#154 He Built a SECRET WHAT Under His House?! Wildest S*x Addiction Stories

0 (0s): Do you think that most porn stars, I don't even know what you call, 'cause nobody's a star anymore. No. Can you call it acting? I don't know if you 1 (8s): Call it acting either. I did, yes sir. 'cause I did. I did the parody. So I mean, I did kill Bill. We did John Wick. 0 (16s): Her name is Bonnie Blue. Bonnie 1 (17s): Blue. And 0 (18s): She looks exactly like Lily Phillips. Yes. Who's also coming up in the game. 1 (23s): Math isn't matting. 0 (24s): It doesn't seem, it seems 40 1 (25s): Seconds. And then her story was like, I did one-on-one so they could spend more time. Like, you are so full of shit. I, 2 (30s): I wanted to give people more time. So then it went down to like one-on-ones. 1 (33s): There's no way. What is that? What I saw with the girls that were like the most extreme is 0 (40s): What was the point of marriage then? 1 (42s): Marriage was never actually religious. Actually marriage was considered a civil union. It had nothing to do with God or religion. 0 (48s): It makes a lot of practical sense. Yeah. Yeah. Titties were, I mean, out and about. Yeah. Until clothing, which was like not that long ago. 1 (56s): Japanese culture is really interesting, especially when it comes to like sex and nudity, intergenerational homes. Like people are just walking around naked. It's not a thing whatsoever. Wow. 0 (1m 4s): So you're right. No, it's way more natural to be nude than clothed. Yeah. Ashwagandha. Yeah. Energy and vitality. So it's got like, I mean, yeah, dude, it's, there's nothing, there is nothing not natural in here. All it is is distilled water. The root organic vegetable, glycerin and ashwagandha. There you go. 1 (1m 35s): Yeah. I've got all of the functional mushrooms. I'm not sure if they're doing anything, but they're supposed to. Yeah. Especially the lion's mane. It's supposed to help with, 0 (1m 42s): Oh, that's every, that's 1 (1m 43s): The rage. Prevent dementia, Alzheimer's and all of that. Psychedelic mushrooms are doing that too now. Really? Yeah. They're using psilocybin for that. Wow. Which is interesting. So 0 (1m 53s): How does that explain that? 1 (1m 55s): So the research is relatively new. Are you familiar with the Abundance 360 conference? So Peter Diamandus heads it and he, he's like this billionaire entrepreneur and he focuses on exponential technology, but not necessarily technology. How you would think of like Right. Like a camera or anything like that. Like he'll look at things like psychedelics as a technology. Yeah. Even sex as a technology. Which is interesting. And then I think it was last year when he had a researcher come, or maybe it was two years ago, first start talking about how psilocybin is like it's getting rid of the gray matter and just like making the neuro connectivity. 1 (2m 34s): Wow. Back to where it was before. The degradation. God. Which is really interesting. That's fascinating. But they're doing big doses and if you're already sick, it's like, why not? Why the fuck wouldn't you, you're 0 (2m 44s): Already on a mushroom trip with your brain degeneration. 1 (2m 47s): Right? And you're gonna die anyways. So let's do something with no side effects and see. Right. 0 (2m 53s): And is that I, can I start doing that now? I'm 1 (2m 55s): Trying to avoid these. Well, yes, it's actually, it's really good for neuroplasticity in general. So if you're doing even like micro doses randomly Yeah. It's gonna help keep your brain young. Wow. So yeah. Okay. I don't know if you do anything or if 0 (3m 6s): You're, no, I don't really do anything for my brain other than I just don't drink really at all. 1 (3m 10s): You don't? Yeah. 0 (3m 11s): But I, I need to start microdosing. I need to start like ramping up because that's one of my biggest fears is like just I already feel like I'm too slow. Like I hate it when I'm like on stage or I'm podcasting or I'm whatever. Just trying to find it. Like as a comedian, I'm trying to find the irony. I'm trying to find the angle. I'm, I need details and I can't get to it. It drives me nuts. So I'm like, imagine if I'm like forgetting who my wife is, that's how I would rather be. I'd rather be dead. Same. It's like gotta be the worst thing. Right. 1 (3m 44s): And it's like the saddest, 0 (3m 45s): Literally the saddest thing. You just become a vegetable. So yeah. I, I think I'm almost 40. I think let's start, let's start doing that. Let's start planning on how I can live another 50. 1 (3m 55s): Oh yeah. For 0 (3m 56s): For sure. Be sick. I need to see Bitcoin get to like 20 million. 1 (3m 59s): Okay, so you're in crypto too? 0 (4m 1s): Oh yeah. Oh good. Oh yeah. I'm all in. I mean, I'm not into crypto, I'm into just Bitcoin. 1 (4m 4s): Bitcoin specifically. Yeah. You're not into Ethereum or Doge Or Solan or 0 (4m 8s): Anything? No, I think most of it from what I can see is, unless there's a technology to it, like a blockchain technology, I think most of it's just gambling. I think most crypto will go away. 1 (4m 20s): I think you're safe with Ethereum though. 'cause you have That's like a network effect. Yeah. Right. Perhaps. So there's utility behind it. 0 (4m 26s): Yeah. Yeah. But I think Bitcoin is the one, it's like Michael Saylor compares it to Manhattan. Like Ethereum is Vegas. Okay. But Manhattan is Manhattan. That's, you know, when you bought it back in the day, it's now it's like at a 17,000 x from, from when the Dutch bought it from the Indians for like 20 bucks. And 1 (4m 47s): It's crazy 'cause everyone says how much of a scam it is because of the swings and like, have you looked at the swing of the dollar? Right. And it's backed on absolutely nothing as well. So it's just how much faith do people have in the mission of that and the utility of it. Yep. And there's not really anything behind the dollar except for us like threatening a bunch of countries to keep it for like the main reserve. Right. The oil reserve. Yeah. 0 (5m 7s): So, and I think that's even detrimental because I think when the more we fuck with other people's money and the more that we use the dollar as like the, the like, you know, basically like strong arming coercion. I think it just, that's good for Bitcoin. 'cause more and more countries will just either create their own reserve currencies or they'll back theirs, buy Bitcoin. So I think it all, I think everything goes to it. I really do. I think this is like when I realized that, 'cause I I, you know, with this podcast, like I, I made some money and I was like, where am I gonna put it? And then when I started really like doing the deep dive into Bitcoin, I'm like, this is like a godsend for humanity. I, I think it is. 1 (5m 47s): I think so too. Why do you think it is? 0 (5m 49s): Because it is, it's going free. It frees us from the tyranny of centralized, sorry, I gotta, lemme put my fucking, it freezes from the tyranny of centralized control from, you know, government that prints money, fiat money. And then that's, that's the big thing. But then also it, it, it creates real value, not real value. Like money is truth prices they call it in the free market, they call it. This is so boring, but I'm, I love it. They call it price discovery. Like when the real value of this coffee, you pay me because of like the, the free market is the truth. 0 (6m 33s): And when you have a government that's printing money and pumping into, pumping it into the system and you know, 12 people that sit on the, the Federal Reserve that decide where the interest rate goes, you're, you're fucking with, the truth with prices are not what the real value of things are. Right. A fiat system. So I think, you know, going back to like a hard money system like gold, which Bitcoin is like digital gold, I think that will, it just leads to a freer, more peaceful, more harmonious society where people don't have to gamble to try to stay ahead of inflation. Right. There's so many benefits to it, you know? 1 (7m 9s): Yeah. I, we got really heavy into it during 2020. And then that was the biggest when everyone was talking about like CBDC. Right. And I felt like the government was trying to see if we would mass adopt it. They did something weird with the post office. I don't know if you remember, but they were trying to give out thousand dollars worth of I think like digital currency. Like for the, I dunno what the incentive was, but I think you had to like turn something in and they'd give you a card for a thousand dollars and they wanted to see how many people would show up and actually use it. Yeah. And it's like, if you can get people to stop using cash, which everyone's not taking anymore. Right. Eventually you're gonna be pushed and forced into this place. Yeah. And then it's like, how good of a citizen were you? 1 (7m 50s): Do you get to access your account today? Right. And then you see people getting Deb banked left, right, and center. So I just see this as like a fortification against that. And then coming from my background specifically, like if, if I was still actively shooting in porn, I could be deb banked. Right. Just for a legal business. It's legal. Right. I pay a fuck ton in taxes. So it's like, if you're going to say I don't have the right to participate in society or bank, which is the same thing essentially, then I shouldn't be paying into, into my taxes. That makes zero sense. Especially because it's, it's legal. So Yeah. That's why I'm very heavy on something alternative. 0 (8m 28s): Yeah. Fuck. That's crazy. Yeah. There's nothing they can do. They've tried to, they've tried to make, they've tried to make like copycat bitcoins and they've tried to, you know, invade it. I mean it's been around for like 16 years now. They've tried to hack it and it seems pretty impervious. 1 (8m 45s): I think so too. 0 (8m 46s): So it's fucking amazing. It, it gives you like, it gives you hope. You know, you're like, technology is the savior. 'cause back in the day everybody thought, oh, technology's gonna enslave us. It has enslaved us in certain ways to extent, but I think it's gonna free us more than it, than it does like, you know, create this dystopia. 1 (9m 7s): Yeah. And part of that too, it's with the whole like enslavement or impulse control. 'cause when I was like, what do you wanna talk about today? And you're like, oh, 0 (9m 16s): Easy, 1 (9m 16s): Easy. So part of it is like these things are wildly addictive, right? Like all devices are Yeah. The solution is not to avoid it entirely, which I see a lot of parents doing right now. Their kids aren't allowed any technology whatsoever. And I think that that's gonna give them such a handicap when they're trying to integrate into society. Yeah. Like if tech's not going anywhere, it's actually gonna get way more worse. Yeah. Like, we're not gonna be able to even fathom what it's gonna be like in five years. So you, you have to teach people how to be present in your body and check what is too much and actively like walk away from the thing before it becomes a problem. Yeah. And it's not the easiest thing, but my five-year-old is, is doing it right. 1 (9m 56s): Like he's, he'll be on his iPad and he'll be like, I don't want, he calls it crazy brains. He's like, I don't want crazy brains. And he'll put it away and go outside. Fascinating. I know adults can't do that. So to me the solution is just getting more in touch with yourself and not saying that this is not a problem. 