# 87 Ben Azadi - Biological Optimization, How to Burn Fat, Why Breast is Best

0 (0s): It's one of the reasons why our ancestors survived is because of the ability to Burn body Fat and have that liver produce ketones so they could stay focused and alert to hunt and kill. If it wasn't for that, we probably wouldn't exist. So when I hear people say Keto stupid, that's like saying, you know, a metabolic process is stupid and it it, it's not. 2 (21s): Hello everybody you are listening to or watching Chatting with Candace, I'm your host Candice Horbacz. Before we get started, we're gonna start off how we usually do. I'm gonna remind you to hit like and subscribe. So if you haven't done that, make sure that you click those buttons so you don't miss a single episode and you get notified anytime we have some new content. We are gonna do some coffee shout outs. So for everyone that bought some cups of coffee since I recorded last, I wanna say thank you so much to Keith and to Roger two times. Thank you so much for those cups of coffee. 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Save 20 bucks, buy a bundle and we will stay youthful for as long as we possibly can. 2 (1m 47s): This week we have the incredible Ben Azadi. Joining the PodcastBen is the host of the Keto Kamp podcast. He's also the founder of Keto Kamp. He is the best selling author of four books and he is one of today's leading educators on ketosis, intermittent fasting, and ancient healing modalities. Please help me welcome the incredible Ben Azadi. Ben, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. It has been a minute since I was on yours. It's really good to see you. 0 (2m 17s): Good to see you again. I love your podcast, love what you're doing. It's an honor to be here on your show today. 2 (2m 21s): Yeah, you as well I, I've been watching a lot of interviews where you were the guest cuz I always find it, it's kind of tricky to get a host on as a guest. I don't know if you have a similar like, kind of like awkward dance that you have to do as well when it comes to them because they talk to so many experts and you talk to so many experts so you're this vessel of so much knowledge. It's like where do you even start because you, you just are hopefully retaining a ton of information and constantly learning, you know, every single day. So it's like, well how, how do you start that spigot? 0 (2m 53s): Yeah, it's so true. Yeah, that's one of the benefits of being a podcast host as you know, you get all these amazing guests and there's different topics and a lot of it could be contradicting, right? So it's like this smart person said this is the way to do it, this person said it's the other way. So it's like our job to kinda like synthesize that and see what actually we think is best and there's always common themes as well. So yeah, and I love being a guest as well, so it's, it's a combination of doing both. So I'm glad to be a guest today. Now you're the host today. 2 (3m 20s): I know pressure's on me today. You get to relax. 0 (3m 24s): Yes. 2 (3m 25s): Yeah, it's interesting when you talk about you can have professionals on that have a lot of education and information and totally different opinions on the subject matter in different angles. And then you also have to take into account how different each of our bodies are, especially when we're talking about health, diet, nutrition, really anything. But just specifically to start off in the nutrition and diet and wellness space, how different we all are. So when you see blanket statements like, like gluten is bad for everyone, well you're like, well maybe not everybody or maybe not all types of gluten in like every type of grain. I guess where I wanted to start with was one in, let's start with Inflammation cause that's top of my mind right now. So I've been back and forth dealing with some thyroid issues and I'm actually in a really great place right now. 2 (4m 10s): But during that journey over the last two months or so I did, do you know the Eliza blood test? Are you familiar with that? Yeah, the 0 (4m 18s): Food allergy test? 2 (4m 19s): Yeah, it, it does. Yes it does food but it also does like gasoline was on there and patrol like different kinds of dyes, like it tests all sorts of stuff like 0 (4m 29s): Heavy metals and toxins and yeah 2 (4m 30s): And then it's like a top-down approach as to like where Inflammation is coming in your body. So I did that and I got the results back and I was shocked and I was shocked in a way that probably a lot of people are not going to be expecting. So gluten was not causing Inflammation according to this test. Seed oils were not causing Inflammation according to this test. Wow. I know I, again stunned gasoline came up so I was like, okay, maybe I'll just have my husband go take the car to fill up and I'll just like avoid that green dye, yellow dye, egg yolks, carrots. And I think that was it. So like super random, I never would've guessed like I couldn't have carrots and I put IE eggs every single day. 2 (5m 15s): So that was devastating to me because I actually, I am cutting out the things that it's telling me to cut out for like six months and then retest. But when I saw that seed oils weren't having an inflammatory response, it's like I wonder what the Carnivore community and like that part of the internet would say right now because that's one of the talking points is seed oils are killing us. 0 (5m 34s): Yeah, it is actually. So I would be curious with the test that you did Elias, you said, 2 (5m 40s): What was that? 0 (5m 41s): What was it called? Elias test? It's, 2 (5m 43s): Yeah, I think it's ELISA, I'll link it below for everyone that's listening, it's super expensive If it doesn't go through insurance, I think I paid like $1,700 for it. Oh 0 (5m 52s): Wow. Was it a blood test? 2 (5m 53s): Fingerprint? Yeah, blood test. Okay. Tons of tons of vials. It was huge. Got 0 (5m 57s): It. So it was looking at like different antibodies and comparing it to different foods and then seeing if you have a response to it. Yeah, that is interesting. I, I mean there are other tests that you could add to that. Not to like you already spent so much money on that test, but there is one test when it comes to Inflammation. This test is 50 times more accurate than any blood test specifically at the cell membrane Inflammation. So I'm just gonna explain the different types of Inflammation. Yeah. And then I'll explain the test and how it compares to your test. So there's two types in general Inflammation out there. So there's acute Inflammation. So for example, if I play basketball, which I play all the time and maybe I sprained my ankle, my ankle would swell up my, my innate intelligence is sending Inflammation to that area to heal it. 0 (6m 40s): So that's short term and that's not a bad thing's actually a good thing. So I let my body do its thing. So that's acute Inflammation, that's not necessarily the bad thing. Then there's chronic low-grade Inflammation which is leading to all of these diseases and symptoms out there. And that's when our cell membrane is actually inflamed. So that's cell membrane Inflammation, there's about 70 trillion cells inside of the body and the intelligence isn't that cell membrane. So it's a, this lipid fatty layer that protects your dna, protects your cells. And when that's inflamed then those receptor sites that are integrated into those cells don't hear the message, right? So your hormones can't get in as efficiently, nutrients, minerals, et cetera. 0 (7m 22s): And then you have all these good things kind of pulling outside of the cell, they're not able to get in and then you have all these toxins being built up that's not able to get, get, get out of the cell. So good things can't get in, bad things can't get out. Now the only way, the most accurate way to test for the membrane Inflammation is actually a urine test. It's called a meta oxy test. And it's 50 times more accurate than any, any blood test including the one you did. I'm not saying the one you did is not a good test, I'm just saying when we're looking specifically at membrane Inflammation, we see that being 50 times more accurate and that's where you could correlate the seed oils. Hmm. Cause to your point, there's even a lot of studies looking at blood inflammatory markers with people taking seed oils and there's not really a change and that's how a lot of people kind of argue the seed oil case. 0 (8m 9s): But seed oils, it's the long term effect of seed oils. But with this meta oxy test, you can see if that membrane's inflamed because that's where seed oils go and get gunked up there. So I would add that test into the mix and it's affordable. It's less than a hundred bucks for that test as well. 2 (8m 24s): So does it say what's causing the Inflammation or it's just your general state of Inflammation? Yeah, 0 (8m 29s): Unfortunately it doesn't show you what's causing it. Right? So you would have to kind of do an assessment and then maybe do a retest every 60 days. So when you, the test you do at home, it's very easy to do. You, you urinate in a little vial and then that vial turns a certain color darker the shade you compare it to like the chart, the more cell Inflammation you have. So it gives you an idea of how much Inflammation you have, but it doesn't give you the cause. So that's where it's different from the test that you talk that you did. Oh, so 2 (8m 55s): You get the results right there though. 