Teledipity founder Andrew Gabelic is back on the podcast! On this episode, I ask him about what 2022’s going to look like and if it’s going to be any better than the year that we’ve had. We talk about his forecast for the upcoming new year and we go deeper into life, enlightenment, and how we deal with positivity, trauma, and time and space through intuition and Numerology.
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0 (0s): There's a lot of people who follow these tenants that make it such a, like a, like a forced thing. Like you be positive, be positive, be positive. I don't think that's the way. And like, I feel like, like the positive mind is like the lofty goal that takes so much time that you should never assume that you arrived, but should always be striving to move closer to 1 (32s): Hello everybody. You're listening to Chatting with Candice, I'm your host, Candice Horbacz this week we have at a return guest, one of my favorites, we have Andrew goblets joining the podcast. He was one of the very first episodes that we did. He was the founder of Teledipity dot com. It's a numerology website, and I couldn't recommend them enough if you're not familiar with numerology, it's kind of like astrology, but a lot more intricate and difficult, I guess, but the same kind of concept where you kind of enter a bunch of information and you get what he calls forecasts. So we get into a really cool conversation about like spirituality, numerology, all things esoteric and some cool philosophical questions that neither of us knew we were going to get into. 1 (1m 19s): So please help me welcome Andrew, Andrew. Welcome back. I'm really excited to have you here. You are one of my first guests when I first launched this thing over a year ago. So I'm thrilled to see you again. 0 (1m 32s): It's great to be back. I was thinking about that first or second podcast. I think it was like a month after COVID started. Wasn't it? It was like right in the beginning of the fandom. 1 (1m 45s): No idea what was happening. So whatever, just like head in the clouds. This will be here. We are. 0 (1m 55s): And like, I mean, pandemic aside, like it's for everybody, it unleashed all this other stuff. That's not virus related. Like family dynamic changes, friend dynamic changes, career changes. So like, it feels like everybody's getting out of a hurricane right now and everybody changed so much. It's just amazing. I think, I think there's so many positives. Cause like, I feel like everybody I've I knew before the pandemic has like changed for the better, like they're making different decisions. They're like just changing their hair or whatever. Like it's like everybody wants to like, like once a new beginning. And I love that. 1 (2m 32s): No, I couldn't agree more. And I think it's like any situation you can try to find all of the ways that everything went wrong or what crazy, or you can try to find the silver lining in it. And I would agree with that. I've seen so many people just have a fire lit under them and they started their own business and they reconnected with their family. And they're like, I didn't even know yellow is your favorite color. And I've been living with you for 10 years. Like that kind of a thing. And I think you see this conversation where they're talking like a mass Exodus of jobs, like people aren't going back to work and how it's supposed to be like this horrible thing. And what they're not talking about is that there's this huge spike in the entrepreneurial sector section. So yeah, they're not going back to their bosses and to the corporate world, but they're actually starting their own thing, which is so cool. 1 (3m 16s): Right? It's so empowering and so free to not have like this really rigid schedule that makes you choose between fi like time with your family and loved ones and then earning an income 0 (3m 28s): A hundred percent. And I think, well, there was, so before the pandemic 2017, I did this YouTube video that I have on unlisted right now, but I am not deleting because that publication data is important. I talked about how the world was entering a new nine-year cycle and that, that new nine-year cycle was going to be chaotic because when you look at other nine-year cycles with that vibration, they're usually not like, so I won't give too many examples, but 1935 to 1942 was one of them. So, and we're not like, we're not saying that there's gonna be another world war that like, there's gonna be other characters, like the characters that were present at that point. 0 (4m 15s): But it was the world, the entire planet restructuring itself, like the industries, like, like geopolitics technology medicine. It was the end of one century in the beginning of another. So if you think about centuries, like how we measure them 1900 to 2000 numerology wise, it's not that clean. And the 20 20th century began around those dates and it ended in 2017. And what we're doing now is starting the 21st century and everything that's happening is about that. 0 (4m 56s): Eventually we'll have positive outcomes right now. Maybe that's not so visible, but one of the things that was always fascinating to me back then, and I didn't know what was going to happen was that the, the vibrations of the 21st century are about harmony and cooperation rather than competing. There was a lot about competing and controlling and dominating in the 20th century. And that there's more siloed like under the, under the 20 vibration, which is the 20 to the 21st century. There's a lot of like it's instead of big groups, small groups. And I was doing that vibrational reading at the same time, I was reading this amazing book that's called thank you for being late by Thomas Friedman. 0 (5m 42s): And when he explains is that in the 21st century, because of technology and all the things that are changing, most people will be solopreneurs and stuff, help jobs. And that matched perfectly with, with what numerology says, and now we're seeing it. And I think that being a solopreneur is human beings like natural state. When you think about what, what things were before the industrial revolution, like whether people were carpenters, people were farmers, people like you, didn't, nobody hired you, you learned the craft and you sold it and that's how you made a living. And there was no bosses. 0 (6m 23s): There was no like big, like, you know, and there's a, there's a shift back to that. And there's a reason why everybody has that as their dream, because it is, it is our natural state, I think. So 1 (6m 39s): That's so interesting. So when you talk about kind of breaking down from this one larger chunk, which would, you could say is like a corporate, the corporate model, right. And the industrial model, and then breaking it down into little pods, that's kind of what you start, what you're seeing with what they're seeing, or Dow's like those decentralized automated operating systems. So you're seeing stuff like, I don't know if you're familiar with mines, it's kind of like a decentralized Twitter. And then we're talking about decentralized internet, which is gonna be based off of Ethereum. And then you have the metaverse and you have all of these things, even with just cryptocurrency, right? Like you're you want to decentralize the banking system. 1 (7m 21s): And there's so many benefits that we're seeing, especially right now, when everything is so uncertain and you're like, okay, well maybe let's take some power away from people that come in can manipulate them and then go back to having our own autonomy. And that's what I kind of see with Bitcoin. And then that's what I also see with this entrepreneurial entrepreneur movement. Sorry. I'm like, oh, I'm getting over a cold and I have a cough drop. So I'm like trucking through this. 0 (7m 43s): Yeah, no, I think those are super exciting and I'm investigating them a lot because I mean, it's really spoil anything, but there's something about Teledipity that I want to do related to that. And I think so the concept of a decentralized organization, if people listening don't know is that there is no like in like internal structure, it's not just user owned, but user managed. So users make decisions together. And like some, like people who work are like paid automatically by the algorithm, people who contribute, like people who use pay into it automatically by the algorithm and profits are distributed, but to the owners. 0 (8m 30s): So instead of like a management team, there's an algorithm. And that's, if you, like, if you just know how technology evolves, you can tell that that's where things are going and that's going to be really exciting. But I think because it's the like early days right now, the bless, like bless the pioneers. They're building that, but there's going to be a lot of like mistakes and like hacks and like stuff like, maybe we'll like will not make that space look so exciting in the beginning. Cause that's how all technology start. But I think down the line, when you combine, what, what a company owned by its users looks like in terms of the, the technology that's enabled by blockchains and like what a normal company with governance and a board and like some sort of structure, not, not how we have it now, but let's just a little bit and you combine those two together. 