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March 25, 2021

#36 Dr. Tommy John- Wellness, Diet, and Healing

Our bodies are unique, and the way one person’s body heals might not necessarily work for you. Which begs the question, how much control do you have on your wellness? Are you the type that follows other people’s practices without analyzing whether they can work for you? According to Dr. Tommy, the more control we have over our wellness, the better outcomes we can expect. However, this does not mean you should stop taking those wellness classes or cancel all coaching subscriptions; what that means is that you should take control of all your wellness plans. Because a wellness expert can’t fix you, the only thing he/she will do is show you how to fix yourself. Thus, it’s up to you to decide how you’ll go about fixing yourself.

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0 (0s): This is the missing ingredient because everybody looks at that and goes home. There's a program that I can check eight boxes. I'm going to be healthy. If I checked those eight boxes, no, you will not. 1 (11s): Hello everybody. You're listening to Chatting with Candice. I'm your host, Candice Horbacz. Before we get started on this week's episode, if you want to support the podcast, you can go to Chatting with Candice dot com. From there, you can sign up for our Patrion account, where we get early access to episodes and shout outs. Or you can click that little link that says, buy me coffee. Both things help me out a ton as I'm just getting started. Another way to support the podcast is simply by leaving a five-star review and a little comment or sharing it with a friend. And this week, I want to give a shout out to my new Patrion member X, the river. Thank you so much for signing up. It means more than you can imagine. 1 (52s): Now let's get into this week's episode, please help me welcome Dr. Tommy, John, how have you been? I'm doing well. How are you? Good, good. I I'm really glad I came across your Instagram profile. I don't know who is sharing it, but you are like one of the few people that was taking, like, I think a reasonable approach to what's happening, which is like a holistic approach and focusing on health and wellness. If that makes sense. Yeah. So do you want to kind of give the listeners a little bit of your background before we like delve into some of these topics? 0 (1m 30s): Absolutely. So I am a student of the body I'm labeled as a chiropractor, but I don't like being called that because there is no in health or holistic approaches. There is no profession that, that shouldn't all be saying. Basically the same thing is that the body is self Healing, self regenerating in that the environment that we keep it in internally helps us to adapt and thrive and survive to whatever's going on outside of the bus. So for 20 years, that's what I've been doing. I, I personally will never put anybody through stuff until I have gone through that as far as a care plan or some sort of a, an action step. 0 (2m 14s): And what's cool is I'm still why say I'm a student and I'm still learning to this day that literally I'll have a new patient and I'll see something I've never seen before. And that's the part that gets me, like keeps me humble express humility, and really where the patient or the person guides me, not me acting like I would know because how, how should I possibly know in the vast infinite space that is human. That is the human being. That every time I see him on a Monday, there are a completely different person on a Tuesday, on a Wednesday. So I try to respect that and M and honor that. And I'm 20 years in and I'm still a student and I'm excited for what's coming. 1 (2m 56s): Okay. I think that's a really good way to look at it because when you go into anything with like curiosity and the openness that you don't have, all the answers, I think that you end up getting a lot further than if you're like so sold that you know, everything and you kind of dismiss your patients. I think a lot of us have experienced that in the medical community where you go in and they're like, well, don't go and do your own research. It gets very frowned upon. So I M I like a couple, a couple auto-immune issues that when I was sick, I was reading every book and I'm going online. And it was like highly discouraged. I'm to the point where I said I have graves' disease. 1 (3m 37s): Okay. And I got down I'm five, four. I got down to 90 pounds. And for me, that is like, it looked, it was disturbing how small I was. And I kept saying, I think it's this. I think it's this. I think it's this. And I had a doctor and she was from chapel Hill. Like she had always remind me, she went to chapel Hill. Cause that was what was important. And she thought it was just dehydrated and stressed. And I go to a, walk-in like a jinky walk in across the street from the university. And they're like, we think you have graves' disease and you need to go to the hospital right now, my heart rate was like over 200. Like, it was, it was at a really bad spot. And I was like, this guy, whoever was in the community would be like, Oh, he's just like this boot legs. 1 (4m 20s): You know, it's the hand-me-down Dr. Is like, he's the one that properly diagnosed me. So I think it's really refreshing to have that perspective of always learning and being the student. And, you know, your patient's can teach you some stuff. So with 'em with the work that you do, do you have like a lot of like, is there a common question that everyone's like after, as far as wellness and health, do you see something like repeating a lot that people just are curious about? 0 (4m 49s): But here's the big part that I think is my day one that I need to get them to trust and buy into right away is that I don't fix you. And I don't heal you. Everyone kind of comes in like not, not. So can you help me? So can you fix me? No, I don't know how to fix a human being. I don't know how to heal a human being other than maybe myself. Like I don't, but here's what I'm going to do. And I need to earn this right on the right on the start. I need them to list all the things they've been doing, which is pretty much what that first half hour, it was just listening to all of the, the chapel Hill doctors. 0 (5m 30s): They have been too bad and it hasn't worked. And then they have to admit that it hasn't worked. How's that working out for you? Well, they're nice. Well, they were expensive. Well then they take my plan or something, you know? And I'm like, but honestly it just bottom line is not working well. No. Okay. Then that's, we have to admit that because everything we're about to do quite possibly is going to be the opposite of everything you've ever heard or ever been told. And right now it's going to be hard to find this information to back it up because of the censorship and everything else. But this is why I'm with you. This is why I'm here. This is what we're going to do together. My job is to empower and facilitate, not whitewash, which with a test, through a bunch of supplements at low numbers, and you're good for three months. 0 (6m 13s): And then you just did it. It moves to another thing. So I just, especially now, I don't think people realize the independent, the responsibility and the accountability that, that they are supposed to have for their own health. And that's a shocking revelation and it can be upsetting, you know, and again, that's, that's, that's why I'm here to, to address your questions, concerns, and emotions. Because to take that on is scary for some people, you know, because they've been, they've been labeled and they've been fear based and it's all been, instead of everything you're feeling right now, and everything that tests showed is your body healing itself. 0 (6m 56s): That's the most amazing thing we can ever do. They call Healing sickness. And it's just not the case. Did you know that it's doing this for you? It loves, you know, what, if we hear that, what if we listen to it? What if we think about our symptoms in our feelings more as guides, a tour guides and a conversation, instead of something that used to be muted or were so unlucky, or we need to control that. And so I think that common wise, Oh, is it bad? Is it next? Is it no, it's it's whatever somebody is walking in with. And I need to try on that first appointment, get them to one believe in themselves again, and that power inside and to take the accountability and responsibility that 110% of their health expression is on them. 1 (7m 41s): I like that term health expression. I haven't heard that before, right? Yeah. So how would you just define that? 0 (7m 48s): So it's literally like, our body is still unique. Our, our individualities are like fingerprints or, you know, and so we can have you and I, right now we can both have a, what they call a grapes, right? You and I can both go in and, and they will determine that this is our expression is just the body trying to literally survive your environment or whatever the environment, if it was, it was doing that on purpose. If they did the same plan, the same algorithm, a clan, even in a holistic same supplement, same test, same engine, same, same treatment, same modules, same person. We can have two completely different expressions of what we're doing. 0 (8m 31s): You improved your, your things improved mine got radically worse. Well, that doesn't work or I'm not trying. Or I'm just this anomaly case. No, wait a second. Our stories are different. Your in my story that led to our expression of what they call graves is completely different. Maybe my mom emotionally abused me. Mom loved you. Maybe I was vaccinated. Maybe you weren't. Maybe you see what I mean. And so we get to this point and we express what looks the same, but our stories and our feelings in our intention, in our purpose on our beliefs are completely different, are totally different. 0 (9m 11s): So therefore we have to be approached in a different manner where we're looking at the entire story, but how we each express it is the individuality of it. And that's why it's so cool. Is that how, I mean, that's, what's so cool. It is frustrating for the practitioner because we wish we could just, you know, throw everyone in. It's like, ah, I know it's mind boggling, but that's the part that gets me excited is that every person is different. We should never repeat the same thing. Like that's the fascinating part of it. And so I always love that our bodies decide how they express life it, and it's, it's so unique. And each one of us is different every second of every day of every week of every month of every year. 0 (9m 52s): So you and I were touching base today. I know you're going to do some work. I know I'm going to do the work in three months. If we connected, we should both be better, more highly adapted, highly expressive human beings. Then we were today, like hands down. That should be the way it is. So, yeah, 1 (10m 10s): That's really cool. So do you, are you a big fan of like the research happening with like epigenetics with the book and it didn't start with you? I can remember. I'm really bad at author. So I'm going to book titles and like the body, the body keeps the score. 0 (10m 24s): Yeah. So my, my book title that I love re referencing is biology of belief by Bruce Lipton. And I just interviewed Dr. Dawson church on my podcast. And he was with Lipton when lift and wrote that book. So they were a part of the whole, so epigenetics is, am I into it? It is the science. Like, it's not like, like, is it, is it a Which religion? Or are you going to be, 1 (10m 51s): Well, I agree with you. I totally agree with you. But you do see people that are like, Oh, its kind of nonsense. It's not really, I'm a F I'm swallowed that. Kool-Aid like, I believe that 0 (11m 0s): I know. And it was just like, wait, no, but it's pre it's even proven. And like the allopathic model, they don't like it because it's, it, it throws a wrench in their plan. But I am a, when I interviewed Dr. Dawson church, not too long ago, he, he blew me away. Not 'cause he was giving me information. You were, I have not heard before, but he was just like, it's your belief and your intention. He called his spirituality. But it is your belief in Healing. That is, that is the key. And I was like, after he got done talking for like 30 minutes, I was like, there's really no excuse. You're not leaving anybody. Any excuse. 