0 (8m 57s): Yeah, you get her less than two minutes. 2 (8m 59s): Oh that's awesome. Yeah, I, that's the worst part is the waiting, the Eliza test took like three weeks, three or four weeks to get back and I was like, come on. Yeah, 0 (9m 8s): Yeah. In the meantime you were having your eggs, you were still putting gasoline in your car. Yeah, I 2 (9m 11s): Was doing all these things that my body was like, please stop. I'm hoping that the eggs come back and like I, and I can have those again because that is just, it's a massive food to cut out. 0 (9m 22s): Oh yeah, you, you would be, it'll change in the future like you know, the Gut Microbiome changes so much. So I would be curious to hear like when you retest our eggs safe now for you. So different things will change over time for sure. 2 (9m 32s): The Gut Microbiome stuff is really fascinating and I love that that's getting a lot of attention right now. I've seen it on some really big podcasts and it seems to get be getting a lot more mainstream because there's this very Lazy way to argue when it comes to Weight Loss which is just like calories and calories out and that's it and there's nothing else that matters and you're like, this is bogus. Like there's so many other things and I'm not sure if you're familiar with the study, but they took obese mice and they did a fecal transplant from the obese mice to these lean mice and these lean mice didn't change anything. They were still eating the healthy foods. They were still at like, you know, had the access to activities but because their Microbiome shifted so drastically they couldn't, they couldn't shed the weight, they just were packing on Fat. 2 (10m 16s): So it's, yeah, that's rats, you know what I mean? And there's gonna be a little bit of variation when it comes to people, but it does say that the Microbiome does have a major role when it comes to Weight Loss. So I love that more people are approaching with the topic of Weight Loss with a little bit more nuance and not this like just stop putting food in your mouth. 0 (10m 32s): Oh yeah, right on Candace like a hundred percent agree with you. I'm so sick and tired of the calories in versus calories out people out there. I mean I used to be one of them for so many years and I realized I was doing my audience, my community a big disservice. It's interesting, nobody goes from teaching people to count galleries to seeing the truth and then going to more of a hormone approach or a Gut Microbiome approach and then going back to teaching people to cut galleries. It never happens that way. Right. So to your point, yeah that study is very interesting and there's other studies out there that show in mice two identically genetically identical mice. Meaning like if obesity was a genetic disease, a genetic problem, this would like totally destroy that myth because it is a myth. 0 (11m 14s): But two mice, same genetics, one mice was introduced to B P A, which as we know is bi B fenal aids a toxin and a lot of plastics. And the other mouse was not introduced to any toxin. So the one that was introduced to B P A became obese and had a shorter lifespan. The one that was not introduced to this toxin was skinny and lean and healthy. Wow. Same genes. But the toxin was the difference there. It's really about that environmental trigger. And the same thing goes to your point with the Gut Microbiome, it is so important because most people have leaky Gut, they have some sort of Gut dysbiosis and it take and, and leaky Gut leads to autoimmune disease. And typically autoimmune disease is not diagnosed for like 15 to 20 years if it ever is diagnosed. 0 (11m 60s): Wow. But In the meantime we have all these people who are having these digestive issues thinking that it's normal, it's not normal. It might be common but it's not normal. So having like gas and acid reflux, bloating, these are all symptoms but they're also really good things. It's your innate intelligence giving you clues that something is out of homeostasis. So the average person goes to their doctor and says, doc, I have acid reflux. I'm bloated, I feel puffy, I have all these symptoms and the doctor's listening and the doctor's like, no worries, here is a prescription for antacid anti-flag and five other medication. Meanwhile that patient for example, might have went out last night and had picked out two slices of pizza, had all this beer they totally stuffed themselves. 0 (12m 43s): So of course they have symptoms. But if that doctor would've just asked, what did you eat? Instead of writing five prescriptions, the doctor could have just been like, oh, just don't eat that Again. The body was having these symptoms as a gift for you to see your check engine light. Something was out of homeostasis. So that's the difference between, you know, somebody who's working on upstream stressors like the Gut Microbiome versus somebody who's chasing symptoms downstream. 2 (13m 8s): What's so interesting too is if you talk to an honest doctor, they'll tell you that throughout their entire medical education they had one day, like one six hour class on nutrition. So and, and they'll be astonished and think that there needs to be some kind of reform. And then you have these other doctors that just have blinders on and they think that that's sufficient. And the reason that they only did the six hours is because it's not important. Like when I was recently doing a checkup, my doctor for my thyroid, so my endocrinologist was like, well we don't really know why this, that, or the other is showing up. We don't know what causes your antibodies to flare up. But we do know that if you just cut out a lot of animal Fat and eat really lean, it should help. 2 (13m 48s): And I'm like, oh my god. I was like, even the most recent research from Harvard is saying that that's not true. Like they're saying to increase animal Fat and even suggesting full-blown Carnivore for some people if the severity of the autoimmune disorder is that to that level. So I'm like, you're not even close to up to date when it comes to nutrition. And I'm just a lay person like how do I know this? And you don't know this, this is mind boggling. 0 (14m 13s): Oh my gosh, you're so right. That is ridiculous. Carnivore is tremend to your point, it's tremendous for autoimmune conditions. I've had thousands of students come through my Keto Kamp Academy and a lot of them have autoimmune disease and that could vary from like Hashimoto's thyroiditis or arthritis or lupus or psoriasis. I mean there's a hundred plus autoimmune conditions out there and we use Carnivore or short term. I'm not a, you know, telling you you have to do Carnivore forever, but short, just like Keto short term and their conditions improve significantly because what it does for the Gut Microbiome and the fact that this doctor told you less of that when we know that's been proven to actually help specifically with autoimmune, it just baffles me too. 0 (14m 55s): We do live in a time where the average person who's listening to these podcasts and and listening to these discussions knows more about nutrition than the doctor that has been go, has gone to medical school unfortunately. 2 (15m 7s): Hey everyone, this is new. So we are taking a quick break for a couple of sponsors. How exciting is that, that we have a couple sponsors for the podcast? So this is new, please don't skip it, just listen, it's cool stuff I promise. So my first one is a small company called Ragnar's Rocks and I'll make sure I have the link below. 