'cause it absolutely is. But yeah, it's not to completely get rid of it. It's like how do I integrate this in a healthy way Right. To where I can like moderate it. Right. Like the key is moderation. Not, 0 (10m 21s): Well that was the key back, back then was like growing up in the nineties was TV like, oh, you watch too much TV or you're, you only get TV on the weekday or weekends or something like that. Or you only get like an hour after school or something like that. And then there was always the one weird kid that didn't have tv, their family didn't have TV and they were like, what? This is fucking weird. And, and this isn't funny, but it is kind of funny. The only person in my grade, my school that didn't have tv, she ended up, she was the weirdest one. She ended up killing herself. Okay. So, and look, that's whoa. It's not funny, but it's telling maybe you don't want your kid to be too fucking socially ostracized. 1 (11m 1s): Ostracized, 0 (11m 4s): Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. But it's, it's, it's inevitable. And your kid is going to, they're gonna get it at school if you, if kids are rebel. So if you don't, if you just shun this thing from 'em, they're gonna go to school and they're gonna be all about it and yeah. They're probably gonna be end up being the, you know, the town slut. 1 (11m 21s): Yeah. I had TV and I still ended up there, so it's fine. Wow. 0 (11m 25s): Yeah. What happened? Well what this is this, welcome to the Johnny Mitchell show where I interview Candace. How old are you? 1 (11m 34s): 35. 0 (11m 35s): Okay. Okay. Well you're aging well. Thank you for all that. All that, all 1 (11m 39s): Those bad decisions. Yeah. 0 (11m 41s): Holy shit. Yeah. That's wild. Do. Okay. So do you think, because I swear to God it's like comedy. A female does porn long enough and you see her, you see her falling apart. Mm. Am I crazy about this? Am I like it? Like, because it's such a, 1 (12m 1s): I have, I'd have a theory there. So if, if you have a woman that's in porn for a really long time, like let's say she doesn't get out or evolved past it, one of my hunches would be that she didn't have a drive to do anything more. Right. So like that was enough for her. Whether it was the attention or the money or just like the lack of ability to do something else. Right. Like maybe you don't believe in yourself. Maybe you don't have a support system. Maybe you're terrible with your money and you've just blown through it. There could be a whole bunch of reasons. Yeah. Maybe there's not enough intellect there to use porn as a stepping stone to do something else. There's a whole bunch of reasons. So maybe if that's your situation and you get stuck, of course it's going to tear you down. And then you see all of these like younger replacements kind of coming in year after year. 1 (12m 44s): Right. And then you have to deal with, you know, aging on camera. Sure. There's like a whole lot that would probably go into that. Right. I don't think you should be stuck in anything for too long. Right. So, I don't know. I don't think it, it necessarily is industry dependent. So you wanna constantly be growing and evolving as a person. Sure. And wanting more out of yourself and your life. And I think what you see in any walk of life as anyone who's stuck, they start to break down. Like think of someone who's like stuck as a janitor or like stuck at some cubicle job and you just kind of see it like eating away at their soul. 0 (13m 18s): Yeah. I guess it ages people. Yeah. When they're not, when you're not happy on the inside, you're probably not taking care of yourself mentally, physically. And so yeah. You start to degenerate on the outside. 1 (13m 27s): Right. And then on top of it you have like all of the backlash from that decision that you made. Right. So there's the stress from that as well. Yeah. And then again, circling back to having to compete with younger versions of yourself. So these girls almost get a dysmorphia when they look at themselves. So they start like nipping and tucking and filling and you don't see like, it's so distorted that you just ruin everything. So sad. Yeah. 0 (13m 52s): So fucked up. Do you think that most porn stars, I don't even know what you call 'cause nobody's a star anymore. No. But that's just the word that I use. Yeah. Somebody porn. Can you call it acting? I don't know if you call 1 (14m 4s): It acting either. I did, yes sir. 'cause I did, I did the parody. So I mean I did Kill Bill, we did John Wick. Oh wow. Like what were some of the other ones? Anchor Anchorman. So I was on set for like 14 hours a day. Oh wow. Heavy dialogue, costume. I did one of the cranes like, you know, where they strap you up and you jump and do the flips. Wow. We had the stunt coordinators from the original Power Rangers that were overseeing it. So Yes, I did acting fascinating. I'm not good at it. I'm not saying like, 0 (14m 33s): Did you get the acting bug on a porn set? No. That would be fucking hilarious. That would be wild. You're like, like I need to go just I'm a thespian. 1 (14m 41s): No, no, no, no. I'm like, I'm very bad at this, but I'm just gonna larp for a little bit. Right, 0 (14m 45s): Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. But do you think, okay, so do you think most people in porn women, do you think, think most women get into porn with knowing that this is gonna be a stepping stone? 1 (14m 57s): No, certainly not. Oh no. I, I, I think there's a small percentage that hope they're gonna get like an HBO debut or something like that and it's gonna like make them the next Sandra Bullock. That is not going to happen. What it's happened once. Right. You have Sasha Gray and Right. Well, I guess and maybe Jesse Jane and obviously that didn't end well for her either. So I don't, I don't think that that's a good reason to get in. I think it's really delusional. You have to like, if you're getting into porn or you, it should be, 'cause you wanna get into porn, not 'cause you're gonna leverage it. But I think the smartest thing, it's like any other industry that's like a really short shelf life. Yeah. Or like you have to be able to use that money for something else. Right. Because it is going to dry up. 1 (15m 37s): Right. And that's why Bitcoin is amazing. Yeah. Or if you are an entrepreneur and you wanna use that to like create something else. Yeah. But you can't stay in porn. It's 0 (15m 44s): Like drug trafficking. It is like the game. No, it is. It's like hitting a lick. And if you stay in it too long, you're going to, you're gonna fall. Sounds a little bit like that, you know? That's, that makes sense. But don't you think now in the era of OnlyFans and being direct to your consumer, don't you think more you're, you're getting people in porn that are more savvy, that are more entrepreneurial than back in the day? 1 (16m 8s): I think those are the ones you see, right? Yeah. So those are the ones that are getting the most attention. What was that one girl's name that you we were texting about? 0 (16m 16s): Oh, thousand thousand Dick. Yeah. 1 (16m 19s): Which I did the math on this 'cause my brain is just, I don't know if you saw the clip. I saw the 0 (16m 24s): Clip. Yeah. 1 (16m 24s): Yeah. And I don't know what I was thinking when I was recording. I was like, I have to check 'cause this math isn't matting, it 0 (16m 29s): Doesn't seem, it seems 40 1 (16m 30s): Seconds. And then her story was like, I did one-on-one so they could spend more time. Like, you are so full of shit you did not do. Yeah. There's no way. It's not 0 (16m 38s): Possible. So I looks, her name is Bonnie Blue. Bonnie 1 (16m 40s): Blue. And 0 (16m 41s): She looks exactly like Lily Phillips. Yes. Who's also coming up in the game who both British chicks and they 1 (16m 47s): I thought they were the same person. Yeah, 0 (16m 49s): Exactly. Yeah. And so now I guess Lily Phillips is trying to do that same concept and Bonnie Blue's, like she taking my, she's taking my brand, she's taking me brand. But yeah, no, that's to me is like, that's just going the next, you're you're, to me that's What is that, 1 (17m 7s): What is that? The 0 (17m 7s): One upping? Is that psychopathy? No, fucking a thousand dudes. Yeah. What, what's, what's going on there from top to bottom? Emotionally, sociologically. 1 (17m 18s): I only have the outside looking in. I have a four year degree in psychology. So that's like nil. And then just exposure anecdotally from being in the industry. What I saw with the girls that were like the most extreme is a high level of dissociation. Right. So like out of body. Yeah. Compartmentalizing, lots of trauma. Gotta be narcissism. Absolutely. Yeah. And I don't, I, yeah, I think it's probably all of those things. Like maybe like some kind of personality disorder to some extent. Yeah. Yeah. But again, this is just like armchair quarterbacking essentially. Mm. I have never met a woman in the industry that did the extreme acts that was okay. 1 (17m 59s): And I, I just haven't, and I would always get criticized and be like, I say that I'm a hypocrite or that I'm like slut shaming or how dare I, and I think because of my position and being so close to it and in the same, the same industry, I'm, I have a valid opinion. Like my, my, yeah. It should be taken with some kind of weight. Right. Because I have experience and not all of this stuff is safe. And people, I just did a trigonometry episode, I'm getting dragged right now, which I knew was gonna happen. I do these things and I don't know why. 'cause there must be like some level of masochism that I have. But there can be sexuality with authenticity, even if it's excessive or what some people would say is excessive. 1 (18m 40s): And for everyone, you have to identify your reason why you're doing it. Right. And not everyone's why is the same. So I mean, if you have these girls that are doing really unsafe acts, I have the right to call that out because you are jeopardizing the health of other people when you reenter an industry and you're shooting with other people. Right. Right. Like if you're sleeping with civilians and they're not tested. I know, I hate that. It's called civilians. It is. I didn't make it up, so don't come at me for that term. But you're sleeping with all of these people that are untested. You come back into the industry and then you get other people sick. Right. That's not okay. 0 (19m 11s): Oh, so those, a lot of those dudes were not in the industry. 1 (19m 14s): I No. For the, the thousand. Yeah. No, no. She's like getting like freshly 18-year-old boys. And I always say if like, if you wouldn't be okay with a man doing something, you shouldn't be okay with a woman doing it. So like we would say a man is a predator. Right. And he's like all of these things, if he's going after a freshly 18-year-old girl, right. Like, this man would be dragged for it. But if a woman's doing it, it's okay. 'cause lucky, lucky him. And it's like, no men can experience sexual trauma too. And it's actually, I think it's a little bit worse because if the guy's super young and he's with a much older woman, it's like giving him a false idea of what that relationship dynamic is gonna be for. And then now that power structure is inverted and that's gonna probably continue on right. Into manhood for him. 1 (19m 54s): Right. You know what I 0 (19m 55s): Mean? So I, as a casual porn fan, I, I'm just gonna speak for men. When we look at a woman like Bonnie Blue taking a thousand dicks, well do your thing. Yeah. But don't tell me you're okay. Yeah. Like don't, don't go on a podcast and say, oh yeah, my parents are just fine with it. Have you noticed that every stripper you talk to, every porn star, ex porn star, whatever you talk to is like, oh yeah, my parents love what I do. They love that. I No, shut up. Shut up. Yeah. Just tell me you're a wreck on the inside and we'll keep it pushing. Like, I don't know why that is. Like men, men get very angry at porn stars or women in the sex industry because for a myriad reasons. 