0 (9m 25s): Those are going to be the companies of the future. And I like, I can just see it and I wanna like, I want to be a part of that somehow. Cause I think it's super exciting, you know? 1 (9m 37s): Thank you what your model is kind of built for it. It's like, I don't want to, like, I don't want to pry yet. Cause you're, you know what I mean? You still have it. You're working in and out. I can see that, but like I see something again, like minds are what Tom Billy's doing. And I think when it comes to anything, they'll get the NFT space or the blockchain space. It's about community first. Right? So people that have that solid community that, that has that loyalty, right. And you've been steering them in the right direction for so long. That's going to be your success stories. And it's really unfortunate. Like you said, there are going to be some people that are, you know, scamming people. There was the more recent one, which was the squid games token, which sucks because those people just took people out for a ride and they made a lot of money off of it. 1 (10m 22s): But it's just like doing your homework and really trusting like the founders and what their principles are. One of the exciting ones that my husband and I are in right now is Loki. And I've been doing a lot of their live chats and the thing that I like about them, it goes back to community. So the founders will talk about how they're trying to like start schools and in like poor communities to give everyone like equal opportunities and like proper education and giving back to the communities and not toward your money. And like, those are the people that you want to follow. Right. And same with Tom bill you. So if you have a founder's key for him, like he's giving you something for it. It's not just like this quick gross money grab and obviously your mission. Right. It's Teledipity it just seems to try to be making people's lives the best that they can be. 1 (11m 6s): So I really hope that you figure something cool out. Cause I could totally see it working for you. 0 (11m 11s): I, yeah. I like, I have kind of like a blueprint in my head. I just want me to ask a lawyer if it's okay. So like I'm going to be doing that for the first half of 2022. And if, if there's a green light, I might have something to talk about publicly or even announced maybe like in the second point after June 1 (11m 33s): Super exciting. Yeah. So have you seen like a huge increase in your community since the pandemic? Cause I would assume we always search for certainty and like the rats of uncertainty. And I feel like that's something that you can kind of provide is like shedding this light for people. And I know the last time we spoke, you still had an outrageous number of subscribers. So how's your business going? 0 (11m 54s): It's going really good. The, the pandemic evolution with horoscopes, it was very, very interesting because when the pandemic began, that was like March, April, may people stopped reading them. And I noticed just in my sight and I was like, what am I doing wrong? Like, do I need to like, like, cause maybe like when I talk in my forecast about like, like, oh, it's a very social month for you and people in their houses, like reading that and they just shut it off. So I was like, I was really like dumbfounded and later, cause like you can't see this in real time, but months later I did research, Google trends and other sites that measure other websites, the entire industry have that, well like 25% cutoff of like active users during those ones because maybe people didn't want it. 0 (12m 46s): Like there was too much anxiety or like people didn't feel like that content or not everybody, but a good chunk of people didn't feel like. And then it started coming back to normal and then it started growing. So it was like a little whoops. And then, and then just, I think the perfect conditions came together for a website. And you know, I S I say horoscopes, but if anybody's a Teledipity user already, they know that that's not exactly what I do. It's just that there's not a another word that everybody will recognize that kind of relates to what I do, but it's not really, like, I'm not really an astrologer or anything like that. But anyway, like a platform that gives you content about where your life is headed and what decisions you can make to make it the best of it. 0 (13m 34s): And how, like what, what topics you should reflect on, on like this cycle of your life or this year of your life, this month of your life is perfect for times like this because everybody's reinventing themselves. So I think we, we have seen a lot of growth. I crossed the 200,000 user mark about two months ago. And, and now getting ready finally to translate into Spanish and Portuguese because I've been playing that for a long time, but I never had the funds for it. And now it's coming together and that's the other big step that I'm working on right now. 1 (14m 6s): Oh, that's, that's really great. Congratulations. That's serious growth since we've talked. Yeah. Awesome stuff. So we were talking, well, you mentioned how you don't call it. It's not really astrology. I like that you call them forecasts. I feel like it just feels right. Like, what is the weather? Do I need my umbrella? What do I need to prepare for? I think that's so great when we were talking, I was thinking it would be so cool to do like, kind of like a, I don't know if he would say like a global read or an annual read. So, you know, with the Eastern astrology, like they have the year and they pick the animals and whatever. And I'm like, you know, the year of the tiger is coming up, which I heard is like the lowest birth in China because they're supposed to be the most difficult children to raise. 1 (14m 56s): And I just find that so funny because it's just, I love how different parts of the world are like really into like the mysticism and the esoteric. I just, I, I just love eating all that up. And then when you come into the Western stuff, we don't really typically do that. Cause we break it down by month. So there's not like an overarching, like this is the year for everybody. So it was curious with numerology, you were talking about going through global cycles. Can you give us a little insight into 2022 and what that's going to look like? Is it going to be a little bit better than the last year? Can you give us something to look forward to? I don't know. When does the cycle wrap up? 0 (15m 35s): So I can't, unfortunately I can't say one of the, the whole coach at ends, it feels like it's ending. And I actually have a lot of hope for that because people are scared about the new variant or whatever, but like, I don't think that, that I think we're overreacting. And I think that maybe it'll go away soon. I might eat my words. I really hope not, but I'm confident that we can start building normal lives in 2,222, but that's just my intuition. That's not based on the wrong in terms of numerology. It's a six year for the planet and six years are hard to read because they they'll reflect, they can six vibration connect in different ways, depending on like the other numbers that are on top of it, whether it's in a person's chart from the planet's chart, this is a six year and a nine cycle for the planet for reference to everybody. 0 (16m 33s): The last six year we had was 2013. And when I try to figure out what the next year is going to be for the planet cause planning, and we're always a little different from individual numerology. I try to just look back at other years with that vibration. And when you said we were going to be talking about this today, I looked at 2013 a lot. What I see in 2013 as a lot of seats, it wasn't a difficult year for the planet. There wasn't a lot of like conflict or, or, or big global events. I mean, those happen all the time, but like, it didn't feel like a chaotic year. And what you do see is like a lot of the storylines that later became really big for the planet. 0 (17m 18s): You can see the seeds in 2013, you can see how they began, how like, just stuff starts aligning in that direction. If you want to look at politics, you'll see events in 2013, that will, we'll give you like a preview of coming attractions. If you're talking about technology, you see events in 2013, they'll talk about a previous company, trash cans, you know, 2013 was a big bull run for Bitcoin. Like really the second one and the one that like first got people's attention. So an example of a preview of coming attractions. Yeah. If you look at just pop culture and like, like if you follow a celebrity that is really big right now, look at what was going on to the 13. 0 (18m 5s): You'll see a seat. So I think like, without going into like too many examples, that's kind of like the theme. So I think that there is like, whether it's in technology or in the arts, or really also maybe politics and deal politics, you'll see stuff that hasn't been happening or like has no connection to last year or the year before. That's a surprise, but maybe it doesn't like look chaotic or feel chaotic is just like, oh, this is a new character. Let's see like what, what happens with this? Or like, oh, like, this is a new, like a new shift for a company like Mehta for Facebook or like, or like the, the, the Twitter CEO stepping down. 0 (18m 47s): Like, there's just like, so like unexpected developments in whatever field that are bigger than they seem, because right now they might seem too early, but are going to be very big over the second half of the cycle, seven year, eight year, nine year, and are going to play a big role in wherever we end as a planet at the end of this nine year cycle, which is 2023. So like, I think that's interesting in terms of like what the six vibration means. Literally the six vibration is the balance between helping yourself and helping others and doing both correctly, Mo people, people who are unbalanced in the six vibration either are always putting other people's needs before their own. 0 (19m 38s): And like giving, giving, giving, and never take care of their shelves or are on the selfish side of the spectrum where like, it's all about me, me, me and not others. When either of those people enter six vibration, the universe will help them come back to the middle, through obstacles and events. So if we're talking about all of humanity and wherever we stand, or where you, or where any specific country stands, whatever events you see will relate to that theme of like, okay, there's there, something's happening. And like other people need our help. Are we going to do it? Are we going to think about us first? And you know, like when we talk about wisdom, everybody says like, oh look, you gotta be selfless and everything. 