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So soon as I'm done Breastfeeding, I'm doing one of these and Eric's supposed to be starting anytime now, so we'll see when he decides to start. So I'll link that below. Again, if you wanna try ProLon, you can try it for 150 bucks. Use code Candace and let's return to the episode. Yeah, so I heard you on one of your podcasts, you were talking about your own autoimmune issues. Can we get into that? Like, so like, I guess what, what was your diagnosis and then what have you noticed that has been helpful for that? 0 (17m 55s): Yeah, so I have Raynaud, Raynauds is a syndrome, it's an autoimmune condition and you know, my story of course is like 24 years, first 24 years of my life eating nothing but fast food, doing drugs, playing video games. I was really unhealthy growing up and that triggered all these bad genes because genes are like light switches, right? We could turn 'em on and turn 'em off. So I triggered these bad genes from my lifestyle decision. So autoimmune was one of those genes and it was Raynaud. So for not familiar with Raynaud, your audience, it's an autoimmune condition where you don't get enough blood flow to your extremities. So you get really cold fingers and toes. For me it was more my fingers than my toes. But to the point where sometimes when you're exposed, exposed to cold temperatures, maybe I'm grabbing like a cold can of something or I do a like a ice, a polar plunge, then the blood flow starts to go away from the fingers and it turns extremely white and purple and like you're like almost like your fingers get crippled. 0 (18m 51s): It's very ugly and and it feels ugly and looks ugly effect. So combined the first 24 years of my life eating like crap and being addicted to drugs and video games with the fact that I had eight silver fillings, silver amalgam fillings in my mouth for 20 plus years and silver fillings contain each filling contains 50 to 55% mercury, which is a super toxin. And that mercury was in my tooth vaporizing going into my brain and getting locked into my hypothalamus pituitary, creating just systemic Inflammation combined that with the old house I lived in in Miami had hidden black mold. So I was getting beat up all over the place and of course I start like doing some researching and investigating like why don't I feel, well I'm doing Keto, I'm doing CrossFit, I'm doing all these things, but I still didn't feel well. 0 (19m 41s): And it turns out it was in my mouth and it was in my home. So I got my feelings safely removed from a Biological dentist here in Miami, which is very important if you have feelings, make sure you go to a Biological holistic dentist, not just a regular dentist. And then I moved outta my house because I was, I didn't want to even live there even though the house got remediated. So I had to go through a whole heavy metal detox, a whole mold protocol and that, that's what I share that because that's what really triggered that autoimmune condition. So my autoimmune condition Raynaud was really bad. I was getting flareups almost every single day. I remember I was in Washington state and I polar plunge into this snow, it's called snow Lake Mountain and I almost lost my fingers honestly. 0 (20m 22s): Everything was white all the way to like my forearm. Whoa. And bec, I didn't realize it was gonna be that severe jumping in a body of water like that, that was almost ice. I had to find hikers to let me borrow a lighter and hold underneath my hands to get the blood flow back. I really thought I was gonna lose my fingers and that that was years ago, right? So I wanted to experiment with Carnivore and I, I've heard so many anecdotal stories from my students and from the people online about what it does for autoimmune. And my autoimmune had gotten so much better since I detoxed the mercury and got out of the mold exposure. But I was still getting some flare-ups every day, every other day, especially if I was exposed to something cold, it was improving but too slow for me. So I did 40 days of Carnivore Carnivore where I did nothing but meat and I did a $3,500 lab panel where I did all my thyroid markers, inflammatory markers, et cetera. 0 (21m 12s): But also I wanted to see how I felt with my autoimmune with Carnivore. And out of those 40 days I only had two Carnivore, two autoimmune flareups, s Raynaud flareups the entire 40 days, which was like a breakthrough for me because I, I hadn't experienced that in so many years. I was getting flareups constantly. So it really like had all these light bulb moments going on for me. And now personally I revisit Carnivore three or four times a year while I'll do it for 30 days. And my Raynaud have improved tremendously. Where to this point I probably get a flare up like every three months or so, like one flare up every three months. And it's usually caused from like mental stress than anything else. So that's just a perfect example that your lifestyle could change these genes in your favor. 2 (21m 54s): That is so incredible. I feel like this conversation was meant to be because one of my friends has what you just described and no one knows what's happening to her and she's Veganism so Oh yeah, I'm sharing this episode with her immediately soon as it's done. So when it comes to Carnivore, you hear that you can get explosive diarrhea if you, if you start it the wrong way. So how do you ease into Carnivore if you're only cycling in and out of it a couple times a year? Like how do you start Carnivore with avoiding the toilet? 0 (22m 26s): Yeah, that's a good question. You're right. Like if you're not going from a Keto sort of approach to Carnivore approach, chances are you're gonna get the disaster pants as Dave Asprey calls it, you're gonna run to the bathroom. So the name of the game is the liver. The liver produces Bile. Bile is important for detoxification, but Bile also breaks down Fat. It's like a detergent for Fat. So obviously when you do carnival or even Keto, you're gonna increase your dietary Fat and protein. That liver needs to produce enough Bile to break it down. And if you've been doing a, like a high carb diet and a lower Fat diet for years that liver can't keep up. And to Candace's point, you're gonna be have, like you're gonna be running to the bathroom for days saying this is awful. So I would, I would transition slowly. 0 (23m 7s): Number one, if you're going from a high carb, low Fat to Carnivore have like a seven day transition where you're gradually getting into there and then by day seven you're full on Carnivore. But number two, I would support the liver. And you could do that by taking something that has like digestive enzymes with ox Bile in it. Bile salts are great for the liver. You could do things for the liver like coffee enemas and Castro oil packs are terrific. You just grab a Castro oil pack and you put it, you put the Castro oil in the pack, tie it around the right side of your ribcage where your liver is and go to bed with that Castro oil pack that helps support the liver. So the name of the game is the liver. And let's say you are doing all this and you're still having diarrhea seven days, 14 days in you're doing the Castro oil, you're doing the ox Bile. 0 (23m 52s): Then I would, the solution would be to have smaller meals more frequently. And this is the only time I would recommend that cause I'm not a big fan of like frequent eating, but your liver needs to have less Fat in one sitting and spread the Fat out. So if you're doing like two or three big carnival meals a day and you're still getting diarrhea, then have like five or six smaller meals until your liver adapts and it'll adapt within a matter of like less than 30 days for most people. 2 (24m 17s): That's interesting too because that was, everyone just knew you were supposed to have five small meals a day size of your fist and constantly be grazing. And looking back that doesn't make sense because we were hunting and gathering and there was no consistent food ever. So how was our body designed to constantly be eating that never made sense. And I remember when I was following that advice from some like meathead bro at the gym was the time where I was gaining weight and I'm like, I'm working out five days a week and I'm working out hard. What is happening? I'm shoving food in my mouth all of the time and I don't need to be, of course not. I'm not hungry. Why am I eating this? 0 (24m 51s): You're so right it, it's the quickest way to age yourself. Eat every two to three hours. Whoa. And it, and it's the exact opposite of what we've been taught by you know, mainstream nutrition. I always tell people that if you want to age fast than anybody you know eat every two to three hours constantly grazed because you're gonna raise glucose and insulin, you're gonna start the digestive process. And here's a crazy stat, a colleague of mine, his name is Dr. Don Clem, he's worked with like different corporations and he did a a patient population survey where you had hundreds of these patients write down and document how many times they were eating throughout the day. And our definition of eating was anytime you started that, that digestive process and raised glucose and insulin. So by this definition it could be a full meal or it could be the grazing, it could be the almonds, the kombucha, the protein shake, anything