0 (11m 41s): Are you, if you liked lasts us with this big jovial booming lab and he's like, no, and then that's the scary part. And everyone's going to be like, but they die. Well, we're all going to do, but what was life like till the spirit decided to leave? Like that's, and, and it depends what you view as death, you know? But we all, we all kind of look at it is where we all kind of pass on to this next round with a bunch of stuff. But what's our life like, like we should be living as hard as we can. That's our purpose. That's why we chose these bodies. We chose this path. So yeah, epigenetics is, I love it 1 (12m 19s): And chose to like move. So I see a lot of that, especially now, and places that are in a lot more strict with what you're able to do. You see a lot of people not moving and what do you think is crazy? And a lot of other big names have brought it up. It's like the first thing we closed is our gyms. And it's like, people need to move. And of course, if you don't feel good, don't be a Dick and don't go and get other people, you know, sit with your germs on all of that. But you need to be moving and like feeding your body. Like I know for me, especially as I start to get older, if I take too much time away from like my yoga or my weights, I actually like get sore. Like, you know how you get the awesome sore feeling from moving. I started getting that feeling from not moving kind of like we have to, like, we have to put of an emphasis on the things that we may be are not giving enough attention to and not be so like caught up in fear of getting sick and dying, but taking, like taking measures to stay healthy, right? 1 (13m 19s): Like why aren't we talking about Diet? Why aren't we talking about movement? Why are we talking about supplements? I don't know where you are on the supplement train to know like that's also, some people say they're nonsense and other people say that they work. What is your school of thought? 0 (13m 32s): Yeah. So I, I, there is a it's in the word. So I'm all about like these radical remissions and Healing stories come down to eight, an inventory of eight different things from my just gathering experts of people doing some really awesome, amazing work and hearing these stories of, of cures and healings and world-wide, and it's in it's in this quantum order, it's a belief in something greater than yourself, your purpose, your relationships, sleep, naps, breath, meditation, prayer, outdoor light exposure, or nature, nourishment, body movement. And somewhere within those eight is it is a radical Healing response. I mean, if you literally take an honest inventory of those, the honest, and you have to be honest and you have to be very, very, very, very, very hard on yourself to see where are you can improve on what work you're going to do. 0 (14m 23s): If all of those are being tended to, and I mean, worked on and uncomfortable and consistent kind of supplement supplement those eight. Yeah. Hell yeah. But can a supplement replace? Absolutely not. And Dr. Chris, John Northrup, who I've interviewed many times, she was a friend of mine. She now it's like all or nothing with people, right? It's like supplements, don't work drugs. Don't work. It's like, Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what, what the schools have done. Even the holistic side. And I went to school and I have three degrees and I'm about to burn them and in a, in a, in a post because they, they mean nothing. I don't want to go, got to find a safe place to burn them in California. 0 (15m 3s): So I don't get arrested, but I have a post ready. But the whole thing is, is like, again, what's the easiest way to set up an algorithm, do a test, run a low number and throw supplements and oils at them. And that is, you might not kill somebody with a side effect of a supplement, whereas the pharmaceutical could seriously, but the, the risk is death, but you're disconnecting that person from really getting to the real work of stuff and delaying this whole thing too, to a later point, if in the hands of the right practitioner, right? There's like many modalities in many, it's like a three pound dumbbell. Is that healthy? It depends what you do with it. You know what I mean? Is vitamin C healthy. 0 (15m 43s): It depends how you, how you use it. You know, like, I don't know. It could sometimes certain things could not be as ideal. You know? So it's, it's, I'm just a big advocate of when we square away those eight essential oils and we simplify things, you'll start to see that there's not much you need from the outside and on that small case, maybe initially, because things are so radical or you're coming off in the, in the hands of a, of a serious practitioner, a holistic one that knows what's going on a natural path of some kind, they may have to wean you down off of your current meds. And it might, might take some herbs, like really, really strong herbs and some supplements, you know, but I think moving forward supplements are great to supplement to a nice framework and fabric of, of those eight. 0 (16m 37s): And every time I, every time me personally, I have something off bodies talking to me and I go into those. So I'm like, Oh, and I'll go back. And it will, it will come back on, give me three months. There is even if it's an injury or whatever, same thing with somebody coming in, I'm like, damn, it really does come down to those. And then you interviewed the Austin Church or are you interviewing North of three and every calendar in Ropelewski and it keeps calming down to those eight or a pretty powerful, its just like the sun, but Carolyn is like, Oh yay. The sun for vitamin D an exercise for fat loss. And you guys are, you're like reducing these very powerful drugs to these very one-to-one kind of thing. 0 (17m 17s): Like it is so potent that it's a measurable, they had no one even know the light spectrum that the sun gives off because we're a confined with current science, like it's infinite yet. We don't know what it does to cells really 'cause we can't measure it. Like there's so much infinite glory behind those eight and the power behind those eight and it's it's free medicine really is what it is. So I'm a huge, huge supplement fan in the right hands with the right intention, with the right approach. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's a great answer. What I think is, 1 (17m 51s): Is so awesome about like the holistic community is they've been doing a lot of these things that everyone was kind of poo-pooing on for a long time. And now that science is kind of catching up, like a lot of it's being validated. So bleak nature, for example, like some people think that that's nonsense, but I'm, I'm always say his name right or wrong. Do you know who Andrew Hoberman is or Huberman? No. Okay. So he's a neuroscientist and academic and he's one of the first people to kind of explain that how the eye is an extension of the brain. So he was explaining that the way that your peripherals work, if you go out into nature and you feel small, like that feeling of something being bigger than you and the having a lot of space that actually reduces your anxiety and depression by like a massive amount. 1 (18m 42s): And there's there's data on this and that you and people are like, all of these hippies are going in the forest because they think it helps them. Right? So like that's caught up. We used to think it was nonsense when you would go and get one of those kinesiology tests and they'd be like, well, what are you eating? And they're like, well, well how does that have to do with my mood or my aches and pains or my sickness, it's the best food. And now it's pretty, it's becoming a standard practice for a doctor to look into your diet. So I love that. Like there seems to be like a merging happening as we progress with the science. And a lot of my listeners were asking about diet and specifically when it comes to like gluten and wheat, Because you see a lot of trending with the carnivore diet or Mikayla Peterson's lie and Diet. 1 (19m 31s): So what do you, where do you stand when it comes to gluten and grains and legumes and all of those now controversial food items. 0 (19m 38s): Yeah. So that's an awesome question. So one, I just don't think right off the start, I just don't think there is a Diet that will work because we are so individual and so anything that's kind of coined Diet, I'm just really, I really have hard, a hard time supporting Because 'cause, we change our nervous systems change day to day, we're stressed, we're injured, we're pregnant. We were going through a cycle, were, you know, we live a different latitude. We have access to different things or hanging out with there. People are like, how, how, how can we possibly know what's needed? 0 (20m 19s): When is it needed and how much, and where are we sourcing it from? And so to say, you know, no gluten, no grains, no legumes or only a meat or only vegetables or vegan or it. And it's like, wow, I, so here's my thing. I think it's a combination of all of them, you know? Like I think every Diet ever created ever that anybody like coined the name to, I think there's good parts have all of them. And so here's, here's what I love ended up sets to people. It puts it back on them. There was a gentleman. And so the, the nourishment principles principles that I'm fond of, or as Western a price Weston, a price was a dentist. And he traveled the world looking for oral health breakthroughs and he wanted to see what their mouths were like. 0 (21m 5s): So we looked at these cultures around the world and he noticed that they all had jaws that could fit all their wisdom, their teeth, their teeth, where they are, jaws were wide. They have these big, bright smiles. They never brushed their teeth. They never use fluoride. They never floss. They'd never saw dentists. So he's like, Oh wait a second. What's going on? So we started to look into their nutrition. Then they started to see that they didn't have diseases that the Western world did. So he's like maybe there's something to physical degeneration and nutrition. And he started putting together not a Diet of sorts, but principles, principles, like what? Like if you do consume an animal, because that's what you're drawn to, you would consume the parts that everybody discards, like the Oregons the hubs, the joints, the tails, the tongues. 0 (21m 53s): So you go, it's in broth form, you know? So you come up with these broads or these cultures would eat. These Oregon meets that are so rich and vitamins and minerals give them to kids, babies, animals were pastured and grazed. They all were rotated on the same land. Like they all helped them. And now we call it grass, but it's not even grasped anymore. We don't even know what that is. Vegetables, the fermentation process of fruits and vegetables. So we had good probiotics from a natural source. Wow. If you did consume dairy, it was raw to inform it wasn't pasteurized or cooked. And if you did cook with grains or you sprouted them first to make them more digestible to the community, again, if that's what you were drawn to choosing to some of those that make sense, I'm like, wow, that makes sense. 