0 (20m 18s): But like, there is the other side of it, like there's individualism versus community and both are important. You can't, you can't really just focus on one for the other. And that's, that's the whole point of the six progression. It's like, where's the middle ground where you're taking care of folks like of a country taking care of itself and helping a citizen care of itself and helping a company taking care of itself and helping individuals taking care of themselves and helping. So whatever events take place. And it's really hard for me to tell because in a nine global cycle, like all bets are off really. It's not like that's one thing that's going to be different from 2013. I don't think that we'll see the, the, the fear of the last two years, even if there are surprises. 0 (21m 6s): Does that make sense? 1 (21m 7s): No, that does. And that's, I'm sure that's a relief to a lot of people because that's one of, I've been, if you believe in vibrations and all of that, here is one of the lowest ones, right? It's bad for your immune system. It's bad for your health. It really is one of those things that in like short, sporadic doses, it can provide insight and help, right? Like it can get you out of a dangerous situation or prevent those things. But if you live there for too long, it's going to be nothing but a disaster for you. So it's like, how do you pull yourself out of that? And I think it goes back into the community too, which is like not focusing so much on everything to where you're blind, like your peripheral vision is gone, and then you can do that by helping other people, right? 1 (21m 49s): So not focusing so much on you and how everything's going wrong for you, but maybe helping someone else. But I think that's important too. Like that balance, I think with a lot of like the sages on the stages, as they say, or like the modern day gurus. And they're like, you have to be like this completely altruistic person and completely selfless. That's not really the full story because it's that age old saying, which is to fill your own cup first. And if your cup is empty, you can't provide anything for anyone else. Yeah. I think a lot of parents would know that, right? It's like, you're the best parent when you do get breaks and you do get to recharge and reconnect with your spouse and, and those kinds of things, if you're constantly burnt out and that's the version you're giving your child and that's not, that's no good. 1 (22m 31s): So you can just scope that out and do that for your family, your friends, your coworkers, whatever. Right. So fill your cup, but also help other people 0 (22m 39s): 100%, 100%. And I mean, yeah, I think, I don't know, like, it's probably more complicated than this, but there's a, like, there is a, there is an avenue to being, to like giving and being generous that goes through, like, I don't want to say put your needs first because he can't do that all the time. But like, through like making your own happiness a priority, and sometimes your, your happiness involves, like, I like, it makes me happy to be there for another person. 0 (23m 28s): And you hope that everybody has that in them where like some of what your dreams are, are about impacting other people's lives, not just like your house or like your, like, whatever, like whatever you want for your own personal abundance. But I think that like, they, like, even though they feel like two separate ends of the spectrum, you can put them in the same line where one becomes before the other. And they're not really separate. You can accomplish both through the same kind of mindset. 1 (23m 56s): Yeah. They're not necessarily in conflict with one another. And I think we just, haven't been taught that we've, we, we are taught to have a scarcity mindset, which is that if I'm giving something to you, that I'm taking something away from me, and if I'm giving something to me, then I'm taking something from you. Instead of looking at it from like an infinite game space, which is, there's always more pies to be made, right. We're not, we don't have to fight over the crumbs anymore. We can just make a new pie. And I think that's what you see with like, you know, exponential technology and Peter Diamandis is in this space a lot, which he talks about and he kind of ties it in to capitalism a little bit. So he's like, you know, there's all of these models and everyone has their theories. 1 (24m 37s): And obviously we want to be giving back to people that need it, but like we're, we're coming at it from the wrong angle. Cause we're just all like scrounging for the same resources instead of creating new resource resources. And it just having that theme throughout your life, right. Do you have an abundant mindset or do you have a scarcity set mindset and you get to, you get to decide that right. And then you'll see those things start to align as you start living that. And like, we're like walking that walk, you know what I mean? So you were mentioning obstacles and that was actually on my journaling today before our, our chat, I wanted to ask. So, because we got into this in the, in the other episode a little bit, because there's that weird dynamic between freewill and fate. 1 (25m 22s): Right. So it's hard to definitively definitively say anything, but do you feel like obstacles or what seems to be a mishap? Like, are there mistakes, like, does the universe make mistakes? Can, or God or whatever you want to call it source per the programmer in sky. Are there mistakes or is there usually a purpose or for these things? 0 (25m 48s): I think the way I see it and it's half neurology, half intuition. So I was really deep into these questions years ago until I kind of figured out what I believed. And then I think when we think about fate, we usually think about it when we make a decision that we weren't sure about. We took a risk or like we didn't even, or like maybe we made a decision out of fear and we should've done. Like, we feel like we should have done the other one, but on the path that we ended up, you see these insane serendipities where like things fall into place so perfectly. 0 (26m 32s): And then you're like, well, if I had done that, like, I wouldn't have found this or this or this. Like, so like, it's almost like this was meant to be the choice that I made. And you think about it, you're thinking about fake question from your perspectives. Like I made this choice and I found these really beautiful things. So like, how can I, like, how, how can a dimension exists where I didn't make these choices? But what I think is really happening is that a human being has free will, but the universe is always organizing around you. So if you go here, like the universe will organize here. And if you go here, you're the universe we're organized here. So it's like, no matter what you do, the order will be there because there is like, this feedback is like, okay, you decided to come here based on these things that you knew. 0 (27m 19s): I want you to understand this instead. Why? Like, why not? Like, I think you need this experience based on that choice you made in order to like, come to where I want you to come. So like, when you measure in terms of neurology, like instead of being like specific events that are, that are predestined, like, oh, like you're supposed to get divorced this year, or you're supposed to like, like make a career change this year. It's like, here's the theme of the years. Like, think about your life in this way. And you make this choice and the universe will organize around the choices you make, but still giving that theme back to you. 0 (27m 59s): So if the theme is selfish versus others and you make X, Y choice, you're gonna get those lessons regardless of what choice you make. You can go over here, you can go over here. But like the order is still present because you can't escape that little bubble of like perfection where like you're going to be given what you need to evolve, regardless of what choice. 1 (28m 22s): No. Yeah, no, it doesn't make sense. So this is going to be like a silly example, but it's just like one of those, when we were talking about serendipity, I was decided Jamie Wheal event earlier this spring. And he was saying that he thinks it's kind of like the black cat and the matrix. Like that's what, like his analogy for serendipity. So it's kind of like a hint of sorts, I guess I'm like pay attention to this. So I had just put my toddler down for nap and I was exhausted. Cause I'm again, like getting over this cold. So I finally laid down. I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep. And I never nap. So it's like a big win for me. If I feel like I'm going to be able to sleep during the day. And then I have this older dog and she starts barking down the stairs. 