that raised glucose and insulin was categorized as a meal. 0 (25m 40s): And the average person in this study was eating 17 to 23 times per day, which is one of the quickest ways to gain weight and create insulin resistance and age yourself faster. So we're not designed for that. We're genetically hardwired for feasting and fasting, these feast famine cycles. And that's where, you know, intermittent fasting comes into play, not grazing. That's not good for you. 2 (26m 4s): I wanna get into fasting but it's funny when you were talking about the role of Bile and then being able to increase your liver health to break down the Fat, my grandma, so she's from Japan and she would always kinda like smuggle stuff over that she wasn't supposed to when she went to go visit her family. And I remember she always had this glass vial of these tiny little silver beads in them and anytime one of us was sick or vomiting or had like an upset stomach, she would try to get us to eat 'em and then my dad would throw this fit and tell her not to. And I'd eventually as an like, as I got older, I'm like, what is that stuff you would always try to give us that dad didn't want you to? And you always said was illegal but you had and it was bear Bile. So she would smuggle this stuff in from Japan cuz I guess, I don't know if it's still the case, it wasn't legal in the states allegedly and the Bile was supposed to help break down whatever was in your stomach and it was taken from a bear. 2 (26m 55s): This is all from my grandma so who knows if it's accurate or not. But that story just popped in my head and I haven't thought about that in like 20 years. So I'm like, I wonder if she's got that good Bile. So if I do Carnivore I can just have some of those bear beads and I'll be fine. 0 (27m 11s): That is so fascinating. I never heard of Bear Bile, but hey that makes total sense to me. I mean there's ox Bile which is the most popular form in supplementation, but you know, bear Bile, your grandma knew it before, we all did 2 (27m 22s): Way before ancient wisdom. She's pretty smart. 0 (27m 24s): Yeah, exactly. Ancient healing strategy right there. 2 (27m 27s): So talking about fasting, I knew this was gonna come up so I saved this, it popped up on my Twitter feed. Do you know who Carnivore Aurelia says 0 (27m 34s): Twitter? 2 (27m 35s): I do, yeah, I follow them, yeah, half the time I'm like, I don't know if this is a parody or what it is, but I just, I enjoy the content nonetheless. So an article was posted today and it says intermittent fasting, the celeb favorite diet followed by Courtney Kardashian and Mark Wahlberg may raise your risk of an early death by 30%. Studies tracked 24,000 Americans over 40 from across the US in nearly 15 over 15 years compared to three, one meal a day linked to 30% raised real risk of all cause death skipping breakfast was linked to a higher chance of dying from heart disease. 0 (28m 15s): Yeah. So we would have to dissect that, right? Yeah, because here, here's the truth. If you could put fasting into a pill, I mean they would be all over that. There would be so many studies, I'm putting that in quotation marks cuz studies could be manipulated. So with this one for example, like I would need to know, okay, what were they told what to eat during their eating window? Or they ate whatever they wanted because there was a difference between, you know, fasting and, and gorging yourself on inflammatory foods, you know, versus fasting and eating the right way. And then number two, I I would wanna know like did they account for women versus men? Cuz they should be doing it differently. So there's a lot of moving parts here. I would kind of dissect that, but I, I see this happen all the time. 0 (28m 56s): These headlines come out and I, I do think it's because you can't put it into a pill. As a matter of fact, they're gonna lose a lot of money when people start practicing fasting. And we could get into the science of it if you want. I I, I love talking about fasting, but I would need to dissect how the study was done and kind of the, the variables at play to get a good idea. 2 (29m 13s): Yeah, I'd love to be because to my, I guess what seems especially for women is that it would create a lot of stressor, like a Biological stressor. And sometimes that's great. Like when, for our skin for example, you wanna create stress and trauma and then that ma that creates more growth and that's how you regenerate collagen is by doing lasers and peels and retinol at night. So you actually are creating some kind of trauma. And so not all stress is bad. So I'm assuming that there's probably a fine line when it comes to fasting where you, if you do it properly, it's not gonna hurt your hormones, but especially as a woman, you wanna make sure that you handle it delicately. 0 (29m 52s): A hundred percent. Yeah. So here's, here's like kind of the pitfalls of fasting. It's gotten really popular the last few years and it's funny because when I started talking about intermittent fasting and learning it and teaching it and, and posting about it, like in 2015, I always get so much hate. People were telling me I was creating like eating disorders and they were telling people to starve themselves and now it's a little bit more popular so I don't get as much hate, but that there's still a little bit of of that out there. But to your point, stress, stress is only bad when your body does not adapt to it. Stress is so important and vital for health longevity when you adapt to it. So there's something called hormesis. Are you familiar with hormesis? Candace? Yeah, hormesis is a really cool process. 0 (30m 33s): Most people are not familiar with it. So essentially it means apply a stress, adapt to it, you get stronger, apply too much of a stress, and you don't adapt to it, you get weaker. So the perfect example is exercise, right? If you have not worked out in months or years, you've been a couch potato and you go and you start to work out, let's say 30 minutes, three times a week, you rest in between each session, you're going to get stronger and healthier. But if you decide to go and work out and do CrossFit after being a couch potato for years, you're probably gonna hurt yourself and get worse. So there's this hormetic ceiling, we wanna stay within that hormetic ceiling. And different people have different ceilings, right? So let's say you do do the right dose of exercise, you stay within that ceiling, you adapt and then you get stronger and that ceiling gets built up. 0 (31m 18s): But if you do too much stress, your body doesn't adapt. So fasting is the same thing. Anybody who says you should not do fasting because it's a stress to your body, that's like saying you should never exercise because it's stress to your body. They're right and the wrong at the same time. So to your point, you know, these microneedling, red light therapy, sunshine, cold plunging, these are all stressors, but if you adapt to it, you get healthier and stronger. Same thing with fasting. And when it comes to fasting, for sure, women need to do it differently than men. I have an entire chapter, my book Keto Flex chapter 12 is all about how women should do it cycling women versus postmenopausal women versus men. So I'll give you an example for the women who have a menstrual cycle, the week before their period, so about seven to 10 days preceding their their bleed, their first bleed, that's the week to not practice fasting and not do Keto. 0 (32m 8s): You wanna build the hormone progesterone. So you do that by feasting and you do it with healthy carbs and not Keto. And then once you the period starts, you actually are more inclined with your hormones to actually practice more Keto and fasting. So those are like different variations right there. So the bleed week, great for fasting and Keto the week before the period not so much. So there's always different considerations. And if you do it with your hormones instead of against it, it's so powerful. I mean it raises human growth hormone, it lowers, Inflammation, helps with thyroid health. A lot of people think you can't fast if you have a thyroid condition, that's not true. The right amount could help. So there's a lot of considerations there. 