0 (22m 40s): Now here's the key. It doesn't matter whether you are pagan, vagan carnivores or whatever the names are. My big thing is, is to eat when hungry stop, when full and make everything from scratch. And so I want to share a couple stories on that. I had a client and she was a, and that will lead to my second point. And maybe the most important point I had a client, she was beating herself up. Cause she liked chocolate cake late at night. And she was afraid to tell me, cause she thought it was going to tell her or suggest to her to not do it. She was like, yeah, I eat chocolate cake late at night. I'm like, hell yeah, that's awesome. I look at it as, wow. 0 (23m 20s): Why does your body want chocolate cake? That's amazing that somebody would be like, no gluten, this, that I'm like sugar cancer. I'm like, hold on this, this fantastic. Okay. Here's what we want you to do. Do not cut it out. And she liked child chirped up and was like, what? And I'm like, yeah, I do not cut it out because your body wants it. For some reason, whatever your story was leading up to this, it wants to it craves it. I want you to make it from scratch. Instead of getting the store-bought version that has 50 ingredients, it's now you make it from scratch and there's five ingredients. What you've done is you've sourced out your ingredients. Are you connected to the energy that it takes to actually prepare your food with love and feelings? 0 (24m 1s): And you're like, Oh my God, I'm going to enjoy every bit of this. There's no guilt with it. There's just straight up love. And then you sit down and let's say it's circular, right? And you cut off a piece that you would normally have consumed with the 50 ingredient cake half way through your like I'm full, right? Your body got food. It sent a feedback that said, we're done. Now. You just consumed less of what you would normally eat. You were in a loving environment that you made it from stress. You connect it with your food, which is far greater than any ingredient will ever come in. And that guilt is gone. Now what you might notice as over the course of a month, it's the three months that craving shifts. 0 (24m 44s): Maybe it's a meat of some kind late at night. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's an acid. I don't know. But you're starting to go to this instead of looking at shunning, these, these cravings and this guilt with this ingredient, because the emotions behind our food are way more powerful on our health expression than the ingredients themselves. And so here's another thing to keep in mind because some people are like, I'll post. I post all my meals, all my stuff. And everyone is like, how can you eat that? I have been on it. It's like, okay, here's the deal. All of a sudden, gluten started to get a bad rap. They want the way we always want to identify the one thing, right? 0 (25m 24s): It's a single thing causing all of the disease in the world. It was sugar. It was fat. It was a, you know, sweeteners. It it's like all of this stuff. Okay. Now it's a, a grains and gluten. If our systems, we can only process so much to stimulate at one point before the body goes in and goes, damn, I gotta, we gotta pick and choose what we're going to fight here. You know, because I gotta go on to immediate state of, of survival. If all of a sudden, while you are fighting all these lifestyle choices that you've chosen to put yourself into, and then you have gluten and the system goes haywire. We always look at the last drop in the bucket that spilled the bucket over. 0 (26m 6s): We're going to look at the bucket, but it's like, wow, you're in a shitty relationship. You hate your job. You make more money than you. Maybe want to. You have no direction and purpose. You don't even really believe in anything great. Or you haven't been outside ever. You don't make anything that you know, and then all of the sudden I don't move in my body, but gluten is my key. You know, or if we did all of the work here or maybe all of the sudden you consume a not so strict approach to, to nourishment and you feel fantastic. I just found out the other day, I feel pretty good all the time. Like I make sure. And if something's slightly off, I go in and I try to figure out why I'm not right. But I found out that I was living with mold for two years. 0 (26m 49s): No idea. And I did a podcast on it and it's like, was it a black male? Was it? No, it wasn't severe because if it was, I think my body would have given me a warning, even greater, but it just showed. I found out later because they sold our apartment and there is new owners and they did an inspection and it was like, wow, I look at it. It, it was a victory because I lived for two years in a mold setting and I felt fantastic. Now I'm doing all this work. They cleaned it out. I'm still doing what I'm doing. But the thing was, somebody is like, they'll look at it. Here's how somebody will try to spin that. Right. But if you were, if you didn't feel so good, you would have known that mold was in your place and you can cut it out. 0 (27m 30s): They try to make feeling good and healthy to be like a negative. And I'm like, well wait, but we can go exist in this environment. Not even be aware of stuff. And that's really how you want to live. And then you have a moderate approach, not an obsessive compulsive, but a moderate approach to trying to control the things around you. Because we try to control everything around us. We just would never leave outside. Right. We'd never go outside. And I know that was an extended answer for a short question, but 1 (27m 56s): You hit a couple of really interesting topics. So I'm a huge foodie. I'm very into kind of knowing what you eat. He eats like all of that I think is wildly important. You know, dynamic, farming, all of that good stuff. And I think people sometimes think it's a little crazy when someone says, you know, they could, this was made with love or, you know, like they think it's do, you know, just like a something your mom used to say. But I had this conversation with someone where you're talking about AI and you know, AI getting rid of all the jobs. And I was like, I feel like food might be one of those things where people pay extra. When, if they know it was made by an actual person, because there's this energetic, energetic exchange that happens when you cook it, especially if it's what you love to do. 1 (28m 39s): And you're cooking for someone that you care about, whether it's a customer, a family, or, or a romantic relationship, whatever, like there's something that you are putting into that. And I guess where I started to discover that was I had a, the worst relationship with food growing up. I think a lot of young women do. Yeah. We want to be skinny. We want to make sure we're counting our calories. We're eating Diet, this low fat that's. And again, the list of ingredients goes on and on. And I think that's kind of what led to me getting sick was a lot of what I was eating at the time, but I would eat something. And even if it was like low calories, slashed the fat, whatever, I would still in my head be guilty about it. 1 (29m 22s): And I would be like, this is going to turn in to fat. And I kind of always struggled with my, with my thyroid, not knowing what was happening there, but I think a lot of it was my relationship, my mental relationship with food. And then once I started improving my health and only eating like whole foods, like actual butter, I'm not doing that. You know, I can't believe it's not butter anymore. Actual sugar, not Splenda. I lost weight, got healthier. My thyroid got started to level out. I just felt better. And now I can like eat something that probably is wildly high in calories. But I don't. I mean, I haven't worked out with as hard as I did back then. 1 (30m 4s): I'm just taking like a casual, like as long as I'm trying to move, right? Like it's not like get skinny, get skinny kind of mentality. I shifted that relationship and my body has changed and it's wild. And I tell people this Because they're like, what do you eat? You must not eat anything that you just had a baby and you snapped back and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, I eat whatever I want. If I want pancakes, I'm having pancakes. And it's real maple syrup and it's not low-calorie right. It's the real thing. And if I want bacon, it's like, it's, pasture-raised pork. And I'm eating many pieces. As I want to eat that morning. I'm not reducing or starving myself. It's, it's eating the real version of that thing. 1 (30m 44s): And I can't tell you enough. It makes such a difference. I've was reading something. And they were saying, if you're trying to lose weight, have a good practice is to take a minute before you eat and like express gratitude for your meal and think of how it's nourishing your body and then eat it. And then that's going to show you positive results later down the road. So with your clients, do you have, I guess, any like coaching that you do when it comes to their diet? As far as getting them on the path to wellness. 0 (31m 14s): Okay. So what I love, I just start with strictly, nobody makes their own stuff anymore and I don't even, I won't even go like ingredient sourcing really, because it's overwhelming. Right. I'm just like, and I'll share with you a little 12 year old. I mean, he, he knows the dad and the mom or dad had him thinking that he had extra fat and he was fat and I'm like, Oh my God, like children's nervous systems are going. This is a time to actually support that. It's okay. It's okay. It's going to be okay. But he had, he had this complex and I was like, okay, what food do you think is not a good food for you? He was in the morning blueberry muffins. 0 (31m 55s): And so I literally had him this little 12 year old, got up, made his own blueberry muffins. He brought him in, had me try one. They were fantastic. He noticed he had less. So if we take three months and you just start making your own dressings, making your own food, like just going through that process of planning, it that's really the, if you can do that, I know you can type in to local harvest.org can locate a farm to go tour of the farm, near you to go to form a relationship with a local farmer. Like if I said that right away, it's like, Oh God, I gotta go. I gotta go be friends. Somebody's and I got to go. I don't want to bring someone else in on this whole thing. I'm like, no, I totally get it. 0 (32m 37s): But if, if I know somebody can just start. I mean, think about this. Just starting to make their own dressings. Like just dressing Because I mean, we all have salad, but you bomb a Newman's own dressing. Like if you just started to make your own dressings, or like you said, you know, make your own pancakes from scratch, make this just, just that alone. Then we can get more aggressive on the other stuff. But again, I'm a big, you don't have to count calories and the food's coming from a source because you'll just stop you. You'll just, you just won't eat anymore. You and I've been depressed and I've been angry. And I eat out of those emotions and I don't, I don't, I don't shame myself. 0 (33m 21s): I'm like, yup, 2 (33m 23s): I'm depressed. And I'm going to have it 0 (33m 26s): At this. And I'm going to enjoy this moment. And sure enough, the next morning, I don't feel as well. And like uncomfortable. Even if it's a whole, I'm like, Oh my gosh, why was I feeling that feeling? Why was I getting that? You know? But I love what I love now is in addition to that, giving people the resources, like there's a cookbook nourishing traditions from, from Western a price. And it's more like a textbook. I mean, if it shows you how to make your own sodas and how to make your own, Manet's make your own ketchup, make your own life just how we used to do things. These traditional forms of doing stuff, because you mentioned AI, everyone's trying to disconnect human to this newer, faster, more streamlined connected. 