1 (29m 4s): I was like, you got to be kidding me. And I can't like, ignore her. Cause she'll pee in the house. Cause she's 12. So I was like, okay, I have to go down two flights of stairs. It's freezing outside. And there goes my nap. Cause the cold air is going to just wake me back up. So it was really disgruntled and I'm like stomping down the stairs and I'm like, let's go lady. And we go out and there's this lady parked right in my driveway. And I was like, well, this is weird. So I thought we, it was like a whole foods delivery or something. So I went to scoot around her and she was like, I hate to trouble you, but I'm a real litter. And I wanted to know if, you know, if anyone's selling in this. So we have this, we live in a townhouse, like a small townhouse community. And people been trying to poach these for, since they were Billy. 1 (29m 44s): Did you just know when selling them, everyone wants them. They can't get them. So she's like, do you know if anyone's selling? And I was like, we're actually planning on listing in February. And she's like, oh my gosh, I have multiple buyers. They really need to get in. Like how soon can you be out? I was like, well, we're in a rental right now. I don't even know like, do you have a card? She gives me her card and she already has multiple buyers. I was like, we didn't even have to list when we just sold the house. Cause my old dog had to go out and I was super stressed because we just got this Renno we've never rented before. And because labor is so high, the expected price was doubled. So I was stressing out about selling this place and getting into that place. 1 (30m 25s): And what if we can't find a buyer and all of these worries that you just self-generate and then here is this woman in my driveway. And I was like, how, like you can't play in that. And I dunno, and again, silly example, but one of those things where you, it just makes you scratch your head a little bit. And you're like, if I didn't do that one thing, 0 (30m 43s): I mean, I think that event would not take place if your worry about selling. It was actually that deep. It might've been like worried at like a brain level. Like, oh, what am I going to do? But like you, those events happen when people are at peace. And like, they understand that like that's not a big deal because when you make it a big deal with your mind, you're creating like the problem or like the universe is trying to teach you like, like full it's. Okay. And the closer you are to that, the easier events like that might happen. So I just like, I bet that even if you say you were worried that you like you and Eric weren't like that concerned, otherwise a manifestation like that wouldn't tell you, 1 (31m 31s): Well, Eric is never concerned. He's the most optimistic guy I've ever met in my life. Like if he, if he wanted to be an astronaut tomorrow, he would somehow figure it out. Like that's just the type of person he is. Meanwhile, I'm like, that is so unrealistic. I'm this whole I'm out of shape at one point, you know what I mean? I'd would come up with all of these reasons why I couldn't be an astronaut and he's like, I'll do it next year. I'll be up there in, in the moon or on the moon. So yeah. We're very different personalities in that regard. Maybe he bounds, maybe the lady in the driveway was him. Maybe that was like just his, his energy from, from Vegas right now. 0 (32m 8s): Yeah. But I still think that you are in a happy place, so yeah. I don't think, yeah, I think you could have blocked it if it was otherwise. 1 (32m 18s): Oh yeah, totally. And I, and I, again, I think it's so important for everyone to understand, like you are in 100% control of that, right? Like your inner state is up to you and it's not easy. Right. It is one of the most challenging things to really, to be accountable for. But we were talking earlier before we started recording and I was saying how I, some time off the podcast, because I just felt like it was forcing me to hyper-focus on things that weren't giving me peace. So it's, it's being able to recognize those things without judgment or blame and then just kind of navigate around that to get to the state that you want to be in. 0 (32m 56s): Yeah. Yeah. And I think also like when you say like that state of inner peace is the goal, it's also okay. If something like slips you out of that. Right. And like, you're not there for a little bit. I, to like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people who follow these tenants that make it such a, like a, like a forced thing. Like you be positive, be positive, be positive. I don't think that's the way. And like, I feel like, like the positive mind is like the lofty goal that takes so much time that you should never assume that you arrived, but should always be striving to move closer to every year of your life. 0 (33m 44s): So like, if I was trying to be like the greatest concert pianist in the world, I wouldn't assume that like, even if I'm really great at the piano, I wouldn't assume that like I can get there in a month. Like it's like, it's like years of like practice and like, and like polishing how you do that. I see the positive mind is the same thing. Like you can, like there w there will be people who, and everybody follows somebody, but like the people I follow, like, I, I believe that they're speaking from truth and like, it's so easy for them that they speak it to other people in a way that sounds really easy without explaining like, well, I'm a, I'm a concert pianist, and you're just starting to play the piano. 0 (34m 27s): So like, maybe you can just like, like move into where I am, like super quickly. But that doesn't mean that you can't. So like, it's okay. Like to, to know that you, you still struggle with it a little bit, or there are situations that can knock you off balance or like, there are like, or there, like, for example, like, I don't think somebody can like be in the positive, peaceful mind if they have like trauma in their past that they have to feel first. Even if they're like, yeah, I'm going to be positive. Like, it's more than that. Like, and it's okay. Like to take time to sort this before, you're like, okay, I'm going to like, you know, even though it's like, even though you can always be positive, like don't ignore your emotions because like the way you clean up your emotions is by feeling them not saying like, Nope, happy, happy, happy, happy, 1 (35m 20s): 100%. Yeah. It's like, it's respecting the emotion. And again, not like not, not judging in the way that like anger is bad or sadness is bad, right? Like these things are just part of the human experience. So allowing that, feeling it and then releasing it. And it's so interesting. There's so many books on this where you have this emotion and we are taught that these emotions are bad from the youngest age. Right? Like it is, you can't be angry. You can't have a temper tantrum. Like these are emotions that you are not allowed to have. So as an adult, you subconsciously start to store them and you start getting sick or you start like being depressed or being anxious. And all of these things start showing that, that you don't want. And simply from what people are calling trauma, which is just unreleased energy, right. 1 (36m 4s): From right. And it's like, how do you, I don't know. How do you rewrite that, that script? Because there is a lot of shame that when it comes to those feelings, right? Like a lot of people don't want to talk to other people or admit, and especially when it comes, what I guess you would say like self righteous, anger is self-righteous depression, right? Like it's, if you're focused, outward, instead of internally, like those locus of control, I think it's so much, it's so empowering. And it's not to take away from whatever's happened to anyone. I think that's what people think. And that they get very defensive about it. And that's not what it is. Right. And saying, no, they empowerment comes from knowing that you are in the driver's seat. And you know, this awful thing happened to you, no matter what it is, but you have the, you have the power and the capability to feel it and let it go, and then have the life that you actually want instead of holding onto this thing, that's not serving you anymore. 1 (36m 58s): And I was listening. I was listening to this podcast. And so I sometimes end up in those feeds the spiritual feeds on Tik, TOK and Instagram where, cause it's all the algorithms. So if you watch too many, it's all you see. And you'll see these people that are talking about trauma and trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, and I'm like, everything is a trauma now. And you're like, if everything's a trauma, then nothing's in a trauma. And we have so many people that just aren't, I don't know, like not capable of dealing with the normal aspects of being human. Like you're going to have a heartbreak. You're going to have to deal with someone's death in your life. And those things fricking suck, but they're not traumas. 1 (37m 40s): I think to label that, that way I would always irk me. But then I was listening to This podcast and they were like, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. So whether it's someone dinged up your car or whether it's that you're, you know, a loved one died, it doesn't matter because that's the worst. Right? Right. So that's the worst thing that's happened to you. So it's all a matter of perspective. And I was like, well, I guess that, that makes sense then. And then I caught myself being a little bit judgy. 