0 (32m 48s): It could be such a powerful tool. And look, our ancestors, they didn't distinguish a famine was a famine, right? So women had to go through the famine just like men. And we're genetically hardwired. Every single 2030 to 70 trillion cells in our body are genetic, genetically hardwired for these feast famine cycles. It's an amazing process. And hormones actually become more optimized when you practice fasting the right way and the right dosage. So 2 (33m 14s): When it comes to being mindful of those stressors, especially when it comes to women's hormones, and we mentioned exercise also as a stressor. Are you in favor of working out based off of where you are in your cycle as a woman? Like so different stages you would have different intensities, something might be more of a gentle recovery, like a gentle yoga Pilates and something's more heavyweights and sometimes it's more just take some time off. 0 (33m 41s): Yeah, great question. A hundred percent, right? Yeah. So days six through days 13, so I categorize that as like six days after the first bleed days, six through day 13 on average are the days where women have the highest amount of testosterone. That would be the week where you do more strength training, you're gonna have more confidence too. So you might do things where like you feel more bold, like speak on stage for you Candace could, that could be a good week for you. And then the week before the period, or the same week where you don't practice fasting and you don't do Keto is more yoga, light exercise, et cetera. More parasympathetic the week of the bleed week where you do more fasting, you could do more hit training. 0 (34m 21s): So yeah, it'll be dependent on each week. And I know the, I'm giving you general kind of flows here. Every woman might woman, woman might have a 26 day cycle, 32, I'm giving a 28 day cycle, for example. But the general rules still apply. You just have to kind of plug it into your unique situation. 2 (34m 37s): No, I love that. And I love that you are not so dogmatic with your approach with everything. Like a lot of it is the flexibility, which I think is key because I don't think that sticking to strictly Carnivore for the rest of your life unless you have to, is ideal. And I think a lot of us can get stuck. We start to identify with our diet. You see that a lot with the Veganism community. And I think that it's so interesting that you went from being Veganism to now promoting Keto because it's like you just did a complete 180 or on the other side of the spectrum. So how were you able to have that conversation with yourself to be able, or I don't know why you were Veganism, so I don't know if there was like an ethical issue, but I'm assuming there was a little bit of a role with that. 0 (35m 17s): Yeah, it was a little bit of ethical. And then I read a book called the China Study many years ago. I didn't really understand it, so it kind of duped me into doing Veganism. So I was duped. Yeah. So 2 (35m 25s): I guess how were you able to not identify as your diet? Because you see that a lot in that community to be able to say, Hey, this isn't serving my body in the best way. And to be able to adapt. Sorry if that you can hear my husband's computer's ringing right now. I forgot to, 0 (35m 39s): Oh, I, I can't hear it, but 2 (35m 40s): Oh, awesome. Good. 0 (35m 42s): It's a gr it's a good question. So in the beginning I was not able to adapt. I was very dogmatic. I was a Veganism in 2012. I was very dogmatic. I was telling all my friends they're killing the planet and killing animals. You gotta be a Veganism. And you know, the, the truth was that I didn't feel that. Well my hormones were off and I did it for 15 months straight. Even though it was very dogmatic, I knew something was off. You know, your intuition is your intuition. Like it knows more than your dogmatic approach, at least for me it was. So I did lab work and it showed that a lot of things were wonky, my testosterone was tanked and I just, everything was wonky. So at that point I wanted to figure out, all right, if the Veganism diet is not for me, what is, and I started to look at what I call ancient healing strategies. 0 (36m 24s): These, these mean, these are nutrition and dietary or lifestyle strategies that have been around to stand the test of time. And Keto is one of them. A lot of people think Keto is new. It is not new. And I don't look at Keto as a diet, I look at it as a metabolic process. And all of our ancestors did ketosis facts. They also did fasting. And when you fast, you go into ketosis. It's the only reason, not the only reason, it's one of the reasons why our ancestors survived is because of the ability to Burn body Fat and have that liver produced ketones so they could stay focused and alert to hunt and kill. If it wasn't for that, we probably wouldn't exist. So when I hear people say Keto stupid, that's like saying, you know, a metabolic process is stupid and it it, it's not. 0 (37m 4s): But even when I did Keto, I was still dogmatic. I was telling everybody they gotta do Keto, they gotta do intermittent fasting. And eventually I started to just become aware of the things I was saying for my community. And I started to realize that it's, there's no perfect diet, there's no it, it's not about the diet, it's really about metabolic flexibility. That that is more important than dogma. So when I thought about that, when it comes to Keto, I thought, okay, most people don't have metabolic flexibility, meaning they're just burning sugar, burning glucose. As a matter of fact, there was a study that came out in 2018 from the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, 10 year study, over 8,000 people. 0 (37m 46s): And their goal in the study was to determine how healthy or how unhealthy is the adult American population. So they looked at blood pressure, b m i, different metrics and their conclusion was 88% of American adults are metabolically unhealthy, metabolically inflexible. And that was before covid, you know, it got worse after. So essentially these people are in a Keto deficiency, they need to Burn Fat and then go back to sugar. So I see the opposite though, in the Keto space. And I started to recognize this that all right, people went from burning sugar to burning Fat, but now they're only burning Fat and they're like, Keto forever, Carnivore forever. I'm like, no, that doesn't make sense cuz our ancestors, yeah they all did Keto, but they also flexed out, they, when they had carbs available, they didn't say like, we don't eat that bro, we're Keto. 0 (38m 31s): No, they hate it. Right? So I started to kind of put that together and I thought, it's not about Keto long term, it's about flexing in and out. And that's where I wrote the book Keto flexing. So I'm a big fan of Keto, but not long term. I'm a big fan of Carnivore, not long term. It's all about the metabolic flexibility, not not being dogmatic. 2 (38m 50s): So how do you flex out without putting on a ton of weight? Because I see that as a common complaint with someone that has a very rigid diet. It's if they're all Keto, if they're all Carnivore, if they're all whatever it is, soon as they add something that their body's not used to, they immediately store it. 0 (39m 7s): Yeah. You know the, there's a proper way to do it, right? So in, in my book Keto Flex, I have a four pillar approach. So pillar one is called adapt cuz it's getting the person Fat adapted. Pillar two is called fast because it's, it's implementing intermittent fasting strategies. Pillar three is called phase because we're phasing out these anti-nutrients and doing Carnivore short term and then we reach the flex approach. So to your point and your question like how do you do it the right way? So there's different, I call rules in, in the book. So for example, there's a rule called the five 11 rule. And this is great for postmenopausal women and for men to practice this flexing approach. So how it works is it's a seven day protocol. The five in this five 11 rule is five days of intermittent fasting, like a 16, eight schedule and then eating Keto during your eating window. 0 (39m 54s): So you are on ketosis for five days and then you have the first one, which is a 24 hour water fast where you just go dinner, dinner, lunch to lunch, but you're doing a lot of fasting for a day and then you have a flex day, which is one day out of the week. It could be any day where you're taking your carbohydrates over at least a hundred grams to get yourself outta cosis. You're not practicing fasting, you're, you're feasting that day. And I've noticed actually the opposite of what people might think, people might think, isn't that gonna cause me to store Fat? Like am I isn't, I've done all this work to do Keto and now you're telling me to get out of it. Like isn't that gonna be a problem? But no, because it reminds the body that it's not starving. Mm. The number one priority for the innate intelligence, the human body is survival. 