# 149 Masculinity, Media, and Mayhem: A Deep Dive into Contemporary Culture

0 (0s): And I dated a very, very wealthy girl. And I remember h how good it smelled. I remember their perfume, their cologne, their perfect clothing, their beautiful houses in the interior of their cars. You know, wealth like that is every time the left talks about violence. I'm like, I have friends. Don't wake those dogs up. They shoot so much straighter than you do. 1 (27s): At the end of the day, it comes down to one man with a gun and another man with a gun. And I'm not gonna fucking lose. 0 (32s): You hear that? Oh, oh. 2 (33s): Sound like a threat, didn't he? 0 (34s): Yeah. He'll unzip that. 3 (36s): It's the tries to kind of like take on the female characteristics to be allowed in so that the more dominant male doesn't act aggressive towards him. 0 (45s): I needed to push against something. I needed to be uncomfortable, so I went and worked out until I was gonna throw 2 (51s): Up. The movie is a lovable loser, right? Who goes on a literal journey of self-discovery, learns that hard work, fellowship partnership, you know, rises to the occasion, saves his dad's company, gets the girl. That's America, man. What's up? Welcome back folks. J Boy Gerard Michaels here with the lovely candicehorbacz. Have we, have we settled on it or what? 3 (1m 15s): No, it's not settled. Just say what, however you wanna say it. Poor badge. 0 (1m 19s): It's fine 2 (1m 20s): With the lovely Can Anthony? 1 (1m 23s): Yeah. 2 (1m 23s): How are you doing buddy? Good. 3 (1m 25s): Why is that a 1 (1m 25s): Thing? Ro? Because Ross is retarded. That's why like, I've never, I, no one's ever even said that to me before until we started this stupid shit. And then he just started calling me that one day. And you know, Anthony, you know, he's got the only child syndrome, so any positive attention just makes it way worse. Yeah. So people in the audience were like, oh, that's funny. He goes, oh, you know what? I'm gonna say it every day forever then. And that's, there's actually a fucking haircare place. It's ethnic in San Antonio called the Anthonys. 0 (1m 55s): You have an ethnic beard? 1 (1m 57s): I do. Yeah. 0 (1m 57s): You look like, you look like if I did the movie, if I made the movie the book of Joshua, you would be Joshua the Hebrew warrior. 1 (2m 6s): I'm slightly Jewish. Are you? Yeah. YiIVEM. I've been trying to take medicine. Well, 2 (2m 10s): Nobody's heard. So that's Dan Hollaway, the normal black rifle coffee, the citizen podcast. Hard af seltzer. The Drinken Bros podcast and being professionally violent and recreationally good looking. And that was the, 0 (2m 25s): The 2 (2m 25s): Siren song. Yeah. Of the world famous. Hmm. Bryan Callen. Thank you sir. Well, Allstate wrestler in high school, is 0 (2m 32s): That correct? I dunno about Allstate, but certainly took third in the all New Englands guys. 2 (2m 37s): Well, 0 (2m 37s): Hey listen, 1987, there's 2 (2m 38s): Anything anybody knows 0 (2m 39s): About. I I don't have any video tape. We didn't have video back then. 1 (2m 41s): Well, is there anybody in Massachusetts that's not in New England? No, that's 0 (2m 45s): Where 1 (2m 45s): Are the who, who else is out there? I don't wanna 2 (2m 47s): Know. They 0 (2m 48s): Had the all New England tournament at MIT every year. So that was when the prep school kids would wrestle the public school kids. We'd all come together and, and roll it out. Wait, 1 (2m 58s): Which one? Yeah. Who won Daddy was. Which one? No, which one were 0 (3m 1s): You? Daddy was boarding school. 'cause mommy and my mommy and daddy were in Saudi Arabia at the time. Mm were you? So I had to, I was shipped off to boarding school and in That's why I have a hole I can't fill. They threw me away. 1 (3m 14s): Now your 2 (3m 15s): Dad's try to fill that hole today. I think 1 (3m 16s): Your dad was serving 2 (3m 18s): Otherwise 1 (3m 18s): At the time. But 2 (3m 20s): Colin, I I, I'm gonna say this for everybody to hear. And, and this is not just because you're with an arms, like I think you are the single greatest working comic today. Ah, jeez. Standup comic. I think you are as good as it gets as a stage performer, man, that's such 0 (3m 32s): A compliment. 