0 (34m 6s): And I couldn't see us. I think we're more disconnected than ever because of that. And some of this stuff now is getting back to that old school way of doing stuff, because I'll say it in any, in any facet of your health life, when the body is freaking out, it loves simple. It, it loves, that's why you go to some cancer place or you go to some holistic. They always fast. You write off the start. Why the most simple form of nutrients fast, like just stop. And it's like, okay, what's the first exercise we ever learned how to do a brief there's you're training for like the next month you are just going to breeze or you're going to move a baby, or what do we do after that? 0 (34m 48s): We stared at the son, you know, or we started to do these simple things like sleeping, a baby would sleep, breathe, nurse or a release eliminate, let's start, let's start there. You know? And so I love that giving people those, those resources, because what I'm trying to do, a friend of mine, who's the doctor. She had 20 minutes with one of her patients who, who had cancer. And it was one of the things that the parents were butting heads on, who wants what treatment? And it was this really uncomfortable thing because of the daughter was being pulled both ways in the middle, you know, and this little 13 year old angel, who's not feeling well, right? 0 (35m 32s): And this is scared. And so the doctor had 20 minutes with her and I, I get goosebumps now because if you have 20 minutes to talk to somebody and am I possibly the last time you're going to talk to them, you know, well, what would you want them to know as a God, I got goosebumps on goosebumps right now. So she goes, here's what I want you to do 3 (35m 55s): The model over there, 0 (35m 57s): Or that they have diagnosed you with. They use a certain language. So what I want you to do is I want you to get Harvard textbook or whatever, textbook of a medical facility that you trust. They always say Harvard, or they always say Stanford, you can rent these things. I want you to look at the diagnosis in there and then the treatments. And I want you to look at the language. So this is a girl moving forward with her care because she is going to try to beat this stuff naturally because the other side didn't work. It almost killed her. And she goes, she goes, I had to get her to understand the language they use. And she goes, we Hi in the diagnosis, she was reading some of this stuff. And she goes, look, it's hypothesized that this is, this is, this is, this is presumed. 0 (36m 42s): There is a 40% chance on a hypothesis of a, and she goes, what is hypothesis? She goes to a guest. Exactly. So they're guessing on all of these diseases, but over hear the treatment is ironclad, or you have to do this treatment on a guest. That's a percentage of a guest. So she just goes, listen to what she taught her in 20 minutes was how to think. And that's, that's what we've been disconnected. Nobody wants to think anymore. Like nobody, everybody wants to be told even in our world, even in the holistic world, Hey, will you stop doing that? When you guys organize the protests, we can end this. Will you tell me what to do? Know? Why are you being such a Dick? 0 (37m 23s): Just tell me I'm going to unfollow. Why do you do coffee enemas? It doesn't matter what I do them. Go research them, go try it. 3 (37m 34s): That's a good thing. Coffee, enema. Yeah. Oh my God. You were fantastic. 0 (37m 47s): I was turned on to it. And Kelly, Brogan's into him, my buddy, who is serving and he's been on 'em for a while. And every Saturday, Sunday I'll do three, three Saturday, three Sunday, but they're a Gearson therapy clinic. A bunch of cancer institutes. We'll do them. There's just a, there's something to him. And I, again, I have been drawn to certain things and if something comes across my dashboard and I can ignore it anymore, I, I go and I go, I go tackle it. And there is a couple of things. Well, I've been doing coffee and it was for quite a while. But again, I posted it on Instagram, just like a picture of me holding the bucket, not like me and a, and they're like, why do you do them? And I'm like, go research and find out why do you have to be such a Dick? I'm sorry, but that's where we're at now. 0 (38m 29s): Right? It is. I, the reason I told that story, there are a couple reasons, but she had 20 minutes that she wanted a thirteen-year-old to think about her care, to think about what her body is doing to think about the brilliance of it, because nobody else wants you to think that or critically think about anything. That's why they hide the information or they do stuff that's automated where they shut us down or they go, we got a skip back to that critical thought again. And I, I thought that was brilliant almost to tears Because you know, those little girls struggling and scared and when she was done with it, she was like, she had this like power back. Like I can do this. Yes you can. 1 (39m 10s): Yeah. I think that's so important because when you're, when you're really sick, it's a, it's a really vulnerable time. And the last thing you want is someone just like dismissing you and not including you and your own treatment plan. Like for me, that was the worst part of when I was sick. And I mean, obviously nowhere near as, as difficult as cancer, but I'm still very traumatic. And the most powerful thing was when I decided to, you know, take my autonomy back and say, I'm going to participate in my healthcare decisions because it's my body. So I think it's, it's really wonderful to, to try and get people to actually do the research. And obviously know you don't have a degree, but that I can tell you right now. 1 (39m 52s): I probably know more about like S and graves' disease than most doctors do. And that's just a fact, do you know what I mean? Like, I have lived with it for so long that I've consumed so much material from all sides, because I don't have a dog in the fight. Right? Like, I don't care if you're a wholistic or if you're a traditional medicine I'm going to read both. And then I'm going to kind of see where I feel the science makes the most sense are like the outcome's make the most sense where both parties are, so can be so convicted in their team that they're not willing to hear the other side. So I think you have a huge advantage from being the patient, right? Cause you're, you're just so open to anything really. 0 (40m 31s): That's what I love. And that's how I think is way more powerful. That's why I'm burning my degrees is that I, the degrees limited me. The degree made me worse and a full on full se that is $500,000 in education I could have gotten. I mean, it's a good will hunting quote. It's a, it's the, a dollar 45 and late charges of the public library. Like we, we could just go get the information, dive down and go access it in this unbiased way, you know? And then you go and then you go see what fits with you. What, what resonates keep what makes sense, discard the rest and never stop digging, keep going, keep going. And that's what makes you, the doctors should be listening to you, not the other way around, but we've got it to where it's, I'm degreed science says, and now it's even over 90%, there might not be any science left out there. 0 (41m 18s): That's not bought or purchased according to Dr. Tenpenny. And some others who are like it's. So that the whole like science, science is like challenging, right? Like science is never settled. It's a that I don't know, but that that's a scary thing, but I would put what you said right there. We don't have to be scientists, virologists, immunologists doctors to take a, an active approach in our health journey, our bodily sovereignty, our autonomy, like you said, a it's our accountability, our responsibility right now. They joked, the doctors will put, put the post. Yeah. My degrees and your mom Googled the term or whatever. 0 (41m 59s): And then over here, like, yeah, I can Google because I'm not bound by some, you know, school credit. It's like, everybody's using that thing. And I, what, what seems to work with you? I'm not saying either go, whatever sits with you, I know what I'll do, you know what you will do? And that's all we can do. 1 (42m 16s): Okay. Yeah. So I think another really important part to Healing is the mindset, right? Like that's kind of going to be the determining factor and you know, I'm sure you do, but do you keep up with Joe Dispenza? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so I think for anyone that doesn't know what he's doing, really powerful stuff, when it comes to Healing, I credit that man. And like a lot of those practices as well. I think a lot of it is believing that you're going to get better and it's going to sound crazy, but like your level of like a true happiness, like if you were just a Hi, if you are neutral, as happy and grateful and at peace vs, are you constantly in fight or flight? 1 (43m 0s): Right. Which a lot of us were, I definitely was like, I was always like ready. I don't know what I was ready for, but I was ready. You know what? It was just like constantly waiting for a sky to fall kind of a thing. And I did so much work with that and forgiving all sorts of things, forgiving myself, forgiving other people. And I started to do these meditative practices and realized like, there's something more to this Healing process is when I started to see results. So I guess my question is, do you think a lot of times when people seek out holistic specialists, like they were already at that point of discomfort where they're, they're willing to Blake to kind of take a magnifying glass to like their own, Because like their own, what's the word a blame is like a gross word. 1 (43m 52s): I don't want to say blame, but like taking accountability, 0 (43m 55s): Accountability. Yeah. We have, we've asked, we asked Sarah G of GreenMedInfo and he was on our podcast. I asked Dr. Northrup a bias, Dr. Brogan asked, do we have to bottom out to really take the action? Like, do we, you and I have had our journeys and like, who was I on? I did a live, we did three lives on Saturday. We launched our nonprofit. We did, it was one of those things. We've seen the future of where this heads do. You know what I mean? So we can say, no, you got do that. We can say with the emotion, this is what you have to do. But people have to get to that point to want to change. 0 (44m 38s): And that's what stinks for us because we have loved ones and we want to save people. And I love humanity. And I want to, I don't want to save some people, but I can save them. So I have to acknowledge like, Hey, even in my family, like, I love you all, but it's your life. And I'm here if you once, but it's not. So when somebody finally comes in through the door, typically they've gone through the, the meat plant and they've seen, they've seen behind. And they're just like, I just, I don't, I didn't ever trusted what was going on. I, it didn't work. I'm worse now. I, and then they are open and ready and willing. And so a lot of the times, when you do say, when you do say this is going to take some work on your part, this is going to, and again, you, you don't call 'em out, but they have to admit this, the choices I've made up until this have led my body expressing this way. 0 (45m 32s): And that's why I wants to heal. And it's not your body hating you and your body's doing it Because it loves you and wants you to keep going. And as soon as you like mold that reality, like, wait, this is, this is maybe the most important relationship we all have. Not our kid, not our husband on our wives. Not Are. Nope. You, you first, it's like the most loving relationship with you. And then you realize, well, wait, it's got my back at all times, another doctor for a friend of mine, Cassie Huckabee, she said, she goes, you know what? And it was when she phrased this, I use this with all my talks and stuff, because it makes me want to almost cry. She goes up, we, we poison ourselves. We, we defile it. 0 (46m 13s): We talk bad to it. We have bad thoughts about it. We, we give it poor food. We torture it. We punish it. It keeps coming back and it still loves you. 4 (46m 25s): It's like, 0 (46m 27s): We're, we're so cruel to it, but it loves us back no matter what. And when I heard that, it was like, Oh my God. I mean, we've all had relationships, right? We've all had, it's like, it's like the dog, the dog keeps coming back in, wants to party. No matter how many times you punish it. And it's like, dude, everything that's going on in your body, everything, not everything is random. Everything has a, that blue spot on your right knee, the war you had as a planter's wart at 10 years old, there was a reason for all of that. And the body doesn't know how to speak. It just knows it in the language of expression symptoms, whatever they would call. This is just the body, right? 