0 (20m 43s): But sexual frustration, I don't think is the top, is the top of it. Like I think, I think it's like they look at it as easy money. They're like, why is this person like getting away with this? That's what, that's what I, I, I, maybe that's how I feel. Mm. But I think that's probably a lot of men feel that way too. Well that, 1 (21m 2s): That would track. And I would, my pushback to that would be, if you look at the numbers, which they don't lie. There's 5 million creators on OnlyFans. People get like, they're like creating, you are creating content. Like it or not, they're making, it's still creating. So there's about 5 million of them. Something like 90% of them are barely breaking a thousand dollars a month. So like they think it's easy money. And I get, I got told recently by like a really prominent podcaster social person. It was all off camera. And he is like, well you kind of took the shortcut. Right. And I was kind of my, it kind of took my breath away for a second. 'cause like, you don't realize what I've done with my brand and what I've done financially is like 0.1%. 1 (21m 42s): Yeah. 0.1% is, it was not the shortcut. I'm still paying for it now. You know, that decision, that was almost a decade ago. So it certainly wasn't a shortcut. Most women when they get in, and probably the same for men. Yeah. They leave worse off financially than before they got in. 0 (21m 57s): Is that just because Yeah. Mismanagement, you know, not getting money fast and not having Right. Not knowing any, not knowing 1 (22m 6s): Financial, what to do with literacy, financial 0 (22m 8s): Literacy, there we go. Essentially. Yeah. And then maybe drug addiction. 1 (22m 11s): Right. And then it could, it, there wasn't a ton of drugs. At least not that I saw. I'm, I've never really done anything. I got into psychedelics after I got out, but I've never done anything really recreationally. So even the psychedelics were always facilitated by like a shaman or a facilitator of some sort. Right. I didn't see a ton of it, but what I did see is girls would get a paycheck, they didn't understand how tax taxes worked, so they thought, this is all of mine. Yeah. Go buy a Louie bag. Which it's like, because they all wanna compete and then they end up at the end of tax season and they're like, oh, you owe this. And they're like, what do you mean? What's that? Yeah. And now all of their wages are getting garnished. Right. So now they're shooting scenes, they're having sex and not even getting paid because the whole check is getting taken and then on and on it goes. 1 (22m 54s): Yeah. 0 (22m 54s): Yeah. Well, yeah. No, it's sounds exactly like a rapper or a drug dealer or something like that. Yeah. God. Yeah. It's really, okay, good. So now I can feel better. Yeah. Bonnie Blue is gonna be a wretch. 1 (23m 7s): Well she is probably making a ton of money. Is my, is my guess fair. Yeah. 0 (23m 11s): Yeah. I think, yeah, I, I just, the problem I guess is normalizing it. If you normalize that too much, maybe it obfuscates the fact that somebody that would go do that has just got enormous trauma in her past sexual abuse and you know what I mean? Like, we all kind of laugh and becomes part of the zeitgeist. Like they tell, Joe Rogan probably mentioned, he was like, oh yeah, I heard this lady had sex with a thousand dudes in in one shoot. But like Yeah. To go do that, it's not natural. Something has gone horribly awry. 1 (23m 46s): Yeah. And that's the one thing, for some reason, there's this push to normalize abnormal behavior. Yeah. So I have no issue with looking at, at porn as abnormal or like the being comfortable in that scenario is being abnormal. It absolutely is. And I think that that doesn't inherently make it wrong just because it's abnormal. Mm. But the solution isn't to normalize it either. Right. Right. So you, you said something on one of your podcasts that I was watching and it was someone who was like making the assumption that you came from a broken home where like had really shitty parents and like what would lead you down this road to, to like smuggle drugs. Right. Right. And you're like, no, I just like, I wanted to be different. Like I wanted like kind of like this romantic romanticization romanticization. 1 (24m 30s): You got it. Yeah. It's clearly close of like being of like being an outlaw. Right. Right. And I think that that is some personality types is you do wanna be on the outskirts of for sure of like civilized society. And there is something really alluring to that. And the solution to that isn't to say like, oh, everyone should start dealing drugs and working for the cartel. Like, no, that shouldn't be normal. But there are gonna be certain people that that is where they wanna exist and Yes. And thrive. 0 (24m 54s): And they'll just find whatever that is in their time and their place and their environment that is outside of that. So kids now it might be like skateboarding. Right? Right. Like the back in the nineties, that was like, skateboarding was like outlawed in public places. And it was like, you know, that was like the rebel way to do things. And now, like if you were on the outside, if if I were a young man coming up now, smuggling drugs, weed, that's not even like a racket anymore. So I would, I would have to find something. It wouldn't even be an option. So I would just be off into doing something else. Probably making YouTube videos. That's what I'd be doing at 18 if I was 18 today. 0 (25m 35s): So yeah, it's all so, and, and porn is probably, I don't know, it, it's probably the same thing. Like it's just a lot more accessible now to make content. And so yeah. Whatever that is in a young woman, it just, you know, you have more people getting into it. 1 (25m 52s): Yeah. And I always say like, I think the age of entry should be raised to 25. I think 18 is entirely too young. I think 21 is still young 0 (26m 0s): On OnlyFans 1 (26m 1s): Porn in general. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think if you're a hundred percent 0 (26m 4s): Yes. 1 (26m 4s): It's just your brain's not done. You're 0 (26m 6s): Fucking baby at 21. Yeah. Remember seeing a picture of yourself now at 21, you are like, 1 (26m 9s): Oh my god. Yeah. 0 (26m 11s): I was small. Yes. Like I, I was, well no, I was six foot six, but I was, I weighed about a buck 10 and I had no facial hair. And I was like, wow, this was the kid that was like taking crazy risks. 1 (26m 24s): When did you start like 0 (26m 26s): Selling drugs? Yeah. Getting in the street. Yeah. Like 17. Whoa. 1 (26m 29s): Young. 0 (26m 30s): But I didn't really, but it took me years. Like I didn't really start, you know, making a living off of it until I was about 21, 22. And then by 24, that's when I was like a millionaire. Mm. Wow. But it was, I put in my time For sure. 1 (26m 46s): So I heard you say that it wasn't violent or your experience wasn't really violent. Not really. Not really. So how did you, how did you manage all of those years and to get to the level that you did without having to experience violence? I dated this guy and he was also part of, partially just retarded, but he was selling weed at weight and there was a lot of violence. Like a lot. 0 (27m 5s): Yeah. Well I think, I mean, we got robbed and stuff. Yeah. Like, I remember I was like 17 years old, I, I would have like $10 bags of weed and black guys at my school. Older kids would just jack me sometimes. And I'm like, well I can either go be violent or just swallow it, make it up and keep it moving. And that's usually what we did. So, you know, we got robbed at gunpoint. Yeah, he 1 (27m 30s): Did too. 0 (27m 32s): We got, 1 (27m 32s): That's violent. That definitely Right. Yeah. I guess it is 0 (27m 34s): Violent. 1 (27m 34s): That is violent. Yeah. Good point. 0 (27m 36s): I guess we did rob people too at gunpoint. We did that, which I'm not proud of. That's kinda what, when I went to prison I was kind of glad like thinking about that because I never got caught for like, shit that could've put me away for like 10 years. Yeah. Like talking about like tying people up, you know, that's kidnapping charge plus armed robbery and shit like that. So, so I was like, okay, I'm repaying my karma now. Yeah. Even though I probably shouldn't be in prison for selling weed. I've done stuff like I deserve this. But no, it was, I realized very quickly, I'm like, if you have the best product at the lowest price, you remove violence because you move up in the hierarchy so quickly that you stop dealing with lower level people and you deal only with bosses and with, when there's hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake, like I guess somebody could rob me, but I'm giving them, I'm giving them weight at the best price. 0 (28m 32s): So it's, they're, they're gonna eat once and then, and then what? Yeah. So that's kind of how like we insulated ourselves was always being, always trying to just deal with the, the people that were money driven. So Yeah. But yeah, there's always violence at the lower levels, especially back in the day. And I remember sending, I remember I sent five pounds to this guy on the East coast and he gave it to somebody who ended up getting like murdered. Whoa. So I think about that now and I'm like, yeah, I felt bad. Like I feel bad, but that's why drugs just, that's why you shouldn't, they shouldn't be legal, illegal, you know what I mean? Yeah. 1 (29m 7s): The 0 (29m 8s): On that. Yeah, 1 (29m 9s): Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever read Chasing the Scream by Johan Harra? So it's kind of, it's a brief history of the war on drugs and essentially how the United States is directly responsible for all of the violence that we're seeing and the cartels being as powerful as they are right now. And it's crazy. I was looking up to see how many states that weed was legal in recreationally and it's still only 24, which I thought was really shocking. Yeah. For, for recreational use. And then it was like another of that of all of the 50 34 are like medical medicinal. 0 (29m 42s): Yeah. 1 (29m 43s): But it's, and I, that's crazy. Yeah. And I'm in North Carolina and none of it's legal. None of it's legal. Right. None of it's legal. And it's like, I don't understand how, and then you'll pass by all these tobacco farms. You're like, but that's okay. Right, right. Or we have all this grain and liquor and that's okay. But we know, so it's gotta be pretty infuriating to go to jail for something that is, I mean, at least it's half legal essentially. 0 (30m 3s): Yeah. Well back then, so I got locked up in 2010, so it was still fully illegal. Yeah. You know, but that's the reason I got into it. Like, I very quickly reminded myself when I, when I got locked up, I'm like, well, this is the reason you're here. The reason you're here is because the laws allowed you to make all this money. So it was part of the game. So I didn't feel too bad for myself, you know, because it's like that's, I wouldn't have played the game if it wasn't high stakes because then there wouldn't be the money that you were capable of making. So it was kind of a two way street. So the drug dealers and the cops are all in on it, and the politicians we're all in it together. Like, we all want the drugs to be illegal. 0 (30m 42s): Especially back then we were like, fuck, we hope they don't change the laws. Like we, I talked to my partner about that. I'm like, we gotta hurry up and get these millions before they change the laws. Yeah. Like, nobody wanted drugs to be legal because we all knew what that would mean. So that's the reason that it's taking so long, even in 2025. It's because there's all these people that get paid off the war on drugs, you know, from the DEA to their secretaries, to the Department of Justice, all these lawyers that they staff to incarcerate people. So it's, it's yeah. From the corrections officers, the Bureau of Prisons. Right. So everybody Yeah. They're just, it's the redistribution of tax money. 