comes in the room or some random man comes in the room that they're gonna press the button for the bear, that's not a thing. 0 (1h 28m 11s): Yeah, I was, I've been listening to Rhetoric by Aristotle and one of the parts that he was saying was that people like to pre perceive as just more than actually to be just right. Yes. Yes. And that's what I'm thinking with that. Yes, of course. Like this is all about the perception and then behind closed doors, it's like this totally other thing that you don't, because 1 (1h 28m 27s): When people look for like caretakers for their kids, they're not like, okay, I've got three men and a bear. Clearly I'm not even gonna bother with the interviews. Like, here you go, you know, smokey like, here's my kid. That's not a thing. 0 (1h 28m 39s): I totally agree. I'm glad I asked you. 1 (1h 28m 41s): Like if you're with a kid at like a zoo and the kid falls into the bear pit, or if you're with a kid and he falls into like a construction site, like, are you gonna be like, well I'd rather he let me throw in the bear pit instead. That's not a thing. And these are construction workers, they're not exactly like classy gentlemen. Like no woman's gonna be like, oh shit, they're gonna kill the kid. She's not gonna be shrieking the top of her lungs. Help help. My god, this for this guy with a jackhammer is my kid. That's not a thing. Am I wrong? No, 0 (1h 29m 6s): That's such a good example though. I'm so glad I asked you. That's such a good example. Okay, I feel like that, that's where I wanna end it. Okay, great. Because that was so good. What, what are you working on? Where can people follow you? Shameless plug away if you want to, you don't have to. 1 (1h 29m 22s): Twitter.com/ Michael Malice, 0 (1h 29m 24s): There you go. 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