0 (38m 13s): Yeah. I think maybe the word you use to label something that's deeper is not as important. But I think that, so what humans do when there's a lot of pain is they find a way to cope with it. And it's easy in, we're looking at, wrote this as easy as possible. And most of the time when, when it's traumatic and you don't have to say like, which kind of event when it's dramatic, what, what most people do is disassociate in some way, shape or form. So like could be numbing, could be like, whatever. 0 (38m 53s): Like, I don't even want to like list them all. But like, what happens when you do that is that you don't process the emotion and it gets stuck. And in front of like, if an emotion is stuck, but you're disassociated with it, you're not going to know. Right. You're going to think that nothing's wrong. Like, oh, I'm happy. Like, oh, I had a happy childhood. Or like, yeah. Like I haven't like, but like, it's not true. And you'll see, like with like people that have like been through really hard stuff, like not remembering it or understanding it, or even including it in as part of their life story, because, and it's not a conscious level. 0 (39m 37s): It's so conscious because it's too difficult. And if you're doing that, then that positive, peaceful mind objective is almost unattainable until you go back and do it. So that's what I think trauma is. And I do think everybody has, like, if you stop thinking about it in terms of like, oh, I was like, or like some of the worst things that can happen to you as a child. And you just think about it in terms of like pain that you didn't process, that's still there and you are convinced it's not, that's what trauma is to me. And I like just my pandemic experience was about that and not understand it's so much better than I would have when we last spoke. 0 (40m 17s): Like, you can think everything's fine and it's not. And I will never like it. It's almost like, I'm not, like I decided, like, I'm like, I feel like I'm pretty good place right now, but like, I'm never gonna allow myself to think that I'm done healing or changing or learning because that's the most dangerous place to be where you're like, Nope, I'm done. Like I'm healed now. I'm going to teach others. Now. I'm like, like I, I resolved my life. Like not like I figured life out. I don't think you do if you're still human and there's always something you might not be paying attention to. 0 (40m 57s): And you don't have to figure it out today, but like, just be open to that, you know? 1 (41m 0s): No, totally. I think that's one of the main purposes of podcast, right. Is just to remain curious and ask questions and have all sorts of different people on because you get to learn from their expertise. Right. Cause there's only so much you can do in one lifetime. But if you have all of these conversations and you're kind of getting to like piggyback off of that, I totally agree. I think the most dangerous spot to be in is like, I've got it all figured out and I have nothing to learn from anyone or anything. And like, this is the way that it is. Cause I feel like you're you just stop you just stop. You're stunted there. And then it's like, you're missing out on this on so many opportunities. That way. I had a question when it came to enlightenment. 1 (41m 40s): So for me, I, when I was at this Jamie wheel event, if anyone doesn't know who he is, he wrote like w catching, fire, catching fire. I have it on my shelf. My brain's not working again. I'm not going to be the sharpest this episode, but he's like a multi best-selling author and kind of philosopher thought leader kind of guy. So he would kind of give you these questions at dinner, time to talk amongst your tables. And they are usually pretty deep. Some of them a little bit dark and one of our group conversations got on to enlightenment. And like, do you think a, do you think that that's possible to achieve in the sense that we kind of understand it to be, which is you're done? 1 (42m 22s): Like you have figured out the universe and you are not going to be reincarnated or whatever. Like this is like your last go and you're in a return to God. And if you are, do you say, are you aware of it? I guess is the question. So in Zen, Buddhism, they say, have you cleaned your dishes or have you cleaned your clear cleared your plates is kind of the, the thing that the older monks will say to the younger ones, as they're asking about, have you achieved this? And the idea is to, to leave no trace. So if you do all the dishes, like as the sink dries, the soap brung out, is there any trace that you were there or a turtle that's kind of walking on the beach and like clearing out its path with its tail. 1 (43m 6s): So you there's no longer footprints, but no matter what, there's going to be a tail print and with the dishes, no matter what, there's going to be some residual moisture, like it's impossible to show that to not show that you were there. So to me, the way that I interpret that is that you're never really there. And that's kind of what the monks are telling the younger monks, but you have a lot of people nowadays that for one reason or another are going around and saying that they're a Sage or that they've reached this, this peak. And to me, I think that's so against the point, what's your opinion. 0 (43m 45s): A couple I'll start with the last thing you said, like people saying that they're sages or more evolved. I'm not going to say they're not because I don't know. And I will never say state something like confidently. If I have no idea, there's no way for me to know. What I do know is that the ego is very, very sneaky and we've all experienced this, you evolve in some way, you figure out something that you didn't understand before you, it changes you for the better. 0 (44m 24s): And like you experienced this moment of like being separate from your ego, even if, even just for a minute. And then you start hearing the other voice, like, oh, maybe I'm the first one to figure this out. Maybe I am supposed to teach it to others. Maybe like, maybe like, maybe I am more involved. Maybe I like, and like, even if you're dealing with, with wisdom or like a higher truth, your human brain can still hijack that and turn it into something it's not. And, or return you to the, I don't know if on evolved is the right word, but like to the ego place that you walked out from, even if you're now dealing with this new knowledge that you get. 0 (45m 15s): So like somebody says, I'm more evolved that that's a red flag for me. And maybe they are, I have no way of knowing, but like, I dunno. I just, I feel like, I feel like if you were, if you understand more things than me and that's like, of course the case for millions of people living in debt, they definitely understand more things than me. But if you understand more things in me and in the literal sense that you are quote, unquote more evolved, I would expect you to say like, but I'm still not perfect. 0 (45m 57s): And there's still things I need to work on. That's what I would want. Exactly. That's what I would want to hear for me to trust that there is like that there is some truth to that. If you are not saying that, if you truly believed you're more involved, I'm going to think that there's an ego part of that, but I could be wrong. 1 (46m 16s): Yeah. I would say the same thing because so personally, like I love David Hawkins and his books and I I'm going to probably get the number wrong, but he, he does a lot about like energy and vibrations and kind of like breaking that down until into numbers, which I'm sure you probably deg, but his, it in one of his books he was explaining and his theory is that there's about five stages total at any given time across the globe. And that those five, because they're so pure and they're so light and they're of the highest vibration that they kind of are keeping civilization alive. 1 (46m 57s): As we know it, like they're keeping the peace for everybody else because like that good is so much stronger than all of like the heaviness on the other side. So when I, like, I believe that I believe there's probably only a handful of people that are at that level. Right. Just like they walk into a room and you're like, whoa, this is something different that I haven't experienced before. I don't think they go around saying like, I would say probably, you know, the Dalai Lama is up there. I don't know that he goes around saying that he's enlightened necessarily. He just, he just is right. He just exists. And he just talks and he is just himself and that, and that's that. So when I meet someone and we're in San Diego and he's saying that he's a Sage, I'm like, I don't know if this is the same thing we're talking about. 