0 (31m 24s): That's all the federal government is, is just passing your tax money around to each other. So nobody wants that to end 1 (31m 30s): Well. Yeah. 'cause prisons racket as well, which I learned, I mean even just maybe a year or two ago, and I think it was like that orange is the new black that kind of shed some light on how corrupt that system is. Yeah. And how it's an industry just like anything else. And an industry needs customers. Yeah. So we need a certain amount of people behind bars, which is so sick to think about. 0 (31m 51s): It's sick. My buddy has a business where all he does, he's a federal contractor and all he does is contract with federal prisons to get them whatever trays of food, forks, napkins, toilet paper. And I'm like, your business wouldn't exist if you didn't have this artificial illegality around drugs. That's what, you know, 80% of federal inmates are in there for. That is crazy. Probably something like that. Se 70, at least 1 (32m 20s): 70, 80%. So like nonviolent, just like drugs. Yeah. Essentially. 0 (32m 23s): Wow. And, and when you look at the people that are in there for drugs, probably 80% of that 80% is marijuana. 1 (32m 30s): That should be so unacceptable. Yeah. 0 (32m 33s): E even now you can look this up, but I'm gonna throw some math out there and I bet it's true of the, of the illegal drug drug trafficking, drug consumption. I swear to fuck it's probably 3% is hard drugs. Meth, crack cocaine, crystal meth. I already said that. Heroin, fentanyl. I bet It's like, it's a sliver. So, and I've heard XDE agents tell me they're like, the reason they don't make marijuana legal is because if you made marijuana fully legal, it would not, the, the, the illegal drugs that would be remaining, the budgets wouldn't justify it. 0 (33m 14s): Mm. In other words, they would've nobody, they wouldn't have enough people to go after. So even though your city, even though downtown Austin, downtown LA look like, wow, everybody's on fentanyl. It's actually a very small percentage when you look at the whole country. 1 (33m 28s): So instead of it being punishment based, then why don't you reallocate those resources to something that's more rehabilitation based? So if you're like, instead of going after this, if it's say, 3% hard drugs that are like destroying society or individual's life, and instead of going after that and saying, let's just put you behind bars. How, how about like, train these people to help get those people clean? 0 (33m 50s): Yeah. I mean that's what everybody's been saying for years now. It's not working. You gotta, but you gotta incarcerate these people too. Or you gotta figure out you can't have them 1 (34m 1s): Like a fentanyl addict out. Yeah. 0 (34m 2s): Yeah. You can't have these homeless camps. I just moved from LA to here and I see the same shit. I'm like, 1 (34m 7s): Yeah. It's like starting here. Yes. 0 (34m 9s): Yeah. It's really crazy. Every freeway overpass, every major intersection. Yep. You, you gotta, and these people, they, nobody wants to voluntarily go to jail to clean up. I get it. So you gotta arrest them. You have to arrest 'em. You have to put 'em into like, institutions that are humane. But it's, it's less humane keeping 'em out on the street. So, which 1 (34m 33s): No one wants to say for some reason. That's like a huge liberal argument. And then they'll go as far to say, well we need to change the name to the unhoused. 'cause that's really making a, a dent. Yeah. That's making a dent. Yeah. 0 (34m 42s): Let's, let's do 1 (34m 43s): That. But we're pretending that it's humane and it's okay to have them like shitting on the street Yeah. Shooting up on the street, sleeping there. Right. And then ha like even worse. So second order of effect is having a mom with her kids have to step over that person while they're walking them to school. Yeah. But that, she deserves that. Right. 'cause she's in a place of privilege. It's like you guys aren't thinking about the whole picture whatsoever. And none of this is compassionate. 0 (35m 3s): America just can't, we just can't get a happy medium in anything. We just overcorrect. So 1 (35m 11s): Yeah. With the prison system and like the rehabilitation system. Have you seen, is this Michael Moore, that guy that does like the documentaries? So he did, he was looking at one of the Scandinavian prisons and I think it's on an island. So it's remote. It's not connected to anything. But you would think that it was like a four star retreat. It's like a beautiful cottage. Yeah. The inmates have sharp knives, they have responsibilities, they're cooking. Yeah. They have a lot of freedom. They're not wearing uniforms and their reintegration rate is puts at ours to shame. Yeah. And these are murders like, like violent, violent criminals. Right. And they're allowed to again, like have what you would consider like a weapon. 1 (35m 52s): Right. 0 (35m 53s): The deadly weapon. Right. 1 (35m 54s): And they're, there's nothing happening. Those jails, everyone's getting along and then they reintegrate into society without a problem. And shouldn't that be the purpose? And it, I 0 (36m 3s): Yeah. Yeah. I'll never happen here. 1 (36m 6s): It do you think because of how our society is like Yeah. Just socially we're cultural so 0 (36m 10s): Different culturally. Culturally we're so different. We, we have to, has to be punishment. Like if you killed my mother, I can't have this guy on, on an island fucking making five course meals and, and, and getting sun, you know, and, and living essentially like we, we don't want that. We want like half punishment. He's gotta do at least 15 getting his butt cheeks busted open. You know what I mean? And then we can reintegrate him. But that's how we see it as Americans. It's, it's, it's like a Judeo-Christian. It's, we have that Old Testament religion in us from the formation. So we, we have to have punishment. 0 (36m 50s): Most people whose, whose fucking, and that's a low vibration by the way. Yeah. Like, you should, you should realize that you're not gonna feel better just because somebody kills your loved one and now you're watching that person be executed. You're not gonna feel better long term. No. But Americans just aren't there yet. Most people whose loved ones are murdered, they want that person to get the death penalty, which is wild. So Yeah. I just think they're more, they're more evolved. We, we will get there, but it's gonna be a long fucking time. And we have so many different cultures. This is like a, it's a melting pot. There's so much violence in the society. Yeah. I just don't see, it's just easier to do that in a Scandinavian country 'cause it's so homogenous. 1 (37m 34s): But they came from Vikings too, so they know violence. Yeah. Just as much as anyone else originally. Yeah, 0 (37m 40s): I know. Good point. But they all kind of roll in unison, the, the mindset. It's like, you know, 1 (37m 46s): More tribal, like Yep. 0 (37m 48s): Yep. And somebody gets outta the, goes outside of the norms of the tribe. It's like we put him over here and make him better so he can come back into the tribe. And it's just, everybody's rolling in the same direction. And the us man, it's just, this is just a, the US is like a, it's a money grab. It's kind of sad. But this people, immigrants come here to make money so they can go back to where they came from. This started as a place from, from the, you know, people in England that wanted to come here to get land. So to pretend anything else is just to, to be ignorant of history. So there's, everybody's going in a different direction and there's just very little, I don't know if there's ever been real solidarity in America. 0 (38m 32s): Maybe during, after World War II or during World War ii, but other than that it's been f it's been torn apart by different ethnic groups just trying to get a foothold. 1 (38m 43s): Yeah. And then that's kind of counter to the main argument, which is like, our diversity is our strength, but at the same time, it's also the thing that makes it impossible for us to be one cohesive thing. Mm. Yep. When everything is so different. And even when we, so like, I guess when right before America was even like technically founded, they, one of the kings, I think it was like King James had sent the puritans over here with what they would call the others. So the others were like the normal people, but the Puritans thought they were better than everyone else. And they were insanely pious and very, very strict. And that goes into like a lot of the punishment based reality that we still live in. And a lot of the shame around sex that we still experience. And it's amazing. I'm reading this book called The Killing of the Witches. 1 (39m 24s): It's by Bill O'Reilly. And it's where I'm learning a lot of this stuff. Like for example, marriage was never actually religious. So when you see these people that are like, marriage is between a man and a woman, and it is like, it's for God and like they're just anti-gay everything. Yeah. Right. It's like actually marriage was considered a civil, like a civil union. It had nothing to do with God or religion for a very long time. Not till the 12th century. So there was only two religious practices. One was baptism and the other one was communion. That was it. So 0 (39m 51s): What was the point of marriage then? 1 (39m 53s): It was financial. Yeah. So it was just like financial then also like duty bound relationships between different families. So if like, this family has something and this family has something and together that makes more sense. It's Yeah. It's like a partnership. Partnership essentially. Yeah. 0 (40m 8s): It makes a lot of practical sense. Yeah. To 1 (40m 10s): Be married. So that's all it was. 0 (40m 11s): Wow. Fox News is Bill O'Reilly. Yeah. Wrote 1 (40m 14s): This different one. I think. I think it's a, i I think it's a different bill. 0 (40m 18s): I'm like, wow, that's really out of Bill O'Reilly's wheelhouse. I know. 1 (40m 21s): I thought the same thing. I think it's a, it has to be a different bill. There was no picture on it. But yeah, it's, it's amazing that things from that long ago still have their roots and how much of our behavior exists today. Yeah. And I always get back to like, you have to ask yourself why are we more fundamentally okay with violence than we are with sex or nudity? So you can have a mass shooting scene or super gruesome scene in a film. It'll get a PG 13 score if you have even non-sexual based nudity. So just like a nude scene that's not sex based at all or sexualized, that's automatically an R or an NC 17. Right. And why, like, why is that? So like, I'm part Japanese. 1 (41m 2s): Japanese culture is really interesting, especially when it comes to like sex and nudity. 'cause sex is heavily censored. Right. Like everything's pixelated. And I think that's also why a lot of, like, their porn is so weird because of their's such high censorship, but nudity is very normal. So you'll go to like bath houses for example, or, or in intergenerational homes. Like people are just walking around naked. It's not a thing whatsoever. Wow. No one bats an eye. So it, I just, I don't know, it's just interesting to me because you have a choice. If you have free will, you have a choice and you can say, do I wanna keep these these things or not? And does this make sense for me? Hmm. But everyone just so blindly steps into like all sex is bad, all nudity is bad. None of it could possibly be art. People are trying to obviously get it out of the, the First Amendment and say like, we need to like Nick, like all of this was a mistake. 1 (41m 47s): I think it was Miller versus California and then Larry Flint versus the people. Right. 