2 (3m 33s): And it's you 1 (3m 34s): Elevated last night. I'm not kidding. Was you, I I don't know how many times I've seen you. Yeah. Just a year ago, I think at Cab City I saw you. Yeah. This one, the soliloquy at the end, the way you tied it back into the callbacks from earlier, the show was very Carlin It, it, it was very impress. It's the best I've ever seen you man. 0 (3m 50s): That appreciate it. Yeah. It's always, it's always nerve wracking too. 'cause you don't, you know, I had all these people who were in my green room and from Lex Friedman to Michael Malice to you guys and, and you know, Rogan's there and Theo Vaughn and, and my buddy Brendan Shaw said, how did you not take any pictures? Mm. You took no pictures. You got, you got, 1 (4m 10s): We got one in that weird hallway. That's pretty much 0 (4m 11s): It. But, but I never, but because I was, but I, I think I was thinking, I was so preoccupied with trying to get what I had written out. 'cause you only have two shots at it. So I was only thinking about that. So it, it always feels good when you're, when you kind of were able to capture. 'cause you know, it gets a, it gets to a boiling point. You know, you, you just, you can't push. You have to just flow and let it go and kind of try to, try to get out what you're trying to say, like, the theme of any story, regardless of what it is, is the author's argument for how one should behave in the world. Yeah. 1 (4m 47s): Well, I mean, there's like different, so there's only a couple of dudes to Gerard's point that it's a narrative from the start of the hour to the end of the hour. Not many people can do that, to be honest. Like, there's a lot of people that can do an hour of comedy, but to do something that starts off with a motif and ends with it as well, and it's a capstone to that motif is pretty good writing 2 (5m 7s): And have the comedy lead where it's not preachy. It doesn't feel like, you know, you're, you're, you're getting lectured at. 0 (5m 13s): Yeah. I think comedy's important that way, right? Because it's lubrication. I think the minute we start being told something from that pulpit, I, I think there's something about being up here and saying, here's how things should be. And I think comedy, what's, what's important about standup is making sure you understand you're not smarter than your audience. 'cause you're not, you certainly have better than your audience. I don't care who it is because, you know, intelligence, like courage is compartmentalized. So you might be good at making people laugh if you don't know more about life. Especially people who come into contact with objective reality all the time. It's why I like being around soldiers and people who build businesses and stuff like that. There's, there's just something about that that, that you, you learn things you don't learn when you are somebody who only works with their mouth, for example, putting your hands on the world is, is something different. 0 (6m 4s): So yeah. Yeah. Comedy is that way of kind of equalizing the playing field and then you can slip in what you want to say. Yeah. 2 (6m 12s): Yeah. You know, it's, it, it's very interesting that you say it that way because Candace and I have talked about it on, on previous shows, but I feel like what happened during the woke PC movement, whatever, if you will, and it started from the top down. Everybody takes their cues off of, you know, who's getting booked by who, where, what's SNL talking about? And the activism became more important than the comedy. The message became more important than the delivery. And it, it, it's in contrast to one another. They can't live. Right? Yeah. Because activism is supposed to be taken seriously by nature. And comedy is supposed to not be taken seriously by nature. 1 (6m 46s): It's the same thing that happens with the press though, right? Like you're, you, you purchase access to things with how, I guess into the current thing you are how supportive you are of whatever the top level thing is. But comedy is meant to be subversive, of course. And the press is meant to hold power accountable. 