1 (47m 44s): Okay. I think those things are. 0 (47m 45s): Yeah. And yeah, it's like, and I don't know. You never know, but like when you're talking about like the, this staircase case of evolution, I don't think that, so like, remember when we were talking about in our last podcast, like, I will be curious about some of these topics, but I won't want to like figure out what the truth is because I don't think I'm capable of that. So like, I don't want to like end up in a place where I know for a fact like, this is what it is, but my inkling tells me that like, especially from the numerology perspective, it's obvious that there is some sort of staircase that every soul is in. 0 (48m 27s): And you, you focus on this part of evolution, you focus on this part of evolution, like, and you see that same third case in your lifetime with your neurology cycles and your nine year cycles, like, like every achievement and lesson and progress is built on the last. So on a soul level, in multiple lifetimes, it has to be exactly the same. That's just a logical to me. I think that maybe it's harder to see for a human being than we realize. So for example, if there are more evolved souls than others on the earth today, is it going to be as obvious as like, oh, this warrant also is like a Sage and like teaching, or might you find that person, like in a village in Africa that you don't even know about, or like in a slum, in some big city. 0 (49m 20s): And like, they came to that place where their work or impact is never going to be public is never going to be celebrity status. Like we, in the 20th, 21st century, you understand like the height of achievement is like, if everybody knows what you do, but like, are, is it gonna be somebody with like some sort of disability or some sort of like, where you feel like where you see that person? And you're like, oh, like, like they have a harder life where I like, I'm so sorry that they're dealing with this, but maybe there's just a reason for it. 0 (50m 1s): And they are light years ahead of you. And you'll never know. And maybe the person you hate who seems horrible, like maybe it's not that they're more evolved, but like, how can you really understand what more evolved means and how that reflects on this dimension? Because I think it's more than like, oh, this person is like a guru, you know? Like, I'm sure there's some growth or some monks or some people like to go on there like that. But I think that maybe that's not the whole story and the whole, it comes down to, you cannot know if you're ahead of other people, B if you're behind other people, see if you're even playing the same video game, like we're all on earth. 0 (50m 60s): But like, what if like dimensions are not like, oh, numb on this planet or a numb that I'm real, like, all these different dimensions are here on earth. And like the, the structure that you're working with in your life is completely different from the structure I'm working with in ways that I can not even understand, but like, it's not even that like something that can be compared where you stand and where I stand and what we're supposed to do. So like, if that's like, if, if it's, if it's not easy for a human to understand, like, this is the staircase that the people that are here and the people that are middle here and the people that are behind in here, because we measure everything in terms of like, like economic class and like professional success. 0 (51m 42s): And like, whatever else we use as humans to measure like achievement in life is definitely not what's being measured on spiritual plan. Right. So I don't think it's, I just don't think we can know more than like, there's probably a staircase and especially we can not know like where we stand in relation to others, you know? 1 (52m 6s): No, the perspective thing is interesting because I feel, or the dimensions, I should say, we're we could possibly be operating in different dimensions, even though we're on the same plane. I mean, I think we absolutely are. And I think that comes down to what your emotional home is. Right. So I think you can look at different parts of your life and notice I've my husband and I have this conversation all the time. Like, it's almost like a gears to car. And like, you just, you tend to go back to whatever your neutral is a lot, like when you're S your subconscious living. So your day to day interactions, like not thinking, just being, and I think for some people that emotional home could be anger. 1 (52m 47s): I think for some people that could be joy, I think for some people that could be depression and so on, right. We all have these emotional neutrals that we tend to just fall back into without thinking. And it takes a lot of work to be able to like, work up that scale. Right. Like for a long time, I know my neutral was anger, for sure. Like, I didn't even try to be, I wasn't aware of it. My like, just like simple things, like getting irritated in line or getting irritated in traffic. Like that was just my place that I was right. And it takes a lot to consciously try to like shift up just a little bit. So those little things don't bother you as much. And then your new neutral can be whatever you want it to be with enough work. 1 (53m 28s): So just that alone, someone's neutral, who is in that angry, angry space. They're going to have a very different reality and experience in this life than someone who's neutral space is something a little bit more pleasant and you guys are not watching the same movie. You're not playing the same video game. Your reality is, are very different where I would say what the stage thing though. And obviously this is just theory because nobody knows, but I would imagine that if you were there, it would be someone who wasn't quick to anger. It would be someone who did have the tendency to be at peace. The majority, like that would be their neutral. And there would be some level of influence and like not necessarily fame and money and all of these things, but that they had some massive ripple effect, whether it's on their community, their country, or, you know, all of the nations combined depending. 1 (54m 22s): So I would say like those things, right. You would have to look for like, at least those common denominators. But other than that, it's going to be just throwing a dart at a dartboard. 0 (54m 33s): Like yeah. I'm, I think I would agree with that if you analyze a lifetime from beginning to end, if that if you see those ingredients. Yes. But maybe that sounds so visible for somebody in the first chapter for the life in the second or the second, even if they are quote, unquote more evolved. Cause like, I would imagine that, for example, if you, like, if you chose before you arrived that you wanted to have this sort of impact, then maybe that you have to live a specific kind of childhood and go through a specific kinds of traumas, right. 0 (55m 17s): To then understand the problem and do something about it when you were evolved. So finally comes out. And maybe because you are more involved, it comes out more easily and you don't go through like, like a long process of getting there, but you would still not see it in like a teenager or somebody in their twenties or even their thirties or forties before they get to that Zenith of their life story. Even if they are more involved. 1 (55m 50s): No, I like, so that was actually one of my journals questions too, was so it com and obviously, again, all theory, not everyone's going to believe this, but the idea, the concept of like choosing your, your parents and choosing the life experience that you're going to have, do you ha like, is it your belief? And I don't know if like, again, like what's the difference between like you and like you, because you're into numerology or where that overlap takes place, but do you think that there's kind of like residual karma like that a baby can be born with like debts to be paid, like karma to answer for, or are we kind of all born with a clean slate? 1 (56m 37s): So to give you an example, I've heard some quote, unquote, spiritual people talk about, and this is going to sound horrible. And this is kind of why I wanted to ask, just to get someone else in those spaces, opinion. Cause you'll hear well, if God exists or if everything happens for a reason, then you know, why do you get kids that have cancer? And like these awful things that happened to what you would assume is a blank slate. Like this is the purest state will ever be in. And some people will say that these awful things happen as a kind of karma, right? So past life, past life karma that you're paying for, that the parents are paying for. And like, that's why that experience exists. And I'm like, that just seems real old Testament, like real dark, real punishing. 1 (57m 21s): And I just don't believe that God is my, the way that I think about it, punishes like that. 0 (57m 28s): I don't believe that at all. Again, I have no idea I have intuitions, but I could be completely off base. I'll never know. I just think that without invalidating the pain that we go through as humans, because it's real, if you've been the victim of a crime, if you lived in a war torn city country, if you, if you have really like unimaginable things happen to you, I will not negate that pain or say it isn't real. 0 (58m 8s): Or even like, dare to say, like, there's a higher purpose, even though maybe I believe there is in more abstract terms. Like I'm not going to tell that to you. If you've been through hard times, I'm just going to be there with you and like empathize as much as I can and validate your pain. So I don't want what I'm about to say to come off that way. But maybe the pain that we go through as humans is not as it's not measured in the same ways from the spiritual perspective is not like when we baby, when our souls walk out of the human experience, you're immediately able to see it. 0 (58m 54s): Like, like the fear that you went through on a rollercoaster, like in the moment it's like intense, but then you walk out of the Royal Christian, you see it from outside. And I was like, oh, like, like that, like not, not that was cool, but like, like you're separate from it. You know? Like, it's not like, or like after a horror movie, like it's, once you're back in the spiritual plane, you it's easier to understand why those things happen in a ways that humans cannot. So like, it's not that like, like when you said like, why like, if, if the universe is a positive place, why do so many horrible things happen? 