0 (47m 9s): A cold sweat pit of your stomach, vomiting, a fever and itching sensation, acne. I mean, is it really any different than cancer cancers? Just the way the body is maneuvering things, to put them into a detoxing process to help you survive shit. That's, that's huge. Then we can talk about it in this huge spectrum of just, this is the body. This is the relationship. This is that mindset we have with the most loving exchange in union. And this is coming from a single guy, like I'm, I'm talking to Dr. Northrup. I'm like, I'm kind of okay. Like being single, like I really truly love myself. So, and it would be cool to share this eventually, but I'm not like feeling like I'm missing out because I have done so much personal work. 0 (47m 53s): That's like my God, first and foremost, I got to take care of me first and foremost. Here's what we got. And you said, Dr. Joe Dispenza, we went to the same chiropractic school. Yeah. And he started off as a Kairo and then obviously learned, you know, there's, there's more he wants to get into. And that's kind of one of the, where I got those eight essentials, his, he has four points, four things people have in common to radical healings. And I kind of took in his list and I was like, wow, that's interesting to all his thousands of stories, right. You read and seen a becoming supernatural and you are the placebo and like just fantastic books. Right? 0 (48m 34s): But that first one believing in something greater than yourself and to that, your body is self healing and self regenerating. Those two top points. You can get those two everything after it will be good. Like, like, Oh, but we want, do you want to heal? Or do you not? And all of those stories of that woman healed cancer and you hear it. And it just, she just goes, you will hear the story. And there is a little key note in to all of these stories. And if you listen to that language, it goes, they were fed up and they wanted to fix this, or they wanted to do this. It was just that desire of want. And when we have that intention and that's why Dr. 0 (49m 14s): Dawson church, again, he goes to the intention in your spirituality, your feelings behind that and knowing, and you're going to take this on, I've got it. Now, check your relationships. Cause I know you got him and I know how they have a home. And if the relationship's in your life are antagonizing that belief in that, Ooh, we got a, we got a set up boundaries or we gotta cut some, some old what I mean, Because if they're getting it in the way of pushing this doubt and to you and constantly surrounded you, you have to be surrounded by this whole thing. That's, that's what she would probably be attracted to behind. I've got this, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this right now. 0 (49m 54s): And every story of healing is preceded with. I knew I could, but think about that the four minute mile, the four minute mile, it was like unbreakable Because medicine and said, it's unbreakable. You can break the four-minute mile medicine. 5 (50m 10s): You're heart will explode in your heart will explode to pull up. 0 (50m 13s): This is off your body is like not possible. So nobody does it. World-wide the doubt was set. The ceiling was set. And then one day you did it. And then within a month, like 18 other people across the world did it. It was like, yeah. And that's where if one person's healed from whatever they've labeled with the name, then you have that capacity inside. You, you have that option. It's here. Lets do it. 1 (50m 35s): So why do you think we have to reach like an unbearable amount of suffering before we get our shit together? And I'm no different, like, that was very much a nice story too. I was, I was, I was a stubborn is they come? So why, why is that our nature? 0 (50m 51s): Okay. So being, I think being an a, in a very, so I'm not a, I'll read two books and will experience what 19 others have written. Do you, do you know what I mean? Like, I'll go on to experience it on my buddies who are just reads all the time and he's like, Oh yeah, you know that thing you're doing on feel. Yeah. It's so-and-so did it back in 1952 when you wrote about it or they wrote about it, blah, blah, blah. So I think we're in defense. We're always in like survival that we don't want to. If we thought about all the dangers, like if we're constantly on guard, cause we've, we've been like evolved through, we have to protect this now and go and it, it always defaults to storing fat. 0 (51m 40s): Why? Because there was a famine, couldn't it be the opposite? Couldn't it just be easier that we it's just like easier to lose, but that's not our, it's not how we've we've we've gone through this in the span of time, you know? Like it's always been from really what threats do we have right now? I mean, we'd kind of a cruise in a car and we have food on every, you know, you and I know differently, but the, the general, there's not much, we really need to worry about it in the, in the lions, in our caves type scenario, you know? So I think it's got to be, we have to experience the feeling and the thoughts of what it would be like to either have it. 0 (52m 22s): That's why I've said, and I said it during this whole thing and I don't, I don't want it to be taken wrong on so many people have. I don't think we've changed enough with what's going on right now. Like for us to be better. Like, I don't think we've gotten scared enough. And I don't like the people are suffering and going through a lot of stuff, man, because I know a lot of people who are having issues and my God, but I will say we need a stimulus greater than the stimulus that caused the injury in the first place or the imbalance. Now what is a stimulus? A stimulus could be you and I having, or are you and your husband having a difficult discussion about something and emotionally you measured it on like an eight out of 10, like damn he measured a nine or like you guys had some really, really tough moments. 0 (53m 9s): Okay. So the body is going to try to compensate and survive that environment until something opposing that comes in to offset that and get the body to go. That wasn't necessarily a bad thing. That was just a, that we experienced in this string of life. Oh, because otherwise it'll say if it starts coming up towards that. No, not that again. Not that again. Oh my God. Oh my God. And it could be in the version of anything. It could be anything at all, you know? Like what triggered that because your husband was wearing blue that day or you were wearing it. And then all of the sudden, now the music was playing and now every time you have that music, Oh shit. 0 (53m 50s): Oh my God. And then it's like, wait, we got to come back and go above that. We can use it in injury. We can use it in death divorce. I mean, I had a family member die and there was one of the worst moments of my life. But it was like the greatest most of my life, because my perception and awareness of, of what was valuable to me now, I have bottomed out since then. But I made that moment in my life make this, like, I couldn't be more grateful that I got to experience my brother for 28 years and his death. Although I'd love to have him here. He's somewhere greater. I don't know where, who is that. But like, for me, that was one of the greatest moments in my life. And it's like your brother dying. Yes. Because of that, that event was the work I did is still doing today 10 years later, like, wow, are we ever done? 0 (54m 38s): I wish that's why I wish we could get people to understand what it would feel like. And all we can do is share, share, share, but in the end, it's their journey. It's their personal, my dad's going through some, some health stuff now. And I, I look at death so differently now I'm looking at him and I'm just like, it's not a scary thing. It's not something that we're trying to avoid. This is his past. This is his life. His spirits might be ready to leave. Have we asked him what he wants to do is like we have to get him to the doctor. We have to get him to this. We have to get this test. This test. Does he want it? Like, I don't know if he wants those things or if he wants to hang around, I would hope all share a story real quick, the guy's next door. 0 (55m 22s): And he had a American bulldog and those dogs aren't there, like in bread to hell their noses or all smashed. They got wrinkles like infections on their face. He's got so many issues and they don't live long. Well, he was starting to not on Christmas Eve. He was going down by the, where the other animals are buried that they had for like 30 years, their pets in the yard. And he never goes down there. And so they kept bringing them up and putting them in the inside, bringing them and putting them inside. And then all of a sudden he was having this internal organs shift and some really scary stuff. And then he passed away right after that. Well, I look at death differently, especially after 2020. And I'm looking at that story and I'm like, his body knew, he knew he was coming to an end. 0 (56m 6s): Where was he going? Where he felt comfortable, which was amongst these other, I don't, I mean, I'm just trying to make sense of this. Right? So if we looked at that and I was, his name is snack pack and I was snack back the bull dog and I was going down to this part of the yard. I would want my loved ones to come join me down here. They know what I mean. If you look at it, like what if we curled up in the bushes with him and we were aware he wanted it to be, as he transitioned to this thing, his life I wanted, you start to look at that. Instead of the other way, we do it in a lie four. We put somebody on in the hospital for a month, you know? And, and that's fine. That's a choice of whatever it was a great, we have access to a lot of this stuff, but what if they just wanted to go to the bushes with their, you know, their, their, and feel comfortable and to have this transition be something that's very peaceful with some loving people around them. 0 (56m 59s): I don't, I don't, I don't know. 1 (57m 1s): That's a very empathic of you though. I think we, as a society have a lot and we've lost a lot of that. And it sucks because that's what creates those really amazing, magical relationships. Whether it's with another person or even with other animals, you don't, you can't get into that head space and you can't think of like, well, what do they want? What are they trying to tell me? How are you going to make them the happiest? And I think a lot of that is because we're getting away from that thought that something is bigger and more powerful than us. And it's not to say it has to be organized religion, or it has to be spirituality, or it has to be Buddhism. 