0 (40m 38s): The body will do everything to survive. For example, here's something interesting, Candace, the mitochondria are arguably the most important thing to consider when it comes to health. It's not only just energy factory that's mi, there's an intelligence to the mitochondria. It acts as a surveillance system to identify threats. So the mitochondria that important when it comes to survival, that the cells that are most required for survival are the cells that have the most mitochondria. For example, most cells in the body have maybe a few hundred mitochondria in a single cell. There are regions in the brain cells that have over a million mitochondria because the brain is required for survival to be alert, to be focused, to run from the predator or kill the predator. 0 (41m 23s): Then we have the eyeballs, of course that's required for survival. There's tens of thousands of mitochondria. And the ovaries have about a hundred thousand mitochondria in them because survival. So I say all this because survival is the name of the game. If you've been doing Keto for too long, you've taught your innate intelligence that you only have one source of fuel supply and that is Fat. And then it's gonna wanna slow the burning of that Fat because you only have been burning Fat. You wanna preserve that for survival. But when you have a Keto flex day, it's like you remind me that innate intelligence Burn all this sugar for a day and then you go back to Fat and it ramps things up. So it actually does the opposite when you do it the right way. And there are different rules in the book for different people. 2 (42m 4s): That's fascinating. I definitely wanna check that out before getting into mitochondria a little bit more. I heard you on a, a podcast talk about the difference between breast milk and formula. And this is gonna be triggering and I'm gonna say my opinion and I don't give a shit because I firmly believe it and I feel like all the evidence supports me. breast milk is best. I know that's so annoying, but there is nothing better than the Boob. And there is so many reasons, I guess before anyone attacks me. Literally when there's two really cool things about when a baby's Breastfeeding, one, if the mom literally just kisses the forehead be before she puts the baby on for a latch, that Microbiome that's on the skin will actually change what comes out in the milk. 2 (42m 46s): Like the nutrients of the milk will change. Also that latch, so the saliva from the baby will also change the nutrients that are getting pulled from the milk. So if the, they're low in B or whatever it is, it'll actually take more of that out of the mom. So that's not happening with formula. Every time your baby latches, it is a custom cocktail of exactly what they need in that exact moment. So you're not gonna argue with me that formula is as good as breast milk. It's just not the truth. And I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. I know there's a small percentage of women that cannot breastfeed, and this is not directed towards them, but for the moms that don't try, I get so pissed because I'm like, you're starting that relationship off with your child from a very selfish place. 2 (43m 27s): Like you're already starting off with like they're, you're breaking the bond. There's every time you're creating new neuro pathways, every time that they latch, it's, there's so much, so much information on like why developmentally and nutritionally it is so important for babies. But when I didn't know was that you were saying a baby that is breastfed is like a Fat burning machine and then a baby that does formula is a sugar burning machine. And then that was fascinating. So I was curious what triggers that different protocol within the baby's metabolism and then are there any longitudinal studies on that? 0 (44m 2s): Yeah, so you know, to your point, Breastfeeding is the optimal way to do it. And that'll trigger people because I'm a guy saying that and no matter women, right? But it is the truth and and like Kenda said, we're not talking about the women out there who cannot actually produce the breast milk. I mean we we're not talking about, you we're talking about the moms out there who are not making the effort, right? Here's the truth. When babies are born into this world and they're naturally Breast fed, they have so many benefits that you just explained and so many more that we'll never even realize. I mean the oxytocin, the serotonin, all those neurochemicals that are good for the baby and the mom also what's happening at the Microbiome level to your, to your point, but babies are actually in and outta ketosis. 0 (44m 44s): And there are three PubMed studies, and I could give 'em to you for the show notes to put in there. There are three PubMed studies that show that babies go in and outta ketosis because breast milk naturally has Fat protein, saturated Fat and Cholesterol. And then the argument is this, but Ben, there's sugar in, there's lactose and there's sugar in breast milk. And the answer is yes. And that baby is so efficient at using the sugar it it naturally goes in and ketosis. The question is why, why are babies born into ketosis? Because the brain is mostly Fat, it loves Fat, and the baby's ability to go in and outta ketosis during its infancy helps with the neurological development of that baby's brain. 0 (45m 25s): So if you take the baby off of your breast milk, if you wean it off three months in and you put 'em on a infant formula, a lot of these infant formulas have seed oils and sugar and processed junk. And you take this naturally beautiful Fat burning baby and you turn 'em into a sugar burner right off the bat and then it loses all those other amazing benefits that you just spoke about Candace. So the longer, I mean not the longer, but I know that my mom weaned me off at the two year mark and I, I think that's a good number right there. I don't know if you've seen otherwise, but two years is a good number to kind of wean them off. Did you look into that at all? What would be a good timeframe? So 2 (46m 1s): Everyone, every country has their own recommendations. Most of the world, it's two, the United States was 12 months until like this year. This year they revised it and then they switched it to two as well. Oh, interesting. And there's this really cool program, and I'm not affiliated at all or paid for this, but I do wanna put it in the, the show notes for anyone that's looking, it's called Milky and it's this company out of Austin. And what they do is, because your milk's only good in a freezer for about a year, if you do like a deep freezer, it might be able to go a little bit longer, but it's about a year that you can freeze it for. But what they do is you send in your frozen milk and they freeze dry it. So it's supposed to lock in the exact nutrients so it's shelf stable for three years. 2 (46m 43s): So if you're like, I can't, oh cool, I can't pump or I can't breastfeed for two years cause that is a massive commitment, I, I wanna do one. Well you can, you know, pump a ton right now as a reserve and then get it freeze dried and then you have all of that milk for the entire two year recommendation, which is so incredible. I'm like, I love science. When you see stuff like that, I'm like, that is so, that's so cool. Awesome. Yeah, 0 (47m 5s): Yeah, I love to hear that. I didn't know about that. Milky. 2 (47m 8s): Milky. Yeah. So for any new moms or new dads, it is an incredible resource for you. That's an alternative to formula. 0 (47m 15s): Super cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, 2 (47m 17s): So, oh, there's two places I wanted to go and I guess I'll maybe let you pick as far as your area of, of interest or whatever's gauging you. You mentioned Brain Health and how the brain is mostly Fat. So I wanted to get into this new, new concept that Alzheimer's and dementia, what is now being called Diabetes type three, which is fascinating, especially because we were so long, we were told for so long to worry about Cholesterol. And a lot of our parents that are our aging still have this dated model of low Fat, low Fat, low Fat, and I get on my mom about this all the time and I'm like, you are at the age where you need to be eating some Fat. Like put the butter in, like the grass fed butter in your food. Eat some of the Fat with the steak, get the rib eye instead of the the filet. But you know, it, it's not being heard or absorbed at all. 2 (47m 59s): So that was the one. The other one goes to kind of back to mitochondria health and epigenetics and the genes being able to turn on and off because there's this thing that's also becoming very mainstream, which is the supplementation of nmn and n a d plus as far as, I forget what they're called, but they're the markers that affect the epigenetics mirrors. What is that? 0 (48m 23s): So the yeah, those, the Telomeres, 2 (48m 27s): No, not that it starts with an s I think it's something that it, it decides whether, Hmm, 0 (48m 34s): The Sirtuins, yes. 2 (48m 35s): That, there we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew you would know. So whether or not those supplements have been tested, how do you find an authentic supplement that's not just baking powder, but those are the two places. That's my fork in the road that I don't know where I wanna go right now. 0 (48m 50s): Yeah. So let's talk about the epigenetics part and then we should have time to talk about Cholesterol too. So I, I mentioned the innate intelligence several times during this interview, and I wanna just explain kind of where that is and where I got that from. For many years, the scientists and doctors believe that the innate intelligence, meaning the intelligence, the wisdom of your body was your D n A. And it's all about the dna n a. And that premise kind of means like if you have cancer that runs in your family or Diabetes or autoimmune disease is just bad luck, right? Obesity, genetic problem. It's just bad luck. It's not your fault was the premise. And then a gentleman named Dr. Bruce Lipton came on the scene who wrote, yeah, a great book, biology of Belief. 