0 (59m 34s): Well, maybe like they, they're absolutely horrible for us, but maybe there's something we don't get right on the spiritual side of things that explains it in ways that like you and I are not going to be able to explain right now. So that's one and the other is like, no, I don't think that difficult experiences are earned or that's, that's the whole like punishment reward, vision of God and spirituality. Like, if I'm a good person, I get good things. If I'm a bad person, I get bad things. It doesn't work like that. Like I know beautiful people that have gone through really awful things and absolutely did not deserve them. Yeah, absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind. I just think that we're not understanding the purpose of those things from the actual perspective of the explanation. 0 (1h 0m 23s): That makes sense. I don't know what the explanation is. I know that there is one, but like, it's like from the one hand, like there's no doubt in my mind, there's a purpose to everything. From the other hand you have to, even though you believe that full heartedly, you have to edit yourself or, or, or be empathetic and understanding when you're communicating that to others. Because people that are going through hard times, don't need to hear from you like, oh, this a reason, you know, like, yeah, that'll, that'll appear when it needs to be 1 (1h 0m 57s): The worst thing to say to someone while they're in the middle of it. You're like, it just doesn't apply in this moment. You know what I mean? Like I understand, right. They're trying to console, but I'm like, it's, it's coming off real, really inappropriate right now. 0 (1h 1m 13s): Yeah. So like, even though I believe that I also know, I have no idea why or how I'll, I'm sure I'll figure that out after I die. 1 (1h 1m 25s): No, I, I totally agree when I hear that. I'm like, that just doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And again, it just seems real old Testament to me. And that's not the way that I view God. It's not the way that I view why we're here in this human experience. I think even like the concept of sending to me, it's a little bit dated, like I think they're some of the foundations of it was right to like have a civil society and have people that are murdering and all of that great stuff that we, we don't want. But I think we kind of like went a little bit too far with it. I just don't think that it works in absolutes like that. I think hopefully you're always evolving and changing and growing. 1 (1h 2m 7s): And like part of that is going to have like these missteps, right. Or like to be making these, these sins. But I think in like the great picture of it, like we're all human and we're all going to go back to the same place. Like there's no punishment at the end of it. At least that's not what I believe. 0 (1h 2m 26s): Yeah. Yeah. And if it's, if you think of it from the roller coaster or horror movie perspective, like you can also imagine that like always it, same way you choose the movie that you're going to watch or is there like a theme park ride that you're going to ride before you return it? Even if parts of it are not going to be pleasant, you probably chose this life for a reason. I do think, cause you were asking about that. I do think that we, that there's some sort of choosing involved, not sure if it's conscious or unconscious noxious, like we're sitting in a computer before we're born and like, I want this, I want this, I want this. But like probably in the same way that we attract experiences in our human bodies because of our interstate, you attract like experiences based on where your soul is before it is born. 0 (1h 3m 19s): And like, it is, it is reflective of a choice, but maybe not the kind of choice we make consciously with human brains. But I do think there is a choice involved that makes sense to me. But 1 (1h 3m 36s): So do you think that whatever we are or were before being human before, like coming into this experience, do you think everything on that side gets to have a human experience? Or do you think it's a select few? Like, is it this special thing or is it like every, it's hard to explain because you were talking about so many abstract things, but let's say, let's say that like for just visualization purposes that you're like this shadowy figure on the other side, right? Like you're just kind of ambiguous that all of these shadowy figures get to come in and be a human, like have, you know, learn whatever it is that they're supposed to learn and take away from this experience and go back. 1 (1h 4m 22s): Or do you think it's like a select few in like, you're very like kind of like seen as lucky to be able to come in. 0 (1h 4m 31s): It feels like it's one of those things where things operate very differently in the human dimension that they do over there to a point where it's not like in your, like, curiosity about it, you're applying like human rules to something that won't have human rules. For example, like we think like in terms of like, in terms of like the concept of reincarnation, like, oh, I was in the 18 hundreds and then I was in the twenties and then I was in the fifties. But like, that's like a huge, like time in the human dimension where like, I think it's all happening all the time. So like maybe your next life isn't the 20th. I don't know. Like, like it could happen like that. 0 (1h 5m 11s): Like it's not like linear time, probably also not linear space where like I'm here and you're there and I have to move over there in order to be there. And you have to have over here. Like it's probably something along the lines of everybody's everywhere, all the time kind of thing. So like, it's not, there's no division, like, like there's a part of me somewhere else right now. There's part of me here. And for those other people you're talking about like, there's a part of them there right now, but there's another part of them here and there and all the other places that exist. So that's like, it feels like time and space don't exist. Wherever that is is what I'm trying to say. 1 (1h 5m 51s): Oh man, it'd be so cool to have you on with like a physicist of some sorts. And then, 0 (1h 6m 1s): Because I don't, yeah. I don't speak from science. I just like it. What makes sense to me? I'll like, I'll say it, but I don't like I have no evidence. I don't like, 1 (1h 6m 9s): That's what it would, it kind of all is though. Right. Is just a bunch of theory. And then, then just kind of exercising through these things because we obviously know consciousness exists. Like it's very apparent that it exists. What that means. We don't know. We still can't measure it, but like Bruce finding out plants have it. Right. So science is one of those things that's like so far behind what is right now. And then it'll be so cool when you see that intersection happened. Because, and like, how is that going to change everything? Like when you can actually measure what is a soul, what is consciousness, if we're ever able to figure out what happens after we die would be, I mean, how, you know, life is really different. 0 (1h 6m 48s): Yeah. If there's one thing I'm like of all the things I just said, the one I'm the most confident in like 99.9, 9, 9, 9, 9% confidence is that humans cannot understand those things. Like you're a physicist or you're whatever. Like you can have really accurate intuitions that are like very close to the truth, but will you ever know if it's the truth or not as a human? No. And will you ever like, is there a way we can investigate all these things and understand them on earth? Mine tuition says that's not possible. My intuition says we are here as humans to not understand those things and live life here for whatever purpose without it. 0 (1h 7m 32s): And then when we advanced to wherever else will, will regain that understanding that we lost when we came here. That is the one thing that I'm like almost positive about, 1 (1h 7m 46s): Man. I think, I mean, I, I feel like you are probably right. Although I do hope with some of the stuff it's like, we, I feel like some people need irrefutable evidence to believe things, right? Like, 0 (1h 8m 3s): I 1 (1h 8m 3s): Think it's sad because you're ignoring your intuition, your knowing, like your internal knowing that's there by design. Like you're completely ignoring that. So one of them, 0 (1h 8m 12s): There's nothing like freedom to meet for me. Freedom as a soul is being comfortable with ambiguity. If you can stand on the acuity, that's like, that's just a whole bag of problems. There's things that are ambiguous and you just have to be cool, you know? 1 (1h 8m 29s): Yeah. It's so like, for example, and this is like, it's not like totally off topic, we're going to go into consciousness. And I think if for some people we were able to prove that sir, that like consciousness existed and was measurable. Like you can talk about animals. For example, like I have this theory and my husband always laughs at me, but I think that like orchestras and like whales in general in dolphins, like, I feel like there is like, they're highly intelligent obviously, but almost to the point where I feel like they're ahead of us in some ways like spiritually speaking or like on like that consciousness level, just like the way that they interact and how they have that oneness. 