0 (41m 51s): Well I remember seeing my grandma's titties accidentally when I was like 12 years old. Yeah. And because yeah, I think, I think maybe her bush too, she was like putting on her bathing suit. We were all like, I was at, we were at her house and we were all gonna go into the pool and Yeah. I'm glad I don't have to see that walking around. You know what I mean? That would be, that would be horrendous. 1 (42m 11s): But if you were used to it, you wouldn't think of anything. Sure. Like you would probably ask a question when you're, when you're little. Right. 'cause the kids are inquisitive, but after you, your answers or after your questions were answered, you'd move on and be normal. Yeah. 0 (42m 23s): Yeah. Titties were, I mean, out and about Yeah. Until clothing, which was like not that long ago, a thousand years ago in Europe. Yeah. I mean they were swinging tits and, and, and hammer in South America. Like until the fucking, the Spanish came. So you're right. No, it's way more natural to be nude than clothed biologically. Can we say that? Yeah, 1 (42m 45s): I would say so, 0 (42m 46s): But yeah. But look, I have a shitty body, so I'm very happy to fucking put on clothes, you know what I mean? Like it's what makes me attractive is the fact that I can fucking look half Okay. You know what I mean? In these clothes that make me look bulky. Right, 1 (42m 59s): Right. Yeah. Just add layers. It's good. Yeah, 0 (43m 2s): Exactly. It works out. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. When did, so yeah, I have so many questions. I should probably have you on my podcast, but, so I'm about to, I'm gonna go to a sex addict meeting later. You told, I heard a, saw a clip, heard a clip, heard you talking about sex addiction. You were saying that porn, they haven't found any evidence that watching porn causes sex addiction. 1 (43m 27s): So sex, am 0 (43m 28s): I misquoting? 1 (43m 29s): It's not an exact quote, but you're on like you're very close. Okay. So there sex, sex addiction and porn addiction is not a thing. So that, that phrase is coined by religious groups. It's not recognized by neuroscientists, psychologists, the DSM five or the who. And I know like there's issues with all of those things. Nothing is perfect. Right. Like the DSM took, or the DSM five took gender dysphoria out, for example as a mental disorder. So it's not a perfect model. Right. And I'm not saying that these aren't issues for people 'cause they absolutely are. It would be, it would me being like just a moron or lying through my teeth if I said that people don't struggle with use. But what it's called, it's sexual compulsion compulsion disorder. 1 (44m 13s): Yeah. Right. And it's different. And I think the distinction is, is important because if you use the term addiction, you're, you're implying like a change in neurochemistry that is, that is unique and also is going to increase over time. Like your usage is going to be, your usage is going to increase what you're gonna need. Your tolerance is gonna go down or I'm sorry, go up. And the chemistry that happens when you're watching porn or having sex, well sex is much more than porn, but the dopamine is very similar to like eating or gambling for example. Okay. 0 (44m 48s): So it's not like no drinking or doing coke or something 1 (44m 51s): Like No, no, no. Not even close. Okay. And both of those things, gambling and eating, even though people have an addictive quality to them, they're not considered addictions either. Fascinating. So it's, it's a compulsion issue. It's a delayed gratification issue. Ah. Very similar to kind of like OCD tenancy. So it's not saying it's not a problem 'cause it is. Yeah. But I think it's important to understand the root cause of the issue so that you can actually fix it. Right. Right. So if you have someone that's religiously, that has a religious end point that they're trying to get to, right. Like whether it's a like shame. They want, they very much wanna make porn illegal. You can't, you can't trust them as honest actors. Right. Like their, their goal isn't to make you better. 1 (45m 33s): It's to actually make this thing censored and illegal. Right. So I would be very cautious of anyone that says like addiction. 'cause it's just, it's not. And then I think the way that you're gonna treat it is gonna be different. 0 (45m 43s): Okay. I think maybe they just call it addiction because it's, I'm not sure. I, I think in the program it's essentially just alcoholics anonymous. Like, but you've replaced the word alcohol with sex. I mean it's all, it's almost the same kind of program. Maybe that's the reason that it's, it's called an addiction. But you're right. It's just a compulsion. I'm not sure that that's any different though than drug the compulsion to use drugs. 1 (46m 9s): Well there's no withdrawal symptoms. Right. So that's pretty big. 0 (46m 12s): Okay. So is there not, because I've heard that, I've heard people talk at these meetings and it just fucking boggles your mind 'cause you're like, that's a fucking thing. But I, I dated some fucked up girl, you know, in the past that told me like when she was like going clean from dating, not dating, not, yeah, it was basically dating and talking to multiple men. She told me that she described withdrawal symptoms. But do you think that's just her being just a bitch? 1 (46m 39s): I think it could be like just being a, I think it, it's 0 (46m 43s): Dramatic. 1 (46m 43s): Well that like needing attention from multiple people at the same time and constantly dating. I think that's more personality disorder. Especially with a woman. Yeah. That would be my guess. Okay. But like imagine if you have really bad OCD or a tick and you're someone that has to flick the light switch seven times before you enter a room. Someone says you can't do that. You have to walk in and they're trying to basically flood you, like use flooding therapy and kind of push you way beyond your threshold. Right. You are going to have that itch, like that tension, I need to do this thing. And you could probably say that's similar or akin to a withdrawal symptom, but it's not because withdrawal is gonna have physiological effects. Like, not just like a mental effect. So I think it's more psychosomatic and I think that's where it gets really tricky. So it's like, do we ask the question, do we need to change what addiction means? 1 (47m 26s): Like do we need to change the parameters of what? Right. And that I would be on board with. But I think right now, because there's dishonest actors that are saying this is absolutely addictive, they compare porn to heroin. That's not true. No. At all. There is no evidence whatsoever. Is it altering your brain chemistry? Absolutely. But so is scrolling on TikTok. Right? So if you're gonna compare the behavior of a man that's over consuming porn to someone that's over consuming any kind of social tech, it's gonna be very similar. So if you have different answers or if you have different critiques of the same behavior and one only applies because it's sexually based, well then that's actually like a, that's like a morally charged argument. 1 (48m 8s): Right. If I sit there and I watch eight hours worth of the desperate Housewives. Right. Right. And I don't move off my sofa, I it's affecting my relationships. Yeah. It's affecting my work. I become depressed and it's having the same neurological effects. Are you going to say, I need to go to a meeting? Right. And that I'm negatively affecting society or only if it's porn. Right. Great point. So then you have to ask yourself why point. Great 0 (48m 31s): Point. Yeah. Yeah. I I, I hear some of these stories and it just sounds like people like in these meetings, like, dude, okay, there was this fucking guy. He told no joke. I mean, it's hilarious. I have to like, I have to swallow like screaming in hysterical laughter. Well, like I have to leave the room sometimes when I hear these stories. Like some guy said he's like addicted to fucking online scammers. He said he's addicted to meeting women on in like chat rooms and they ask him to for money and then he like drains his bank account for them. He said 1 (49m 6s): Sodom kind of. Yeah. But that's like a whole Yeah. 0 (49m 10s): You sweetheart. You sweetheart. That is the most adorable fucking addiction I've ever heard. Aw. But it's fucked up because like sad. They're ruined. Yeah, they're ruined. So I don't know what that is, but I heard a guy. But back to like the porn specifically. This guy said, it was like a fucking bunker he built underneath his house and he was married like un to, to hide from his wife. He went into his closet and he built like a trap door leading into a small room in his house, and he had like screens, like a day trader, like a stockbroker all over the place. And he would go down there and he would just get lost in like the numb of the screen. 0 (49m 52s): Right. And the porn, that does sound a lot like somebody that just can't get off TikTok. Yeah. You know, like we all have a friend who just like compulsively, you go to, you go to reels and you just start doing that. So I think that's just, I think the porn is just the, you know, the more charged, kind of dedicated version of just being addicted to the screens. 1 (50m 18s): Yeah. 0 (50m 19s): I don't know. What do you think? I mean, 1 (50m 20s): Yeah, no, I think a lot of it's the screen. I think a lot of it is, it's the same with, and the parallel is kind of scary, and I dunno if it's even accidental, but it's kind of like a lot of the new age kids content that they're watching, it's so overstimulating with color sounds, screenshots. Right. If you compare like a nineties Disney movie, for example, the frame is very still for at least 10 seconds before it does a transition. Right. And now it's like every second. Yeah. There's like a new scene. And that is to keep your brain hooked. Right. So the algorithm Exactly. And then they know exactly where they want your eyes to move so that you stay on the longest. I think porn is no different. Right. It it's a business. Right. So they want you there the longest where it, it sounds like more of an epidemic than it is because you have so many people that are using it for clickbait. 1 (51m 6s): And a lot of people also have their own ideology attached to it is they think everyone is over consuming and that it's really like degrading society as a whole. The stats are there and they're available. The average user goes on two or three times a week for two minutes at a time. That is the average porn consumer. Yeah. That is not affecting anything. And then when you take into consider into consideration the libido gap or the sex gap that most couples have within their relationship dynamic, most women are not meeting their men's physical needs. Right. They just, they, their interest is different. I'm not blaming women, like we're biologically different. Our cycles are different, but men are using this as a tool to just fill that gap. Yeah. So if you're telling me that on average like six to nine minutes a week is affecting anything detrimentally, I would say probably not. 1 (51m 52s): Well, 0 (51m 52s): I have the thing where like when I get into a relationship, like I quickly lose like sexual interest in the person. Okay. Even though I think there's sexual chemistry at the beginning and it's horrible and I feel terrible and like all I want to do is go run out and fuck something else. And, which is so fucked up. But like, I remember my last relationship, I felt that like I physi, I physiologically felt that. I was like, oh my God, I wanna, and, and you know, it's combined with like being on Instagram and, and you know, being in people's dms and stuff like that. But so what do you call that if that's not an addiction? Like, like it's a compulsion, it's selfish and it's, it's all these other character traits, these negative character traits. 