0 (49m 31s): And I interviewed him on my, on my podcast and he was sharing this. He destroyed that premise. So what he did, what he did, he would look at cells and he would look at the DNA nucleus and look at all the other amazing things happening in that cell. And he wanted to find out where is that intelligence? Is it the dna? Are we doomed by our, our genetics, or is our DNA our destiny or is it something else? So he would remove the DNA nucleus from cells and observe what would happen next. And the cells went on to function just fine for months before I went into this apoptosis, which is program cell death. And he duplicated this over and over and over, and other scientists who challenged him duplicated and saw the same thing, which goes to show that it is not the DNA N that is running the show. 0 (50m 14s): The intelligence is not your dna N it's just a blueprint. Something needs to be, it needs to be told to turn on a gene or turn it off. So he wanted to determine, all right, if it's not the dna, where is it? And then he would look at that cell membrane, which we spoke about earlier. He would remove the membrane, instant death, remove the membrane, instant death. So it's that membrane life begins and ends in that membrane. That's what tells the DNA to turn on genes and turn off genes. So there's an environmental stimulus that tells the DNA N to perform a certain job to pro, to produce certain proteins. And then that gene becomes expressed. But it starts with the environmental stimulus. So that could mean the food you eat, the thoughts you think, the supplements you take it, it all is an environmental stimulus, the toxins around you. 0 (51m 1s): That's what's determining whether or not genes are getting turned on or turned off. So the great news is that your jeans are not your destiny. A skilled poker player might be dealt a bad deck of cards, but a skilled poker player will become victorious, don't know how to use those cards. So if you have a bad family history, that doesn't really mean much. Dr. Bruce Lipton believes that 99% of all disease is epigenetics, which literally means above the gene. It is communicating with that gene. And that's the external environment. And the most important thing here, I believe, is that Dr. Bruce Lipton has proven that your thoughts have a frequency that have the ability to penetrate your cell membrane and tell your DNA to produce certain proteins, good or bad. 0 (51m 48s): So it's a ne, if it's a negative thought, it's gonna produce inflammatory proteins. If it's a positive, loving, grateful, abundant thought, your DNA produces anti-inflammatory proteins. So if the average person has 60,000 thoughts per day, which they do, that means we have 60,000 opportunities to put the body in this anti-inflammatory healing state every single day. That is the greatest biohack that I could ever share on, on your show here. So I, in a nutshell, like we have control over those genes, it doesn't control us. 2 (52m 21s): No, that's so beautiful. And how do you, I read all of the things I, I love Bruce Lipton, I love Joe Dispenza and it's almost a curse because I know the negative implications of automatic negative thoughts and Negative Self talk and finding yourself in this rumination or a cynical perspective, what are practices that you do or that you give some of your clients when it comes to snapping out of it and being able to reframe and look at it positively. Like, we're not gonna do that today. We are gonna break this negative habit and we're gonna do something positive. 0 (52m 54s): Yeah, it's a very important question. Well, I mean, your environment determines those thoughts. Your thoughts determine your actions. Your actions determine your results. So you would have to clean up your environment for sure. But bef, let's talk about something practical. You mentioned supplements. You mentioned like N M N and different supplements out there. There is another supplement that also extends those cert two and genes like the cert one gene and it and it, and it helps protect the, the Telomeres and it as anti-aging, it's Fat burning. Speaking of Dr. Joe Dispenza, he did brain scans on individuals going through his seminars. And when they took this vitamin called vitamin G, he saw 1200 chemical reactions take place instantaneously that put their body, their brain, in this anti-inflammatory state. 0 (53m 36s): He saw dopamine, serotonin, gaba, all these amazing chemicals. So I see you writing something down, and I know a lot of people are listening. They're like, okay, where do I get vitamin G? Is it on Amazon? Is it at Whole Foods? So Vitamin G is the practice of gratitude. I call it Vitamin G because it's that powerful. And no, it's free. You don't have to go to the store to get it, but what you appreciate it appreciates. I mean, my shirt has a pill, a bottle right here. 2 (54m 1s): I love it. Is that yours? Like 0 (54m 2s): That's mine. Yeah. I'll, I'll send you one by the way. 2 (54m 5s): I would love one, please. Yeah, 0 (54m 6s): I'll, I'll send you one. So I'm a big believer in, and a lot of people hear, and I lecture on this on stage, cuz even when I go and I speak at Keto events, I talk about this because it's everything. What you appreciate appreciates, and I don't care if you think it's silly, this is a universal law. If you think gravity is not real, you know what happens if you drop a pen, even if you don't believe it, you see that it is real. Same thing with gratitude. There's a part of the brain called the reticular activating system, the size of your pinky. It's in your brainstem and it's there because it's the selective seeking mechanism. If you didn't have it, your brain would short circuit. There's millions of different stimulation. You need to filter out what's not important. It's all for the sake of survival. Going, going back to that point, so when you buy a, if Candace goes to the mall and she buys a a beautiful red dress, what, what are your, what are your favorite brands by the way? 0 (54m 54s): Let's choose one 2 (54m 56s): Favorite brands. Oh God, yeah. I don't know if I have a favorite. 0 (54m 59s): Do you have any? 2 (54m 59s): No, I don't know if I have one. I like go to like local places, so I don't know. 0 (55m 4s): Okay, so it's a A specific local shop. This 2 (55m 6s): Is from Whole Foods actually. 0 (55m 9s): I love it. So let's say you go to a local shop and it has like this custom red dress that it's like so custom, it's unique and you love it and you buy the dress and all of a sudden you start going, you wearing it and you start shopping at other places. You notice other, other women have that dress. Did they all buy it because you bought the red dressed answers? No, they were always there. But now the Rs kind of sees it. 2 (55m 28s): No, they definitely did because I'm very influential. 0 (55m 32s): Fine. It's a combination of both. So what happens is that the dresses world was there, sorry Ken, you're just now being able to see it. So with gratitude, when you focus your attention on what you're grateful for, you get more things to be grateful for. When you focus on what's bothering you and all your problems, you get more problems. And that's exactly how gratitude works. So you change your environment, you practice vitamin G, really feel that vitamin G do it every day. It's a daily practice. And all of a sudden those thoughts will shift into things. The thoughts will shift into the thoughts that will manifest the ideal life that you want to create. 