1 (57m 41s): There are so many paths to that concept, but it's almost like it's almost looked at it like you're living in the Victorian era. If you talk about God or the universe, or if you talk about destiny, any of these things, people kind of get really turned off about it. It's it's curious, how did we get there? Cause to me that's so egotistical to think that we are like, as big as it gets and it's the cynical to think that this is it right. And maybe that's like a romantic and me, but I consider myself to be a pretty spiritual person. And it's hard for me to grasp, I guess the, just like the knowing that you're right. 1 (58m 23s): And that there's nothing else. 0 (58m 24s): Right. I, so I, I feel closest. I was raised in church and church just never felt comfortable to me the whole, the whole of it. And I'm not saying whatever, or if somebody wants to believe, but when I was sitting there, okay, this is supposed to be this connection with this person called God and there's okay. Okay. I get it. I, I get it was, and there's good. And there's bad. All right. I feel closer to whatever my version of God is when I'm standing by the ocean or when I'm watching pelicans surf a wave, or I'm looking at the moon or the stars or an I'm looking at our IME in a forest, you know, you mentioned forward a Sterling. 0 (59m 5s): Like I feel closer to, or more than I ever have sitting in a, in a church. And that's one of those things that it's in various forms. It can be in the looking the eyes of your newborn. Like that could be something that is like, Oh my God, I just grew that. And its like this infinite potential on site and they're more connected to spirit and we will ever be ever as adults. Like what could I learn from that little thing right there? And then you put something like that. We've only explored and know 4% of the ocean, like, and I'm stepping in this thing that we don't know anything. That was another conversation I had with the, with that Cassie Dr. Cassie Huckabee, what do we know? 0 (59m 47s): Like without, with all certainty, what do we know? And there's not much, you know, and when you go there, it is for some cause they wanna control. They want to control and control and control. It's like, I find that very empowering, the fact that I don't know, and that it is this exploration that every day is something like, wow, what can I see today? Since we don't know? And the infinite potential that is around us at all times is connected into us and our cells on a level through light that is like, we, we don't have that. There is no limit that, that right there just has me fighting. And it has me getting up in the morning and has me grateful like some days harder than others, but that, that small little thing, one keeps me tiny. 0 (1h 0m 34s): And then in that tiny is this, you know, expensive a possibility. So 1 (1h 0m 42s): It's, there's this quote and it says, it's not what you don't know that it gets you in trouble. It's what you know, to be certain. And if you think about it, it's like, yeah, that's pretty accurate. That's gotten me into most of the trouble in my life. And then once I started to accept that I don't have all of the answers and I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm just trying to live every day with tiny bits of improvement. Right. It's doing what I can do. It's been a lot easier. 0 (1h 1m 10s): Okay. And you're lucky you have a newborn. So now you can get instructions from like this higher being. This is crazy. 1 (1h 1m 16s): It's very cool that you say that because we are, we just started this conscious parenting course. And I feel like a lot of it where like all of course, but then we relate it to like our parents who are obviously of a couple generations older and it was like, Ooh, well they were not conscious or aware of. And they were very reactive parents because it wasn't. And I like, even before we started this, we've always had that, that attitude that we're probably gonna learn more from him than he learns from us. Like, I don't know why that was just kind of instinctive for us. But that was very much not the case with you or either of our upbringing. Right. Like my parents were like, you don't know anything, listen to your elders. 1 (1h 1m 57s): Exactly. And I'm like, they're, there is such an opportunity here. I always say to re-experience magic because they see the world so different than we do. Right. Like they don't have all these filters on. So it's like, well, what is he paying attention to here? What's he trying to tell me with this? And then it really just trying to rediscover what it is to be present. Right. 0 (1h 2m 18s): I love it. I love it. Yeah. 1 (1h 2m 20s): It's really, really incredible. So for me, it's like, it's the best. And I think going to be the most challenging thing I've done, I'm hoping this conscious parenting will give me a leg up on it. Cause I'm trying not to like mess them up too bad. 0 (1h 2m 33s): That's the thing. Right? Like the fact that you're even acknowledging what you just said, right there is, is better than what we were exposed to or, or what, you know, just that right there. But he very, very fortunate these growing up in a house that has to be parents talking like that, like that, that it makes me feel good about youth. You know, like there is a tall houses where these youth are being exposed to that down. I'm so grateful for what I was exposed to, how it was raised because I am who I am now. It's like, okay. Wow. All right. Let's try to lets try to propagate that. Like get that going. That thought process. 1 (1h 3m 12s): Yeah. Hopefully there's a little bit more of that and a little bit less of the traditional parenting approach, but we'll find out. Yeah. Like one of her opening lines was, Oh no, this was another thing I'm doing a bunch of these masterclasses. I obviously I'm obsessed with like learning and self-improvement, but it's funny. Like do you find like some things just like come across to you and you're like, I wasn't looking for that, but that popped up and I'm intrigued. So I have to go do it, I guess maybe like your coffee on them. It's just something that was calling you or anything. So I was signing up for, or a re logging into my master class on my TV. And it had, you could go on your computer to connect the whole thing. It was like, well this is fricking annoying. 1 (1h 3m 53s): I just want to watch this one class. So I log on and it has a trailer for RuPaul come on. And I was like, I don't follow him. That's really like outside of my like normal interests and all of that. But I I'm trying to log in and it's playing, playing, playing, and the whole message was on creativity and finding your authentic self. And it was like, well, that actually does sound really interesting. So maybe I'll just see what a couple of the shorter intros are about this and without judgment. Right. Cause I'm like, Oh, it's probably going to be like all like superficial and drag. And that doesn't apply to me, but I just, I just go into it and it starts getting into like frequencies and generational traumas and how most parents that most of our parents had never had a loving relationship with themselves. 1 (1h 4m 42s): So how are they going to love someone else and all of this, like really deep, cool content. And I was like, I feel like this is something I need to explore. So yeah. I'd feel like when stuff like that, that happens. It's like a little serendipitous like hints write and you just have to follow them and see where they lead. 0 (1h 5m 1s): So that's what this is. So to give you, so I fully like on those, I'll see those more and more and Dr. Dawson church from studying this, like studying these things, he goes when those moments happen, Because I shared one of the biggest moments and then others will like, like more and he's like, that's how you know, your, your ascended and your now vibrating at a higher frequency. You are Hi because you're, you're now being aware of them. Those are always open to us. They're always there. When are we ready? Some people are so closed off that they just never see him. They just cruise by somebody else called them cosmic winks that I love. 0 (1h 5m 43s): I love that. Right? Like cosmic winks. And I was like, so if you, if you all of a sudden notice that there's more your, your on it, keep going, like, like whatever you're doing, you're, you're here versus here, like for di to on your way up. And I'd never, he studied consciousness is more infectious than contagion. Our thoughts can affect my thought to you or your husband's thoughts could really create an internal environment based on what's going on there. Then passing something from the outside into you, that what he was talking about, ah, like a flu shot. And he goes to consciousness is like 40% more infectious than any germ. 0 (1h 6m 25s): And it was like, Oh my God, like that makes so much sense to me, but he's proving it with his science right. Of what they're able to measure now. So when you notice those, so you're when this happens, you're done. 1 (1h 6m 38s): Okay. Interesting. So I have to share this story. I told my husband, like I went to this store the other day and I was driving into whole foods and they were these two of 'em like homeless man on the corner. There is usually like one or two there. And someone had just given them like a bunch of Panera. So we were just hanging out and eating. I was just like watching and all of a sudden I got the number 25, the number 25 just came to me like in dollars specifically. So it was like, okay, maybe I'm supposed to buy like a gift card and just, you know, hand these guys like a gift card. Like that's what I made made of that. So I do my shopping and I'm checking out and there is this woman in front of me and I can really see anything because the whole distancing and what not. 1 (1h 7m 18s): And she had a jacket and it, it turns out she was paying with like an EBT card. Okay. And like all of a sudden I am putting my stuff up and I hear the cashier go, okay, you owe $25. So my, like I perk up, but I'm trying not to be nosy. And she didn't here. So he repeated it and she goes, Oh, I'm sorry, I don't have any, I don't have that. She was like, why is that her card? For some reason, it wasn't covering the food that she needed to buy. So I kind of peek over and she's got a one or two-year olds and the car. And she was like very upset. And the cashier is like, let me go get the manager and see if he can maybe come to you. I don't know, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I'll take it. And everyone just stopped and looked at me and did it say anything? 1 (1h 8m 1s): And I was like, yeah, I'm like more than happy. Like I'll cover it. And she was so like taken aback. She couldn't, she didn't couldn't say anything. She literally couldn't get any words. And I just screwed it in and like paid or whatever. And she was like, I lost my wallet and I don't have anything and blah, blah. I was like, it's fine. Like, I've been there. I've, you know, it's a terrible place to be. I hope you have a good day. And the cashiers were just like, still just jaws on the ground. And I was like, it's 25 bucks. And like I had to do it. And it was just the weirdest thing. I'm going to start crying afterwards. It's like the crashes, we're all emotional. And I like to tell my husband that you won't believe what just happened. Like the weirdest thing it, cause it was, I was like, I couldn't ignore it. And it was, I was like, I don't know what the significance of that is because to me it was just 25 bucks. 