0 (52m 37s): Certainly. But like, is that not being exacerbated by watching porn? 1 (52m 43s): I think, I don't think it's porn. Again, I think if everything is porn is the easy scapegoat for everything. Right? It's the easy thing to blame all of these ailments on What I hear is just like lack of discipline, lack of delayed gratification. An overabundance of options that we've never had before. Right. So like think if you go to a buffet table, like you're at the win, right? Like Right. The best buffet that you could possibly go to. And there's so many options and you almost get analysis paralysis because it's like, I want this, I want this, and my stomach can't contain it. All right. And is the whole, your eyes are bigger than your stomach. Right. And I don't think, I think that that's very similar to what is happening with sexual appetite. So it's not necessarily porn. I think it's also you have a massive social media following. 1 (53m 24s): Yeah. It's gonna be on Instagram too. Right? Right. Because there's all of these beautiful things that look delicious and you want all of them. Yeah. And you're like, how do I just pick one? So, and maybe 0 (53m 33s): I wasn't just that maybe I need to choose a woman who's like, I'm super sexually attracted to first. Yeah. And then fall in love with a personality. Well, 1 (53m 43s): Attraction is huge and I think that it, people will write it off as shallow, but there's something really important there. And I think a lot of stuff that maybe we don't even understand if, maybe even like how you guys would make a baby together. And like the part of that attraction is that that person is gonna give you the healthiest, most biodiverse baby. So not all of it's just like shallow. She's got a small waist and nice hips thing. I think there's a lot that we don't still understand about it. So yeah. You have to lead with attraction if you're not initially attracted. I don't see, 0 (54m 10s): Well, I thought I was attracted and we don't have to get too in the weeds about it, but Yeah. I mean, that's a thing is I think I'm attracted to them because it's a combination of who they are as a person and, and all that stuff. I'm like, wow, this is the, this person, this is like the perfect person for me. And then two months into it I'm like, oh 1 (54m 30s): Fuck. Like bored. 0 (54m 32s): Yeah. Or it's like, oh, I guess I'm not, I don't like that about their face. And it's probably just bad dating habits. It's probably like, I talked to a shrink and he was like, you should probably date these people. Like, you fall too fast. It becomes too serious, too fast. You know, 1 (54m 49s): Keep the mystery a little bit. 0 (54m 51s): Yeah. And also like, yeah, it's just tough. 'cause women, when women really like you, they just wanna like, they just want to get married right away. And then you kind of fall for that. And you know, a man really has to set the pace. Yeah. In my opinion of the progress of a, a relationship or if it's just dating. 1 (55m 7s): No, I agree with that. So yeah. And then part of it too, 0 (55m 11s): Fuck, I can't believe I'm porn. That sucks. No, 1 (55m 13s): I, no, that's just, No, it's, no, I don't think, I don't think porn is just, again, it's, it's a symptom. It's not the root cause. Right. So you gotta like get down to the more deep, like meaningful stuff. And then if you're getting bored a lot, I think honestly maybe part of it is just it's not the right person. And understanding that some people just aren't, your person is also Okay. Okay. Right. There's like this sunken cost fallacy that so many of us will do. And it's like, well, I've dated them for this long, I've put in all this effort. Yeah. We've spent this much money. Like, let's try to fix it. Yeah. But sometimes it's just not the right person. Right. And then sometimes it's like you just have to see how deep you can go with one person. So I think a lot of what loses that attraction is we just f we think we have that person figured out and they're boring to us. 1 (55m 56s): Like, we don't look at them with new eyes anymore. So it's like, what can I do to see like the depth of this person or the novelty of this person? Yeah. And there's always more you can do. Like my longest relationship was like 15 years and like, I, like there was still more to like, know about each other. You know what I mean? And it takes a lot of intention. I think the beginning is so easy and whimsical and effortless that you expect that to carry forward. But eventually you actually have to put in work to like, have that curiosity stay alive. Yep. 0 (56m 27s): And you're right, it's what I lacked is discipline and just my business had just taken off and so much was going on and I was so stressed out that that was like the fourth most important thing. And yeah, when you're, when you're doing that and you're on the road doing comedy and you're, you're not sleeping right. And you're just driven by money and, and fame, which leads to money. I don't care about fame that much. I just care about like the bottom line. Yeah. Like, like you're gonna be vulnerable to like cheating and you're not gonna just, you're not gonna show up for the person. So, 1 (57m 3s): Well a lot of that too, it's like what you're describing is just like an immature masculine, right? Yeah. It's not bad, it's just, it's not all the way kind of refined yet. Yep. So sexuality and so watching porn or having these beautiful girls that are on Instagram are coming to your shows or whatever, there's, everything is kind of, it's like very polarizing. It's like you either have to have sex with that and recognize like, the sexuality of it and the attraction of it given to it, or abstain entirely when I think the answer is, and a lot of this is through like David D's work. I don't know if you've read read. Yeah. His books are amazing. I like think every single person should read the wave of the superior. Man. I need to, I need to 0 (57m 42s): Reread it. 1 (57m 42s): Yeah. Amazing. But enlightened sex is really good. Like all, all of 'em are amazing. But it's, as a man, as a mature man, you should be able to understand that sexual energy is creative energy. Right. So you can take that, transmute it into something more powerful, which is creation and business. Right. Love for your family and friends. Like you can cr use that for something else. So you see a beautiful woman appreciate it. Take it in. But like, don't take it like, don't, like don't take from her, use it as a charge. 0 (58m 10s): I've jerked off, I've spilled so much biz data that David data and I've got this far. It's a, it's wild. I've jacked off so much. It is wild that I've made it this far. So that's why I'm going to these meetings. This is a great transition. You're killing it. Okay, thanks. This is, this is the reason I'm going to these sexual compulsion meetings is I, I don't want to fucking, yeah. I'm just try not to jerk off. Literally. It's so embarrassing. It's as simple as like, I don't wanna jerk off every day, like when I'm just sitting around. 'cause I, because I work, 1 (58m 41s): Is there a reason why, 0 (58m 44s): Usually it's like I'm just trying to, I got a lot of problems on my mind all related to work. And this is a two minute escape. Okay. And it's like a relax. That's literally, that's literally it. It, it comes down to just as you said, a compulsion. And so I want to go, I want, I need some, I need something to keep me accountable to just not do that. And I think going to these meetings, listening to really fucked up problems makes it a little, little easier for me to not do it. But yeah, it's really is just as simple as that. Like, and the way the superior man, you know, he has chapters where he talks about like not ejaculating and, and how that is gonna transmute your energy into Yeah. 0 (59m 33s): Becoming a more masculine, mature man. And so yeah, that's, you know, that I really relate to that. 1 (59m 41s): The way that I look at that though, like the whole semen retention thing, it's kind of like a spiritual fast. So I think that you're supposed to do it in sprints and it's not supposed to be a lifestyle. Ah. So I don't know that he kind of makes that distinction. But if you were to do it, I would say do it for like a week, but I shouldn't be, that shouldn't be your norm. And again, this goes, I guess, 0 (1h 0m 3s): I guess it is probably good for your prostate. You 1 (1h 0m 5s): No, I was, so here's the thing. So most of the data, and this is the work of David Lay, he talks about this a lot. Do you know how many times a man should orgasm, like jerk off or have sex in a month to reduce his chances of prostate cancer by like an exponential amount? 0 (1h 0m 21s): How much 1 (1h 0m 23s): 28 times 0 (1h 0m 25s): Daily. 1 (1h 0m 25s): Daily. 0 (1h 0m 27s): Dude, 1 (1h 0m 28s): I daily I not to 0 (1h 0m 29s): Protect your not 1 (1h 0m 30s): Getting mass cancer to protect your prostate. Wow. So you have to ask yourself. That's why I was like, why don't you wanna do it? And then also why is that not, why is that not considered a healthy coping mechanism or a healthy way to relax? It's natural. It's your own 0 (1h 0m 44s): Chemistry. Well do why? Because I lift weights a lot and I got giant calluses on my hands. And so when I jerk off it fucking, I got rug burns on my dick. It's literally that simple. It's so 1 (1h 0m 56s): Get a fleshlight or a Doc Johnson, women are allowed to use toys. Men should be able to be able to have a little bit of assistance as well. Here, here, I'm not trying to make you relapse, it's gonna sound like I'm, I'm like the devil on your shoulder. Yeah. I'm just saying you have to ask yourself like, why do you think that these things are unhealthy or bad? I think if you're doing hours a day, that's a problem. If like you're doing it 10 times a day, that's a problem, even if they're quick. Right. Are you using it to avoid your problems or are you using it as a way to relax? Because are, are we gonna criticize someone who has like a glass of wine a day or two puffs of a, a vape or a joint? Like we all have different ways of coping, right? And even like hugging, for example, if you do a 32nd hug with somebody that releases a ton of oxytocin and serotonin in someone. 1 (1h 1m 41s): So you're using natural, like you're using, it's not someone else's body in that situation as a form of relaxation or coping. Yeah. So it's just using the tools that are you were born with. It's just, again, moderation asking yourself why are you doing it? And are you using it as an a, a way to avoid responsibility or connection? 0 (1h 2m 1s): Well, I think avoid, yes, avoid responsibility for whatever, two, five minutes, two to five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever. But 1 (1h 2m 8s): Should you live in your problems for your, all of your waking hours? Either. Is that healthy? Right. 0 (1h 2m 12s): Good point. Good point. Right? Yeah. I think, I think I feel like I am, I want to meet the right person and I want to be the, I want to be like the best version of myself. That's how you attract the right people. Yeah. Is that you become attractive and you, you starts from the inside and I feel like I can be a better like lover, you know, man, et cetera. When I'm not like doing this like self-absorbed activity. That's how IF that's, that's how I feel. I mean, I might be wrong, but like Yeah, I like it when I haven't, you know, jerked off for a week Doesn't happen a lot, but I like it. You know? Yeah. So I guess psychologically, I guess I guess it's just more of like, yeah, it's just, it's, it's more of a psychological thing. 