2 (56m 8s): Yeah, it's kind of creating new roadways. So if you're constantly on the anger highway, that's getting deeper and deeper and deeper and easier to be there, and it's easier to get ticked off at whatever happens. But if you kind of verge off into something else, and whether that's gratitude, love, appreciation, whatever you kind of choose that to be, it's like, oh, here's an off-ramp. And every time you do that off-ramp, it gets deeper and deeper and deeper. And eventually that becomes your highway instead of just this thing that you have to constantly be conscious of. It'll just be second nature. I'm not there yet, but I do try, I do catch myself a lot. So I'm proud of those small changes of just being a 1% better, 1% better. And to speak on the Telomeres. So for people that think your thoughts don't matter, your feelings don't matter. 2 (56m 50s): None of this affects your health. There was a recent study that came out that said that boys that didn't have a dad in the home, if the dad left before the age of 12, that their Telomeres would shrink such, I think it was 12 or 13, and it was like right before puberty that their Telomeres would shrink such that their life expectancy was reduced by about 12 to 13%. So Wow. Yeah, it's heartbreaking. It's absolutely heartbreaking. So your environment absolutely has a direct implication on your health, your longevity, your health span, and probably a lot of things that we don't even know yet. 0 (57m 23s): Oh, that's interesting. I wanna see that study. And that was a great analogy about the highway. I, I totally agree. And look, I'm working on it myself. I wear my vitamin G shirt and there are times, and it happens to all of us, but the key is to be aware of it and just shorten, shorten that curve, right? Where maybe in the past or maybe a month ago you got angry about something and you stayed in that space for 30 minutes. Now it's just 10 minutes. You're in that space and you're shifting your energy, right? It's just a matter of like being aware. Neville Goddard said, we are only limited by weakness of attention and poverty of imagination. And I'd really believe that to be the case. So say it's with gratitude, you just wanna be aware. And when you find yourself in that negative space, be aware of it and then shift your energy because where you shifted energy, it will expand. 2 (58m 5s): Yeah. I I just love so much that you bring into your content like mindset and self-improvement and spirituality. Like it's not just calories and calories out. It's not just this is the diet. It's, it's so much more holistic than a lot of other approaches. And I forget who I was speaking with, but they were saying that a lot of the people that are, were on that show the biggest Loser, I think that was what it was one of, one of those shows. The biggest Loser. Yeah. Was it you? Maybe I don't forget who was telling me the story. Maybe 0 (58m 33s): I talk about it often, but maybe, I don't know. 2 (58m 35s): Yeah. It's these people that lose a massive amount of weight and then they gain it right back. And I had no idea because you never saw that. So it's like, oh, all these wo people, men and women got super healthy and fit and good for them. Even if they didn't win, they're in such a better position. It's like, no, they gained it all back. And that's because like, they obviously had the tools, they had some of the best people in the world teaching them what to do, how to do it, but their mindset wasn't caught up with everything else. And their beliefs and their self worth wasn't caught up to what, where they needed to be. So yeah, I I love that you incorporate all of that for your clients because it's, it's investing in their, their wellbeing long term. 0 (59m 12s): Thank you. I I appreciate that. And that's, that's the majority of our results. 95% will be mindset, 5% strategy. And I, I love learning about mindset more than Keto and teaching it more than Keto. And to your point with the biggest Loser that that was a big problem. They didn't change their psychology. But also perfect example that calorie counting doesn't work because they all gained the weight back. And we didn't hear about it because all of those participants had to sign different clauses that they couldn't speak about it in public. But counting calories fails 99.9% of the time long-term. The problem is that it works short-term, but it confuses people. It's, it's about hormones, not about calories. 2 (59m 51s): I know. I wanna be aware of your time. So I don't know if we can get into that, 0 (59m 55s): The Cholesterol. Yeah, I could talk like a couple minutes on it real quick. 2 (59m 58s): Okay. Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, 0 (59m 59s): Yeah. You know, Cholesterol, it's the most common question I get being in the Keto space. I was just doing a livestream a couple hours ago and it's like my doctor says my Cholesterol is high. I've been doing Keto. I, I always say congrats. It's like Cholesterol is so important. It's vital for your sex hormones, it's vital for your liver, it's vital for your health, your brain, excuse me, more people, I don't know if you knew this Candace, but this is from Harvard. I believe it was 2008. More people die from heart disease with normal to low Cholesterol than with high Cholesterol. I interviewed a world renowned researcher on nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is a very important molecule that the body produces that helps vaso dilate our blood vessels. 0 (1h 0m 40s): So it helps lower blood pressure, or I should say optimize blood pressure. It'll lower higher blood pressure, helps prevent heart disease. And he said, if you have a total Cholesterol men or women 200 or lower, you are at risk of heart disease because it blocks the binding of nitric oxide and it doesn't allow it to vasodilate. So it creates more of a rigid artery. He didn't say over, he's more concerned under, I agree. So we total Cholesterol on your lab report doesn't mean anything. It's about the hdl, the L D L, and the particles of those l d and then your triglycerides and inflammatory markers. And then you could kind of see if it's a prom or not. 0 (1h 1m 21s): And if all else fails, you could just go get a calcium score done, which is a, it's a very easy test to do and it'll tell you if you have any calcium built up in your arteries and then you could decide if there's some changes that need to be made. But it's essential. And I know your mom doesn't eat it or just kind of avoids it, but we've been brainwashed to believe that, but it's not true. 2 (1h 1m 38s): And then with the calcium buildup, is that something that you can fix with a supplement? Because I forget, was it D or K as far as the supplement that helps with the calcium actually going to your bones instead of leeching? 0 (1h 1m 50s): Yeah. D with K. Yeah, D with K. So vitamin D three with k2. Now most conventional doctors will tell you that if, let's say you have a calcium score of like 300, I mean zero is optimal, you wanna have zero. But let's say it's 300, they're gonna tell you that you can't lower that score. But I've done some experiments with my students and they have lowered it. And there's some studies that show you can lower it. It's gonna be more than just vitamin D three and k2. But that is a good idea. But it can be lowered. But I would recommend anybody listening or watching over the age of 40, maybe over the age of 35, go get a calcium score and see what your levels are at. Hopefully it's a zero. 2 (1h 2m 25s): Oh, I'm gonna write that down too. 0 (1h 2m 27s): Yeah. 2 (1h 2m 28s): Ben, this was incredible. I could keep you on for hours, but I'm not going to, I will have to invite you back. This was, you are just a wealth of knowledge. So thank you so much for sharing everything with me and the listeners. Before you take off, can you tell everyone where they can follow you, how they can support you in any projects that you're working on? 0 (1h 2m 45s): Yeah. Thank you Candace. You're a great podcast host from one to another. It's like these conversations, they, they just flow very easily cuz we're both hosts, we understand how to kind of go back and forth. So I love what you're doing. It was an honor having you on my show. I'd love to do round two on both of both podcasts. So my podcast is called Keto Kamp podcast. And to Candace's point, and hopefully I made the point today, it's not just about Keto, we talk a lot more than just Keto. But camp with the k Keto Kamp, we're watching, you can see my hat, it says camp with the K, and then my website is Ben Azadi dot com. You could find all of my social media there and my book as well. 2 (1h 3m 19s): Awesome. And I will link all of that below for everyone else. Ben. Again, thank you so much. 0 (1h 3m 24s): Thank you, Candace. Talk to you soon. 2 (1h 3m 26s): That's it for this week's episode of Chatting with Candace. Before you go, if you could leave that five star review and make sure that you hit like and subscribe. I'll see you next week. Bye everybody.