1 (1h 8m 45s): But where it gets weird is that that number pops in my head before it was just so interesting. I was like, I wish I could know where that line. 0 (1h 8m 54s): Yeah. Right. Yeah. I know it may be. Maybe you knowing that it changes that it wouldn't have, if you knew what your, you know what I mean? It just came. We went on trust and faith and I dunno. Wow. And people are saying like, this sounds weird. I think we can throw that out. And I don't think that that phrase works anymore. Like this that is so hard. Or if we were, we were ascended stuff like that would be like, Oh yeah, where are we going to eat? We will call upon this stuff. Do you know what I mean? Like that's maybe how we were supposed to be. This is so those stories I love, I love it. 0 (1h 9m 35s): I love it. I love it. Okay. 1 (1h 9m 37s): Yeah. So when we, when we start talking about like that interconnectedness and like that like that energetic field, Which there is actually a science, like, I don't know how they do it. Cause it's way above my IQ level, but it's out there. I've been doing a lot with it because I recently got a horse and a lot of it is so that their energetic field is like 10 times that of a person and doing like, there's a lot of like equine therapy that you can do. And like getting into their energetic field because they are very empathetic creatures. So like, if you're anxious, the horse will start getting anxious. If you are in a bad mood, the horse is going to be in a bad mood. So it teaches you a lot about being aware in your field of your feelings and like not hiding from them Because you can't, when you are on the horse, right? 1 (1h 10m 22s): Like that you could get injured if you do. So when it comes to that, if you can energetically connect to another animal, right. We know that we can energetically connect to other people. So how do you think that works? When we start talking about healing and we start healing ourselves and the ripple effect and the energetic affect on other people. 0 (1h 10m 45s): That's another thing. That's the reason that I, one of the reasons I moved to California, I was in Chicago for 14 years, Northern, Northern suburbs of Chicago. And I was living like a beam on his life. I could be happy, like, like Mandela was happy in prison because he shaped his mind. Victor Frankel, like made some sort of paradise in a concentration camp. Like again, I could, what was it in a concentration camp? I mean, he was Northern Illinois. So I don't know. It just the weather and everything else. I'm like, I'm just not happy. Like this sucks, man. I deserve more than this. This is not why I was born. But I was bringing that in to my practice. And I was touching people if I'm touching them. 0 (1h 11m 28s): Well, now I'm exchanging shit. They don't. I mean, they know it, but they don't know it. You know what I mean? And I'm like, I am not going to practice this way. Like I, I'm not going to do it for them. I'm not going to do it for me. And that's when I started the journey of trying to find where I want to be. So that I'm just like, like literally Hi on life almost every single day I come in because of the exchange that I have with that person as a practitioner. Right. And then I do these posts on my Instagram often it's T J and only time only is a neighborhood cat, O M I E. And is this little tuxedo cat. And at first he, he he's very picky and choosy because he knows, he feels, he sees right stuff. 0 (1h 12m 12s): We can't even your, your, your son can see on the horse can see it, but you and I can see right now, but we are trying. Right. And so they came to what is the most vulnerable part of the cat, their belly. And so I was, I'm a, I've owned cats. I've owned animals. Like ever since I was a kid, I feel like I connect with them very well. And a while back I was, I was petting him and I was doing something and I went for his belly and he like, you know, he nipped me and it was like, alright, okay. And then he wouldn't hang out. He wouldn't. And then all of a sudden, one day there was a shift and now he lets me like lay up behind him and I'll put, he hooks his back leg over my arm. Like he pulls it in and I can scratch his belly. 0 (1h 12m 53s): And he'll like drool and purring mess. Like he just like, so that's our thing. And I, I made the post yesterday and was just like connect with animals as often as you can, one to just to learn. If you literally look and see their responses to you and see that exchange to you, you can learn more about yourself and exactly what you're saying with the equine therapy. Right? Like, or, or getting in the ocean or doing something where there's animal based. Like they're so pure. But my octopus teacher, I don't know if you saw that. 6 (1h 13m 27s): Okay, good stuff 0 (1h 13m 31s): Is that, I just think we can learn from so much more around us than who we're putting up on these pedestals. We should put animals and children and women up on these pedestals. Like, Hey, you guys are connected. 6 (1h 13m 42s): Is it like, teach us? We can, we learn like what's going on? 0 (1h 13m 46s): And what can you show us? Because understanding to, I think that the, the, the seriousness of what I'm trying to say, I moved because I was a practitioner who wasn't healed healthy. I'm never healed. I mean, we were all doing the work, but I was affecting people because I was exchanging them with a touch exchanging and being in their presence. And you go out, we have to think the profound impact that we have by Kelly Brogan says it, Dr. Kelly Brogan. She goes, you owe it to humanity to heal yourself, to do the work. And I just, when she said that, I'm like, that's exactly how it is because you and I right now are putting up into the ether. 0 (1h 14m 30s): This, this energetic expression is this energetic signature, a healed one is beneficial to people across the globe. So we owe it being here to do the daily work, to try to evolve and adapt at a higher level and serve humanity. Like, that's it. So it's not just like, Oh, I want to heal because I want to be able to enjoy my kids and do this, this, this, you, you owe it to everything. Like your, your exchange of you being brought on to the earth is to, we would say, you know, serve higher-level This, that he'll like, he'll go, that's it. So think of that. 0 (1h 15m 10s): Think of that, like contract, think of that, you know, binding agreement you have with now, it, all of a sudden does bring you, but it shows how you're connected with everything around you. And I think that's profound. Chokes me up, holds me accountable as well, you know, for my, my service. And it's like, we can get very wrapped up in our own, our own stuff, you know? But I think that's the bigger picture is a, we owe it to humanity. Or if we want to change and shift things, heal yourself, go in and try to better yourself, all the alerts in one more story. All of the alerts. When I interviewed him, he was a former SAS, like a special forces dude. So I want to just a different perspective, honestly, the way he talks is the way you and I talked the way Kelly Brogan talks. 0 (1h 15m 54s): He's just like, yeah, what are you talking about? Accountability and responsibility for yourself. He's like, we had something when we were in the shit. And there was a whole battalion of us. We have a one meter squared rule, like, what's that you worry about one meter square around you, everything within that one meter, you take care of two, the greatest of your ability. If we all do it, we all just became this cohesive unit that could take down or whatever they're going to do. And they're there. They're tougher to disperse and destroy. And I thought that was fantastic because we always look to the, Hey over there. What are you doing for me? Hey, can you protect my, there is that element, but we gotta go first. And that's a special forces. Bad-ass saying the same thing, you know, 1 (1h 16m 36s): That is really cool. Yeah. It's, I'm reading this Zen book right now. And he was saying like the Zen Buddhists say like, you have to tend to your own garden before you do anything else before you source anything else. In a lot of times we think that's selfish, right? We're like, yeah, how dare you create boundaries for yourself? Like, I need your help. But a lot of that comes from not having your own boundaries. Right. And then you expect others not to do it. So I think it's really important to understand. It's like the failure cup first. So you have your cup and then you have maybe like, your husband has a cup of below you and your, your child has one below they're and then your in-laws are, but beneath that, we are at whatever order you'd like, but the idea isn't to take from your cup and just disperse it evenly, and then your left empty it's to overfill your cup, to wear that there's such an abundance it's expelling out. 1 (1h 17m 27s): And then everyone is benefiting from that. So it's a lot less of a scarcity mindset. And just having like that abundant mindset and like, it was as long as I'm doing the best for myself, it's going to make my child the happiest in my marriage, the happiest. And it is just a different perspective, rights. And we're positive in like empowering perspective that you have to write. 0 (1h 17m 47s): Right? So all of that, you have a partner. Like, I love that too. It filters out those that are willing to accept that Because some people would look at that as selfish or, or what's in it for me, or, and if it makes that what's our company that we want to surround yourself or somebody looking for a mate, somebody like there's a lot of these defining factors like that. And then you now are raising a child in that environment with that mindset. That's amazing. 1 (1h 18m 14s): You have to have it as a parent because it is, it's something I'm still learning. 'cause that mom guilt is there, right? Like when I, like I have to drive half an hour to go, to get to my horse. And then my lesson is depending, you know, anywhere from one to two and a half hours and I have to drive back and it was like all of this time. And I'm like, I should be spending with him and I'm selfish, but that's not true when you really sit with it. It's I need to do this for a host of reasons. Right. I go out there for, I, I said that the other day, and my Twitter is like, this is where I learned the most about myself is actually in nature with the horse. And then it makes me a better wife. It makes me a better mom. And it just, it improves me in all areas. So it's really important to have that positive, abundant mindset. 1 (1h 18m 56s): I can't stress that further for anyone that's on that path to self-improvement. So for anyone that has had enough pain and has reached like their, their, their max for pain and discomfort and shit, what would you suggest are like just the very first steps to take two to Healing? 0 (1h 19m 23s): Yeah. So again, I'm going to repeat those eight essentials. I have my clients, if they want, I don't, I don't instruct anybody do anything, right. I always suggest, like, if you want to, you take an inventory, you write them down in linear fashion dispense. I will say the same thing. You write your intention on the left, like what you want just about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then your rate, the feelings on the REIT. And it has to be the feelings that if you, if you have that, so we are getting to that. Okay. So you list your eight one, a belief in something greater than yourself. You just start describing what that means to you and its individual. You don't want to share this with anybody. That's your thing too. What's your purpose? Small, medium, large. What's your beat? Bigger. What's your medium, some small purposes. 