0 (1h 2m 58s): Like I'm like, yeah, I can do this. I can be like, yeah, it's, yeah. It's just when I feel like I have to do it when I'm like getting the itch, I don't wanna like give into that. 1 (1h 3m 8s): Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. If, if it's answering compulsion, then I would say that makes sense. But if you're doing it intentionally, I don't see a problem. But again, it's like you can do the same thing two different ways or a thousand different ways. And you're talking about like vibrations and energy. So it's the same thing, right? You can, you can give to someone from like a very egoic way, like a very selfish way and you can give to someone out of like pure generosity. Right. And both on the outside are gonna look identical. Right. And you're gonna be the only one that's gonna be able to kind of navigate which one is authentic and which one's not. 0 (1h 3m 37s): Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for sure the men, real men, like, they want to give, that's, to me the height of masculinity is like giving to their partner. You know, I just, I gotta be there. I gotta, I gotta have that. I gotta feel it, you know? So thank you for this therapy session. Oh, 1 (1h 3m 58s): You're welcome. Maybe you don't have to go to the other one later. Yeah, 0 (1h 4m 1s): Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I, I listen to these stories and it's like, have you ever been to a sex addict meeting? 1 (1h 4m 6s): No, I've not. 0 (1h 4m 8s): Wow. This is like, I don't know, maybe people just wallow in their problems too much. But like, you hear it, it, it, it ruins sexual compulsion. It, it really does ruin people the way that drugs do alcohol does gambling. So what 1 (1h 4m 26s): Are, what are the solutions that are presented or the tools that are being presented to these people as far as how to, to 0 (1h 4m 32s): Stop? Well, exactly what would be presented to like an alcoholic, an alcoholic's anonymous, which is, so it's, you know, you work the steps, right? It's acknowledging that you're powerless. So there's a spiritual element involved. Like it's, I can't do this alone. I have to, I have to be with other people that have the same affliction and let, like, just talking about it helps, helps me not do it. I don't know what the fucking steps are. I've never done them. But, you know, woo. Acknowledging going back and apologizing to people. I think that's maybe like the fourth step or the seventh step or something. What else? I mean, giving back, yeah. 0 (1h 5m 14s): Really it's a lot of things. It's, it's kind of a good way to live. You know, even if you're not an addict, it's, it's a, it, it kind of teaches you to like acceptance. That's the whole, the whole thing is around acceptance. And we could all use a little bit of that. Like just, I, even if you're in a whatever, you're just in a bad place in your life, you say, okay. Acceptance and being in the moment. And a lot of that is really useful. And I guess it helps addicts because all you hear in these meetings is like, I would be dead. I'd be homeless. I would be broke if I didn't have this. So, you know, if it works for people, it works for people. Some people don't need it. I don't even know if it works for me. 0 (1h 5m 55s): I just, if I can show up to a half an hour meeting every day and not watch porn or jerk off, then, then what? I, I, I will do it because that's what I feel like is my problem or my, something I need to tweak to obtain a better life. 1 (1h 6m 17s): Yeah. Maybe the thing that, the thing that always I question is like, is abstinence in general, right? And it's, it's these people that go to this program and they're like, I am 642 days sober. Right? It's, you're not, there's 0 (1h 6m 34s): A lot of married people though that have the, the, the, it's not an abstinence program. That's one of the first things you read when you go to these things. They're like, we don't even think monogamy is, you don't have to be monogamous, abstinent, blah, blah, blah. Okay? It's, it's compulsions that you can't stop. That's what it is. That's the, the problem. You know? So if you're in a sexual relationship with your partner, that's all good. If you can't stop going and having sex with strippers right after work, which is what you hear often, that's a compulsion. Got it. Like, I don't wanna do it. Like I don't wanna do this right now. Like I don't wanna jerk off right now, but I you do it. 0 (1h 7m 15s): Mm. That's the thing that we have to, to change. Hmm. Or harness. That's, that's the the point. And that's why these programs work so much is because it doesn't work from like a religious, you know, Catholic, you're gonna go to hell if you jerk off or watch porn or have sex outside of marriage, that doesn't work. They tried that and it doesn't work for people. So when they, when AA and NA and SA and all this stuff, that's why it stood the test of time is because people don't want to hear that religious shit. They just want to hear this, this spirituality of whatever God is to you. That's, that's where it, it brings people in that aren't necessarily believers. So just, you know. 1 (1h 7m 55s): Yeah. Okay. That makes a lot more sense then. Yeah. 'cause it's like one of the main things that they've left out of the a a protocol is the psychedelic integration. Right? Like that's the last piece and no one talks about it. Yeah. And it's so important because if you see a lot of the work that they're doing in South America or Peru with Iboga specifically, these people will do one intense session and like they'll be done with heroin. Wow. Right. It's like, or severe alcoholism amazing. Right. And it's not legal of course here because you do it once and it's done and it's so cheap. But it's, I wonder if something like that, I don't even wonder 'cause I'm pretty convinced like something like that would help with that compulsion issue. Right. 'cause I think drinking is probably really similar. Like I, I don't have an addictive personality. 1 (1h 8m 37s): Like I can do anything kind of once and I'll be done with it. But I would imagine that drinking is similar. Like yes, obviously there's a physiological Yeah. Dependence on it as well. But there is also a psychological effect. So if you have something like ibogaine, it's helping with that. It's the same compulsion, it's like the same inability to kind of like have that delayed gratification. Yeah. If it would help. And then you're just like, one and done. That's 0 (1h 9m 0s): Fucking crazy. Yeah. That's probably the next iteration. Yeah. That will put that'll, that'll make AA irrelevant if that eventually makes it to the states, which I think it will. 1 (1h 9m 10s): I hope so. Yeah. We'll see, I mean MDMA not getting approved was pretty shocking to me. I thought it was in, when was that? 0 (1h 9m 16s): What 1 (1h 9m 16s): Happened with that a few months ago? So it was up, they, I, a lot of people were, were really optimistic. And then the reason that they said it didn't get approved, which is hysterical to me 'cause it's so bogus, is they said because of the vulnerable state that the drug puts the patient in, that it puts them in peril of being like sexually assaulted or abused by their facilitator, their practitioner. And it's like, okay, these 0 (1h 9m 41s): Nerds have, we have never done Molly, we've, these nerds clearly have never done Molly clearly. 1 (1h 9m 45s): And this, we've already s like solved the vulnerability issue with OBS and GYNs. Right. If they're gonna do a pelvic exam, guess what? Someone else comes in. Right. As a witness. Correct. To make sure everything is above board. Yeah. So like easy peasy. That is a fix. So let's not pretend that's the reason. The reason is is that we have studies showing that if you have someone that has complex postpartum or post-traumatic stress disorder, they do three heavy doses of MDMA. And guess what? They don't need an SSR or I again, they don't need talk therapy. Like Right. They're usually good. Wow. That's why. 0 (1h 10m 15s): So who and, and those people that struck down the, the MDMA therapy, who are they? I 1 (1h 10m 22s): Guess it's like the FDA right? The F 0 (1h 10m 24s): FDA A. So they must be, you just follow the money, right? Like you, if you looked into those people, right. If RFK junior looked into those people, you'd probably find links, strong links to the pharmaceutical companies. 1 (1h 10m 37s): Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And then they're all promised jobs on the back end. Right. So it's like, I'm on the board of Pfizer when I'm done, I'm gonna get a job here. Vice versa. 0 (1h 10m 46s): It doesn't take a genius sociology major to, to understand the motivation, people's motivations. Oh, I stay in business because, you know, Dr. Fauci is the one who controls Not anymore. He retired two years ago. 'cause he knew what was coming. He knew, you know, all this shit was coming down. But if you go read his RFKs book, which fucking blew my mind. Have you read it? 1 (1h 11m 10s): I haven't, but I need to. The 0 (1h 11m 12s): Real Dr. Fauci. Yeah. It's incredible. You're, it it, he controlled the purse strings to our, all of our financial institutions and all the scientists and the ancillary inep schools, medical schools, all that grant money. I mean like, if you're a scientist and you want to keep studying and researching, you need money. Right. And the guy who gives you money, he needs the results to come out one way. Mm. It you'll even good people will capitulate. Yeah. So it's, and and with this situation, it's probably the same fucking thing. 1 (1h 11m 45s): Yeah. I saw your post. Like, I would commit a crime if he is back in jail just to go in jail. Oh 0 (1h 11m 50s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. I threatened to rape him. Yeah. Don't, don't regret it. Yeah. Don't regret it. But yeah. But he will, he will die, you know, free and rich. But that's just how the game goes, you know, 1 (1h 12m 2s): Unfortunately. Yeah. 0 (1h 12m 3s): Yeah. And I think I Bitcoin as the, you could almost blame fiat currency for a lot of these, a lot of the government largess. Because if everything was backed by Bitcoin, if governments had to balance their budgets like businesses, they could, they wouldn't have all this excess billions, trillions of dollars to slosh around. You wouldn't have this huge government bureaucracy that could pull all this shit. 'cause you would have to be fiscally responsible. Yeah. 'cause your shit's backed by, by hard money. So wouldn't 1 (1h 12m 34s): That be amazing? Amazing. Just to see like who's getting lobbied, who's getting paid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's entangled with who? Yep. Yep. 0 (1h 12m 41s): And it's funny to me because like you can see a lot of the same bullshit with Trump. And so it's like, I voted for him 'cause I thought he was gonna be good for Bitcoin and I thought, thought he might end the wars. But a lot of the shit you, you like, and of course people on the right will never acknowledge it just 'cause they're dug in just like people on the left. But a lot of these problems will not go away with Trump. It just, they won't, it's too big and it's too, it's too entrenched. 1 (1h 13m 10s): I mean, I don't know. I feel like how much he's already done so far, it just seems like more than a president in my lifetime at this speed. 0 (1h 13m 19s): Yeah. There's, yeah. He's enacted a lot of, like, there's certain things that are really good, like executive orders and these things. It's cracking. But it's, it's still, you know, there, there needs to be, there's gotta have to be a reckoning. There's gonna have to be like a huge debt, debt crisis. Yeah. Like, it, it, it, the system has to feel the, it's gotta hit rock bottom before they're, you know, before the change has to come. So I don't, I don't think it's gonna, but maybe it'll set us on the course, you know, 20 years from now. Right. 1 (1h 13m 54s): Yeah. That would be good. Yeah. Do you think that they do trials for Fauci? 