0 (7m 4s): Art should disturb. Yeah. Art should shake up Shakespeare, art satire, Shakespeare, 1 (7m 8s): Shakespeare's, the originals he wrote for 25 years subversive to the English crown the whole time while he was friends. Whether an asshole, whether it was him or not, somebody did it and they didn't get executed for it. That's 0 (7m 19s): The point. I love that Dan carries a gun and will shoot you in the face, but will quote Shakespeare and understands Shakespeare's historical significance. Please. One of my favorite things about that guy. Yeah. But you're right. And you know, the, the thing about the reason I don't think woke, even though it's it, they're trying to keep it going. I want, every time I read, I love to read Legacy Media to see these people that are essentially in crisis. Nobody's making any money in any of these publications. The New York Times makes money 'cause they're crossword puzzle, but nobody reads the articles and you know, it's, it's sexless. It's humorless and it's reductive. You know, it, it, and it's, it just reduces every, every situation to, you know, power powerless, oppressed, oppressor. 1 (8m 4s): It's, it's insulting to people. People are so much more, it's 0 (8m 8s): Not, it's 1 (8m 8s): Just not true. It's not true. It's people are so much more complex than that. Yes. Right? And it's so insulting to try to have not just your life, but the entire fucking world reduced down to these couple of things that are the truth. All of a sudden's, 2 (8m 21s): Like, fuck on. But that's, it's intentional, that's critical theory. That's what it is. It's supposed to just get rid of your, your, your foundations for any sort of belief, right? Yeah. Like, that's the whole, oh, you believe the American, that's the whole point, you know, experiment. Then you love people that were slave owners. Yeah. It's like, oh, those are my two options. 0 (8m 37s): That's why like, I love, so in the brothers Kara Mossoff, the, the the Dust Ask is a great writer because he made Ivan the oldest brother who didn't believe in God, and Doki was profoundly religious, and he made Ivan the oldest brother. And somebody that's very hard to argue with because Ivan had been broken by the world. It's 1 (8m 58s): Called Steel Manning, by the way. Which is what you're supposed to do when you're having an intellectual argument with somebody. 0 (9m 2s): Exactly. And like, so The Grapes of Wrath is a great book to me. But, but I heard someone say it's not a great book. It's a good book. And the reason it's a good book and not a great book is because Steinbeck forgot to put in there the perspective of the orange growers, the owners of the orchard. So we only saw the migrants from the Dust Bowl come in and they were starving and, you know, they, it was very hard for them. And they were being, you know, broken apart and bent in half by these Yeah. Oppressive orange growers. We should have seen their perspective. We should have seen any great movie, any great movie. The bad Guy always breaks your heart a little bit. 0 (9m 42s): The bad guy says, I'm not the bad guy, I'm just a businessman. 2 (9m 45s): The devil has the best lines, man. Greed is 1 (9m 47s): Good. 0 (9m 48s): Yeah, 1 (9m 48s): Greed is good. I mean, it's one of the most famous lines in all cinema history. This doesn't just apply to art, by the way, in science, when you're writing a paper on something or, and, and you're doing primary research, this, you typically, the second to last section or paragraph is the authors addressing any kind of descent that might have come up during the thing. Right? Here's what other people are saying about our, because you put it out for peer review and then you add the spot later. Here's what people are saying about it. Here's our response to it. And you do it in a genuine way. Right. Otherwise, your whole paper's bullshit, in my opinion. Right. Right. And if you, if you have ideology that's untested, you don't have anything. Right. 2 (10m 24s): So there's a couple things that came up in, in your, your special taping that I thought, you know, so much of what you talked about that I think a lot of the brilliance of it was, it was, it's like internal monologue stuff. It's stuff I've all thought about, we've all thought about. And it was almost like in a lot of ways it was the intrusive thoughts. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It was like, oh, you know, he's saying it out loud. We we're not supposed to admit any of this. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And the part that I loved was where you talked about what you would do if you became a billionaire and how it would reduce you down to, to a toddler. Yeah. Essentially. Right? Yeah. And I thought about that a lot when I I, whenever anybody talks about like, hey, if you had superpowers, what everybody sees themselves as the hero. Yeah. And if you've ever driven with me and you've ever been in traffic with me for one minute, you would know I would be a super villain immediately. 2 (11m 9s): Right. But I, but I would, I would try to justify my villainy by being like, well, that person was on the phone in the left lane. You know, that's, they had to go. Right. So, and, and when you're kind of writing that and when you're exploring that sort of stuff, I know you're not in there with the billionaire and it's all coming to you. Right. Then you're, you have to must, you must be kind of going back and thinking about that in that moment. 0 (11m 31s): Right? Yeah. I think, you know, when I went to college at American University in DC there were a lot of very, very wealthy Middle Eastern like Saudi people. And, and I dated a very, very wealthy girl. And I remember h how good it smelled. I remember their perfume, their cologne, their perfect clothing, their beautiful houses in the interior of their cars. You know, wealth like that is cozy. It smells good. It's so clean and it tastes so good in general. It's just everything is considered you, you can become almost fetishistic about how something feels, the kind of cream you put on your skin, what you, what kind of water you wash your face with. 0 (12m 21s): And, and what's interesting about that is you can get, and then I remember I was in I London and I, I was, I was, I wasn't paying the bill, but we were eating at these, like, you name it, the best restaurants. We were just like, what restaurant should we go to? And by the third day, I was just, I felt like a stuffed goose. And I, I, I needed to push against something. I needed to be uncomfortable. So I went and worked out until I was gonna throw up. I just needed to do some shit. And then I, I had to stop eating for a day because I just wanted to feel my ribs again. I wanted to feel like, like, like I was, and, and so I think that's what happens. 0 (13m 3s): You cannot follow a sensation. You cannot satiate every desire. You can't do it. You will, you will, it will corrupt you. Yeah. I mean, you can good luck, enjoy that. But you have to, there's something I think as I get older that I, I enjoy, I enjoy the, I, I enjoy self restriction. It never gets easy. And I just now, I just, I appreciate compliment. You're massive. I have to, well, YiIVEM have to throw away what I just wrote and I have to come up with a whole new bag of tricks. I don't know. I'm always afraid because I, I'm afraid of repeating myself. I have to, I have to now kind of try to be original, which means I have to surprise myself first. Right. But it all comes down to what you were saying, which is what really bothers you. 0 (13m 45s): What bothers you, what doesn't sit right with you? What feels like a lie? What is this mutual, insincerity society? Mm. We're all kind of going along with Hollywood. Yeah. And the fashion world. What is going on with you guys? Like, why do you have somebody? You're, you're, you're, you're talking about women. I love gender benders. I love the idea that you can have somebody trans in a movie. I don't give a shit about that. But don't start telling me that somebody with a bulge in their pan, in their, in their girl's bathing suit is a girl. Go fuck yourself. 1 (14m 20s): No, I'm not gonna participate in your fucking delusion. 0 (14m 23s): I'm not doing that. If they're doing it purpose, she has a different brain than I do. Thank God. Thank fucking 1 (14m 28s): God. Yeah. We would all be fucked, by the way. Fuck dude. Like so hard. 0 (14m 32s): Could you raise my kids? You and I would, the kids would die 1 (14m 34s): Drunk. They wouldn't have shoes on. Correct. For sure. She, they would be armed my kids right now. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. 0 (14m 41s): Yeah. There's no guy's gonna babysit my kids. No fucking including me. No, after a while you're just like, oh, I forget. Oh, what happened? Where is the kid? You know? Yeah. But you're, you're, what, what you're describing 2 (14m 51s): Is intentionally antagonistic and they're gaslighting people into acting like, why are you antagonized gaslighting? 