0 (1h 20m 5s): Like sometimes honestly, it's just to go outside, lay in the sump for 30 minutes and come back in and like, that's it like, and that's not to be judged for some people, for them, not just to get out of bed was a big deal. You know? So again, that's going to vary, but do a small, medium, large number three, your relationships, people that understand your belief in something greater and your purpose and Support that. And then the people that also challenge those. We want them, both the ones that put the mirror in front of the ones that antagonize and ridicule and mock, and just don't either boundary or totally gone. I'm a, I'm a totally gone person. Like it's just, you're out. 0 (1h 20m 46s): Like, there's just nothing sweet maps again. What does that mean to you? How can we fit to them in 70 to 19 minute naps throughout the day, maybe four or five of those. We have the opportunity to do a seven minute crash here or there sleep. This is huge breath, meditation, prayer, again, whatever, whatever that means. You've got to ride it in and see what you currently are doing. Again, this is an inventory. Not only what is it, but what do you do to like, be mindful of each of these? I thought, what am I doing to tend to my purpose? Do I have to know my purpose? Who is in my life? And you list your relationships that are, that are beneficial. And the ones that beneficially challenge you. 0 (1h 21m 26s): Number six, getting outside were how often a, maybe your feelings when you are outside. What are you, how do you feel? You wanna start to connect those things? Number seven nourishment. I'm starting to just again, see what that is. While I eat out six days a week, I'm going to eat out for days a week and I'm going to make two meals. Bam, there's your change? You know, a and then body movement a is the last one. Is it just daily walks? I like that. The, ah, there's a couple things on movement. We always link it to like exercise a for weight loss or some sort of a sport. But if we got inside our bodies that the cellular level, it would be a highway of speeding cars and all of this stuff going on, like, wait, nothing is still, no digestion is movement. 0 (1h 22m 17s): Healing is movement. Thoughts are movement. Light is a movement like movement is life something very, very simple. A 90 plus year old heart surgeon who, who is still operating. I believe he goes to move every joint. The number of times you are years old per day. So as you age, you moved those joints more, which is so counterintuitive. What we've been told, if a joint is compromised, you move that joint two to 300 times. I've been, I've been doing that for 20 years in my practice on different grades only. And if you think about your son, I think he takes like 30,000 attempts to take three successful steps. 0 (1h 22m 58s): So 30,000 efforts like you and I, and I have rep schemes in my office that are sometimes 12,000 rep. And I just did the other day. I posted, you know, a thousand RDL and a thousand lay curls. It was like a thousand that I was like, well, I just did him in one shot, but somebody else can do them over the course of 16 hours. You know what I mean? So if you think about it, your, your son is gonna like plank for hours. He was going to crawl thousands of steps like that is bad ass. And if we get back to what those kinds of things, give us in the, in the, they almost help integrate everything else. Now here's what we do. You sit and you look at those in that inventory and you be honest, be honest, nobody is going to judge it. 0 (1h 23m 40s): And we course, 7 (1h 23m 40s): When you see this 0 (1h 23m 43s): Or you can improve, everybody knows a guy he's just not good for me. She's not good for me. That food is not good, but we don't want to like tell people, but you can say, yeah, yeah. And you just start to see these little checks, okay. This is what I can improve upon. Then. Here's what I want. Here's the key. And this is back on Dr. Dawson church. This is, this is the missing ingredient because everybody looks at that and goes home. There's a program that I can check the boxes. I'm going to be healthy. If I checked those eight boxes, no, you will not. And there's many, many people that will look at that and go, I did everything you said, what do you have to find? How they're all integrated the intention and the feelings behind all of them. 0 (1h 24m 27s): We have to bring them all together. And that's the challenge. That's what, that's the unique signature that we each carry. 'cause that list. It's the same for everyone, but it's not what we start filling it out. We start applying it. And then here's the deal. Just like you said, with the cup, you can apply a a hundred percent of yourself to each of those every single day. It's not possible. So I'll do it. People will ask me, do you do an inventory? Yes. I have a running one in my head at all times, everything I do will pop into one of those eight is this thing I'm about to take on going to help those eight hurt those eight or a strip. One of those, like, that's what I, and if it does, if it takes it apart, if it takes it away, I don't do that thing. 0 (1h 25m 8s): Or I don't hang out with that person. Or I don't know when it comes to food, do I eat pizza? Do I crush a root beer? Hell yeah. Yes. And I celebrate that because my intention behind that was different. Do I eat pizza all the time? No. If I did, I would make pizza all the time from scratch. So there's like, there's like a give and take in a being when you start to see like how it all, there is no bad. Anything you, you know, it's all, it's all stimulus. It's all teaching us. It's all just part of what we're putting together to put ourselves in the best position possible. And perfection is not it. You can't be it's okay. And I'm telling you right now telling you just by taking that inventory, those eight essentials. 0 (1h 25m 52s): Now, your you're tapping into a, a framework that the greats are using the dispensers us, you know, the heal documentary, like all of those practitioners, and there are talking about those, right? They are Healing. Have people healing cancer, which have been told it's this crazy thing. There's people reversing these auto-immune you did it like there's that right? There is a big time stuff. Big, very potent, very, very powerful. So when we go in there and we started to do the work than the only other factor, that's a kind of a, a difficult one and frustrating. And even for me, and I know for you, it's time, we don't like that can take time. 0 (1h 26m 38s): And so one of the things that is to be fair with yourself, because I got to do it with me minimum, like one to three months, give yourself the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it's taken 30 years, 12 years a year. Do you know about what a mother gives birth? Or, you know, and it's like, why is my body image or whatever that is not back. It took nine months for you to create a house to nourish and grow. And you want it back in. That is so unfair for the system. They'll think about it. Somebody comes in, they have been, you know, they have been led astray or they've had some things go on for 30 years and we're talking one to three months. I still think that's pretty good. 0 (1h 27m 19s): But what if it took three years to heal your on this continuum? So who cares? Just start. It's never done. And I'm telling you right now, when you look at that age, what that does is that empowers you because you literally have those. Nobody controls those eight it's you that's it. Now you're the main player. And that's the key you understanding that I am the one responsible, I am the one accountable. And we kinda went for a circle for where we started with this conversation. And then you give yourself enough time and you will see some major radical shifts. And what happens is it's like fireworks. Somebody asked me the other day, they go, why a thousand reps? 0 (1h 27m 60s): I'm like, I know. Why did I choose that that day? It was, the sun was shining. I was like, I wonder if I could, I wonder what it's going to feel like. It was like my firewall. Do you know what I mean? Like I have this cold walk out in front of me. No part of me wanted to do it. Just like I walked 29 miles last Saturday. Wow. I wanted to walk up the coast and explore California. And I wanted to get to that point. We can fight on foot. I'm like, I can't do this. You know what I mean? But I'm going to, Because I'm going to say I can do this. So I just set up these little challenges that are these little fireworks so that my body knows the capacity to what it has to offer. 0 (1h 28m 40s): And every time we achieve one of those little things and it's to somebody, a 29 mile walk or a thousand reps, honestly, it could be just sending the alarm 10 minutes earlier and actually getting out of bed, not setting it and being like, no, but taking the activation energy to set both of your feet down, be grateful. You have two feet and it may work and get it out of bed. That right there, you just said, you just stimulate it to a level greater than you did the day before now, your, your baseline is so much higher that all of those little mini stressers, the threshold's been raised, or you don't even interpret that you're not even aware. And now we keep doing that to you and me and everybody else will keep doing that. 0 (1h 29m 20s): Keep doing to keep to now the shit that you used to like break our whole thing and spill us over. We're like, all right, what else have you got for me life? Like, I can do this. We got this. Oh, I might need a little help. I'm going to get some guidance, but it's on me. And now you start to see wow. Age really doesn't mean shit, genetic, whatever doesn't mean shit. You know, your circumstances don't mean anything. It, you can shift it at any point in time and we all have this power in this capacity. 1 (1h 29m 50s): Yeah. I think that's a great place to end. Thank you so much for coming on. And do you want to tell the listeners where they can follow you any upcoming projects and how they can support you? 0 (1h 29m 60s): Yes, absolutely. So we just, we just launched this last Saturday. This is our baby. If anybody follows Alex, Zach, Allie, Zach, Dr. Joey, or myself, we just started a nonprofit it's called health freedom for humanity. Go to that website, health freedom for humanity.org, health freedom for humanity.org. We just got started. I mean, we were like infants crawling, but we're like rapidly turning into marathon, Olympic sprinters, excuse me. And so what we're trying to fight for is the right to our bodily sovereignty and to be able to choose what we put into our bodies, who we involve in our health journey. 0 (1h 30m 43s): And there's, we're going to have major educational outlets because we need people to get one, get information because accessing information is harder. And to what the action steps you can put in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Spain, it doesn't matter where you are. We've got this community building and there's 20 of us that started this we're so, so, so excited about it. That's the, non-profit it on Instagram? Follow it. The, all the little followers are on their Twitter or Facebook, everything. My doctor, Tommy, John dot com is my website. You can find on all my, all my, my social media stuff there. I'm real, real big. The Instagram and telegram are my two. 0 (1h 31m 25s): And again, if anybody has any questions DM me, I will get back to you. People are always like astounded. They were like, Oh my God, I didn't think you'd get back. Let alone a voice note. And I'm like, you're talking to a human and it's okay. This is what we can use social media for in a positive way of connecting with people around the globe in a split second, that is freaky. What's possible. So don't hesitate to reach out, but I will not solve problems for you. I will give you access to the information that you can to take your life back because it's yours. You, you earned it. You've won the lottery ticket of all lottery tickets. 0 (1h 32m 5s): You were born 1 (1h 32m 6s): Powerful stuff again. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 0 (1h 32m 10s): Appreciate it. Two. Thank you so much. 1 (1h 32m 15s): That's it for this week's episode. If you enjoyed the podcast, please rate and review, and don't forget to hit that subscribe button. You can also share this podcast with a friend and it helps my podcast grow. And I really appreciate it. I hope to see you next week. 0 (1h 32m 33s): Okay.