0 (1h 13m 59s): Well, he already got a federal. Pardon? So I don't think states will come after 1 (1h 14m 3s): Him. You don't think so? 0 (1h 14m 4s): I don't think there's enough power. They don't have, they don't have the juice? I don't think so. No. 1 (1h 14m 9s): Because even with the federal Pardon though, if he did go to court that he would have to answer everything honestly. And then if he perjured himself, then he could go to jail. So the pardon doesn't cover that. 0 (1h 14m 19s): Oh, interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So they would have to prove perjury. You'd have to have all these people on board. You know, we're talking, we're talking people that are pretty entrenched in the system. I don't quite see it. No, I don't quite see it. But that's okay. Like, like the fact that it's all out now is positive. Right. Like, you don't always get justice in a lifetime. It takes a couple of lifetimes, you know? 1 (1h 14m 46s): So with, with your background and you're obviously very open about your past Yeah. And like going to prison and part of it is, or even in like your bits. Yeah. Where's, I guess, how do you manage evolving and growing as a person and then still acknowledging and honoring your past? I see. I can't help but like see parallels for like both of our trajectories. Yeah. And for me, my experiences, if I'm not like super repented or apologetic about everything that I did, then I'm not allowed to kind of ever be anything else. And I think that's probably the same with people that have gone to prison. It's like you're always a felon or you're always this regardless of Yeah. Like 0 (1h 15m 24s): You, 1 (1h 15m 24s): That was your past and 0 (1h 15m 25s): You, well, being a woman, you have it a lot harder as a woman. And coming from the, the porn industry I think is a lot harder to, to my shit's like, cool now, you know, like it's, it's because you 1 (1h 15m 36s): Got street cred. 0 (1h 15m 37s): Exactly. I got street cred and it's legal half legal. And so, and I'm, it's, it was so long that 1 (1h 15m 43s): Mine's legal. 0 (1h 15m 44s): Yeah, that's a good point. 4 (1h 15m 45s): Yeah. Mine, mine is super legal. Not in the eyes of God. Mine, mine has been legal. Not in the eyes of God. When I did it, it was legal. It's h still hilarious. And you paid taxes. I never paid any tax. You paid all the taxes, you never went to jail. You're a good person. You're 0 (1h 16m 0s): A mother. I'm none of these things. 4 (1h 16m 2s): Dammit. And 0 (1h 16m 3s): Yeah, I just get to skate by because that just is what it is. I think it is harder for women and it's men hate people in, they hate even, even ones that are addicted to being at the strip clubs, they hate those bitches. Yeah. And it's, it's really sickening because it's like, yeah. It's like they, it's, it's something that they can't have or they're not satisfied in their own sexual lives. And so they, they fantasize and idolize the girls. But deep down there's like a, there's a hatred to it. It's like, how dare you lady go be on the internet fucking for years and you make all this money and does that make sense? Yeah. So you 1 (1h 16m 39s): Dont have that pushback. 0 (1h 16m 40s): Yeah. Yeah. I don't really have that pushback with my, with being a drug trafficker, former drug trafficker. I mean, the hardest thing for me is trying to kind of evolve the brand out of it. Like I'm, yeah. I'm ki you know, not, not having to talk about crime all the time. Like my fans just want me to interview drug kingpins and it gets tiring. So for me, the, the, the next thing is how do I break the comedy out and leave the past behind Make it to where like, like Joe Rogan, nobody even remembers he was on Fear Factor. Right. Like that's, that's the trajectory for me is how do I, how do I get ahead in a different brand but I don't really have to apologize for the past because Yeah. 0 (1h 17m 24s): I think people think the war on drugs is silly. Everybody kind of gets it and knows it. And especially when it or around marijuana and so, and clearly I was not a violent guy. I'm a pretty normal guy. So I think there's a lot of leeway. People, people people like a comeback story in America. That is what is cool about, you know, being an American. And everybody goes to prison too. So if you went to prison for being in porn, people would forgive you. I promise. 1 (1h 17m 51s): So you gotta figure out like some kind of Larry Flint situation. Yeah. 0 (1h 17m 54s): Go, go do like six months in like a federal camp. Just a minimum for like 1 (1h 17m 59s): Tax. 0 (1h 17m 59s): Oh god. For like tax evasion. 1 (1h 18m 0s): I'm not like Martha Stewart, I can't do that. You see. 0 (1h 18m 4s): But everybody loves Martha. 1 (1h 18m 5s): Exactly. Come out with like a poncho and say how I taught all of the women. Like some Yep. Yeah, yeah. Some, because 0 (1h 18m 12s): Think about it, the system is so fucking dirty and corrupt. They would, did you see the Martha Stewart documentary? 1 (1h 18m 18s): I loved it. Incredible. Incredible. I am now her number one fan. Oh dude, 0 (1h 18m 21s): No sister. 'cause I'm her number one fan. It was crazy. I was like, the guy who fucking locked her up was the same guy that created Russiagate. The whole Russiagate helps and was what's his, what was his name? 1 (1h 18m 32s): I don't remember 0 (1h 18m 33s): Matt Cohen. He was the, the, the US attorney, the top cop federal prosecutor. The same guy that like railroaded Martha Stewart was the same one who kept pushing to, you know, get Trump locked up for his alleged ti tie spying ties to Russia. Insane. So I think people distrust the system so much, including the criminal justice system that yeah, you're almost seen as like a hero when you like get outta prison and, you know, succeed and make a comeback. 1 (1h 19m 7s): So your advice to me as a mother of two is go to jail for six months and I'll be able to rebrand successfully, integrate into society, forgiven all of the things. It's 0 (1h 19m 16s): A, it's a must. It's 1 (1h 19m 17s): A small price to pay 0 (1h 19m 18s): As your brand manager. It is a must. Six months. Nothing, 1 (1h 19m 22s): Nothing goes by. 0 (1h 19m 23s): That's July. Yeah. You'll be out, you'll be out, you'll be out in the middle of fucking baseball season, dude. 1 (1h 19m 28s): Oh my God. Yeah. 0 (1h 19m 29s): Yeah. That's the difference. 1 (1h 19m 31s): So do you have like a, do you have a serious strategy for, for your rebrand for your channel in your show? Or you just gonna kind of maybe drip in abnormal guests to introduce 'em to your audience? 0 (1h 19m 42s): Yeah, I, I, I think I'm going to take this as far as it can go with the connect, which is the, the crime podcast that I do. And then just keep, you know, it's, I know it sounds kind of hokey, but just kind of keep doing what I like and if, if I'm not getting the numbers that I did, I don't know. I so be it. You know, I I want to be free to Yeah. Just create and, and do whatever's inspiring, you 1 (1h 20m 9s): Know? No, that's on, that's admirable and refreshing. 'cause so many people just placate to a base and it's, they say the same talking points. They know what's gonna get clicks. They know what's gonna get views and it's like you are no different than any of the other people on camera 'cause Right, right. You all know what works. You've like, you figured it out and that's kind of dull. 0 (1h 20m 25s): Yeah. And, and that's what the internet has become. It's almost become like legacy media. It's just as polarized, right. Like you've got the Ben Shapiro's and, and all of those, all of those channels and then you've got like left wing stuff. And so, you know, it's, it's kind of the, it defeats the purpose of like the internet, which is getting away from all of that shit. Right. The legacy and being trapped by having to, you know, be part of a network. So yeah, I I'm, I'm like, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do what I want. I do what I love. You know, it's, it's, it's, that was like my proudest, I was thinking about this the other day. 0 (1h 21m 5s): I'm so proud of the fact that when I got outta prison, I could have just said, okay, I'm gonna be driven by money. I always was just driven by money. I mean, I never really liked selling drugs even though it was like exciting. But it wasn't, it got to be where I was like over it. And I was like, you know what, when I got outta prison, let, let me just do this. Let me just try to do something I like, and, and you know, I, it, it was not easy, but I was true to myself. I was like, let me just do like a passion and see if I can make money that way. And I finally did it. So I think like that, that's like my proudest achievement in my life. And so I wanna keep, keep that spirit alive, you know, even though it is stressful because you gotta make money and you gotta, you know, bitches are expensive. 0 (1h 21m 50s): Yeah. Women are even like, a good woman is expensive. Yeah. 1 (1h 21m 54s): They say just find one in your price range. That's 'cause they're all expensive. 0 (1h 21m 58s): Even like, even like really cool like wifey, like wifey material women, you still, and they're like, no, I don't care. I just want, like, I'm an easy, I'm a simple girl, but like real men, you hear that and you're like, oh, it's even worse now we gotta have kids and a house and you know, that shit's it's wearing on you. But I think, I think right, if you walk righteously in the end, the long term you'll win. I really believe that. You know? 1 (1h 22m 27s): Yeah, I think so too. 0 (1h 22m 28s): It's gotta be righteous and you gotta have a long term view of things. So 1 (1h 22m 33s): How do you discern what's righteous? 0 (1h 22m 36s): If it feels right, it's all comes from the feeling like 1 (1h 22m 39s): Intuition. 0 (1h 22m 40s): Yeah. That's almost never wrong. Mm. That's, that's what I mean by being righteous. Like comedian Patrice O'Neal, rest in peace talked about that. It's like moving every day with integrity. It, it's, it comes down to like being yourself, like being the closest version of your authentic self. That's what I mean by being righteous, you know? 1 (1h 23m 2s): Yeah. That's good advice. Yep. 0 (1h 23m 3s): Yep. Yeah. 1 (1h 23m 5s): Well this has been an awesome hour and a half 0 (1h 23m 7s): Fun talk. Yeah, fun talk. We do it again. I, again, I hope we covered some points. I hope we changed people's lives. 1 (1h 23m 12s): We did, 0 (1h 23m 13s): Yeah. Will you come do my show sometime? 1 (1h 23m 16s): Absolutely. Lemme know when. Awesome, 0 (1h 23m 17s): Awesome. Can you, yeah, we got a cool new studio and it's fucking, it's sick man. 1 (1h 23m 21s): I'm back in like two weeks. I'd love to see it. Yeah. Do you wanna let everyone know where they can follow you, support you if you have shows coming up, all that? 0 (1h 23m 28s): Yeah, yeah, definitely. So the Connect with Johnny Mitchell, that is the name of my podcast. It's all over YouTube and, and Spotify and stuff like that. We interview, you know, drug King Pins, XX Mafia guys. I'm interviewing a Whitey Bulger of the famous Winter Hill gang. His right hand man. This is Jack Nicholson's character in the departed, his right hand man is coming on my show. So I don't wanna shit on my show. I love interview, I love doing this shit, but I also love my comedy. So check me out on Instagram. I am Johnny Mitchell. We, we do every week, every Monday at the Vulcan. If you're in Austin or you're visiting here at the Vulcan Comedy Company Comedy Club, we do sick joke at eight 30. 0 (1h 24m 12s): So that's, that's where I'm at. And yeah, I'll be on the road again soon. So yeah, just follow me on socials and, and go check the podcast out. Awesome. 1 (1h 24m 19s): Thank 0 (1h 24m 19s): You. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Bye 1 (1h 24m 22s): Everybody.