1 (1h 9m 19s): Right? Like they do what's best for each other. That's why you see pods kind of all, all shore together. Like they all get stuck on beaches together because they get so in sync with each other, that there is no longer the self, like they're transcending the self, but there is that relationship. Like you hear these crazy stories about dolphins saving, you know, people from shipwrecks. And like, there is that relationship that is there that they know is there, but you have people that are like, well, it's just an animal. So they don't have like, they're just basically, non-existent like, they don't have a soul, they don't have feelings. They don't have these things. And I'm like, but that's so not true. Right? We were, we're discovering that they even have dialects. Like they have different languages. If you scoop up a whale from Russia, it's going to speak a different language than a rail, a whale from Portland. 0 (1h 10m 4s): And I guarantee you, nobody who has a pet believes that humans have no feelings, like not a single person who has a pet believes that if somebody says that, I guarantee you, they don't have a bed. 1 (1h 10m 18s): I know people in pets that say that, 0 (1h 10m 20s): That makes no sense. Like, like, like I just hear you talk. I'm like, ah, damn, like I'm not being a good dad to my dog. I've been screwing up. Cause like he is more involved than me. Like, 1 (1h 10m 32s): Well, my dogs are not, I maybe I got, I got it. Low-hanging fruit, but I can confidently say that both of my dogs, But yeah. It's like, how, how much would we change? Right. Like we would, we would be so much kinder to our environment and to everything else. And we would understand the earth and a more holistic approach and kind of go, not like back to like the old hunter gatherer days. Cause I don't think that that's possible or even really, I don't think that's really what's best for us, but to kind of remember the things that we used to know, right? Like there's people that talk about this kind of amnesia that we're all going through and you talked about it a little bit to the extent of rediscovering things like farming and welding and, and so on. 1 (1h 11m 17s): And it's like the hundreds of years ago people understood the importance of being connected to nature and each other and how there's we can't co-exist without having cause and effects just by, by being right. So it's like if we had some way to have scientific data, to prove to some people that I feel like we would move along a lot further because it was just some people you can't convince, like for some reason the story is like, I'm better than everything else on this planet because I'm a human and I don't believe that to be true. I think we're very, we're probably very unique, but I think that we all coexist and that there is some kind of symbiosis between us and the earth and everything else cohabitating it. 0 (1h 11m 58s): Yeah. And I think, I mean, not to get political, but like how can you see what's going on? And not at least come to the conclusion that like we are being terrible parents to this earth. If we were parents, like we're not treating it correctly at all. Like who can say that we're like in tune with the department, but on the other end, like I just, I feel like I have control over where I'm headed. I don't have control over where humanity is headed. 0 (1h 12m 41s): And if it goes somewhere different from like where I want to go or where like I think we shall go and maybe I'm wrong then like I can't stop it. And when I feel it about like, when I think about where the century's headed, I hope we like I'm a lover of technology. I adore it. I've always been fascinated by, I'm always in the know about what's coming and I do not hate technology, but I hope that where we're headed is a place where we start not get rid of it, but we start minimizing its influence in certain areas of our lives, where we've already inserted it and it doesn't belong. 0 (1h 13m 30s): And like, we can just put it in a place where we get more of the good from it and minimize the bad from it. And hopefully we have the wherewithal and the, the, the community, like buy-in to walk that path instead of a different path. But if, if what's in the cards is a different path, then I'm not like, what, like what am I going to do about it? You know? Like I, can't not like I could see things going where I don't want them to go. And like, I hope that I hope that I can like have some sort of like influence and like make it happen. 0 (1h 14m 10s): But like sometimes, you know, with these life stories, some like it's more common that old people feel like the world just changed beyond recognition. And maybe that's where we're going to be eight years from now. When I hear about the matters, it scares me a little bit, like does excite me to the court. The members is a little scary to me just because like when it's, when it becomes as real as real life, that's scary, you know? 1 (1h 14m 42s): No, totally. I wanted to ask your opinion actually on the metaverse because I have a similar opinion. Like I get so excited about anything being decentralized, because I think what's best for everyone is to not have like, you know, these one group of people that have been there for hundreds of years telling you what you can and can't do. I just don't think that allows people to, to live in the most freeway. Right. I think that's why I love like the community being part owners of everything and you having a vote and where the system goes. Cause that's where it should have been a long time ago. 1 (1h 15m 22s): But when it comes to the metaverse, especially because Facebook seems to be on the front of it. What makes me nervous is you already have a company that has been shown to kind of use your data in nefarious ways. Not really care about the user. Like they treat the user as if like, like you are the product, right. It's not, yeah. It's not for your benefit. And then they already have you in this place where you, you start to believe things that aren't real. Like they take something down like 2 billion bot accounts, a quarter that they take down on Facebook. So you already have all of this misinformation, that's there. 1 (1h 16m 2s): And like it's warping your reality and it's just on a screen. So what happens when you plug in and you can't tell the difference and I'm like, I just see that being so dangerous. And you see the effects of social media on young people and the increase in suicides and depression and self image, all of 0 (1h 16m 22s): The social media and geopolitics, right? 1 (1h 16m 25s): We've never been more divided 0 (1h 16m 27s): Like, like how is that going to make things any better? Like, but you know, like, and I'm scared I have the exact same fears and I'm terrified of the metamours I'm not so terrified of mark Zuckerberg and Facebook, the company, because my intuition tells me, and again, that could be wrong. My intuition tells me that their time is up and they think that they're going to be in the lead in the next wave of technology innovation. But that's just their, their dumb thinking because there's nobody in the planet that trust that guy or that company anymore. 0 (1h 17m 8s): They don't like they can change their logo. All they want, who trust them, nobody, nobody. And like, I like, they are past their prime. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong. But they like their lofty goals. They're not going to be the ones that build the scary of, I think it's somebody else. And it's still scary. I'm just not scared of him. I'm scared of the concept. He's like, he's whatever. And he's not like there's nothing he can do to stop his own, to stop his money and power from like slipping through his hands, like sand, like it's going to happen regardless of what he decides. 0 (1h 17m 57s): It's just in the cards. And I just know it from gut. 1 (1h 18m 1s): That's pretty cool. I feel like this is going to a couple of places. If I was you and I had all this knowledge, I feel like I'd be constantly doing people's numbers to try to like, see what, like, like in very influential people, right. To see like where we're going. You don't have to tell me if you do that or not. I would be doing that for sure. Well, this has been amazing. We got into a lot of, a lot of really fun topics. Do you, what, before we head out, do you want to tell the listeners where they can find you follow you and how they can support you? 0 (1h 18m 33s): Yeah. So my website is Teledipity Teledipity dot com. 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And I couldn't recommend you guys enough, so go download it. It's a great time, Andrew. Thank you again. 0 (1h 19m 47s): My pleasure. 1 (1h 19m 49s): That's it for this week's episode, but before you close out this window, a couple of things I'm going to ask from my listeners. If it's been a while and you haven't left a five star review, please do that in the apple podcasts or wherever you're listening to this. It's super, super helpful for the algorithms and helping me show up in the charts. So take one minute. If you have the time and leave that review, you can also share it with a couple of friends. If you enjoyed this conversation or any of the other conversations that I have posted. And I did want to do a couple of quick shout outs. So I wanted to say thank you so much to Robbie on my local's page. 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