1 (14m 56s): Well, the only way to win that game is not how are antagonized. The only way to win that game is to not play. You roll your eyes and you walk in the other direction. Yeah. And 2 (15m 3s): I also realize, 1 (15m 4s): Well, but izing helps. But being rude doesn't help. No, but 0 (15m 7s): I also embolden, what I love about Michael Malice is Michael will fight. Michael is not bending the knee in any way. Because I don't think these people, these activists, these people, they're, first of all, I don't think they're good people. I don't think they're interested in equality or anything else. No. They're in so power. No, I 1 (15m 23s): Mean, socialists never love the poor. They just hated the, they, they're the worst 0 (15m 26s): People. 1 (15m 26s): That's it. 0 (15m 27s): Socialists and all these people. I I, I don't think that, I don't think a O C's a good person. I think she's, I don't think she's a smart person either. Sorry. But let's just, and so I'm done being understanding the, the, there is a time to fight and those people are worth fighting. I'm not interested. I don't care that you, you don't like me anyway. And I don't, I definitely don't like you. You know, and then I hear like this, this, this, this fucking singer, what's her name? Abel is her last name. Oh, Kain. Kain Abel. What? I don't know what the fuck her name is. She's a singer and she says she did a hashtag kill all CEOs. And she says, sometimes violence is the answer. 0 (16m 7s): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Left winger. You really wanna start talking about that. You wanna talk about you when every time the left talks about violence, I'm like, you guys have, I have friends and I think about people like, you don't wake those dogs up. They shoot so much straighter than you do. You don't want to step in that arena. You will get, it'll be the worst thing you can imagine. Yeah. 2 (16m 27s): That's the mind validated 0 (16m 28s): Dude. Don't wake up. Don't wake the conservative line up. Please don't do that. They 2 (16m 32s): Want to be the victim though. They, they, they, I mean they, they don't 0 (16m 35s): Have any idea what violence they victim. They don't know what violence is though. That fucking singer has never seen the kind of shit he's seen. Think 2 (16m 40s): About, you've been a literal movie star. Think about a world you took. Think about the left wing mind. If you wanna call in a world, in a world think in a world, in a world, in a world. Ju smollett, right? Yeah. It, he was a literal television and movie star and he thought it would be better for him. It would, it would give him more social clout to be the victim of a hate crime than to be a movie 0 (17m 3s): Star. Well, look at, you're gonna see something come out in my, I'll predict. I think Blake Lively really miscalculated when she sued Justin bald for sexual harassment. Yeah. That dude's got, got receipts, bro. He's got, he's like, really? I barged in on your trailer when you were breastfeeding. Yeah. This is interesting. 'cause you told me to come in. I mean, I have the whole, wow, this arrogance and this decision to destroy somebody using that weaponry is outrageous. That's, and I think she's, I think 1 (17m 32s): She's good. And what an odd choice too, because before this incident, almost university universally well-liked. 3 (17m 39s): Yeah. Oh yeah. No, we were talking about that though. When you were in Wilmington, though. She's doing it because of all the bad press she got. So she's like, this is gonna recover all of my horrible interviews that are coming up. Yeah. 1 (17m 49s): Urs, that's, she's 3 (17m 50s): Like bullying interview. 2 (17m 51s): Is that right? Really? 3 (17m 52s): Yeah. She's been horrible to so many people. Awful. And just like video after video after video, it's kind thoughts. Everyone thought she was like a really nice girl. But she's the mean girl the whole time. She's awful. And then she's used her husband to bully people too on the movie, like rewriting trailers and edits. And they used the same editors from Deadpool for this like really dramatic romance abusive movie. And they're like, that tracks. And I'm like, no, this is horrible. He's not supposed to be editing this. And they ended up scrapping it. Oh wow. Yeah. 2 (18m 17s): They took, she thrown 0 (18m 18s): Away, they took Baldoni off the movie. Right. And then it, and then she had this, this whole checklist of what he had to do from now on. This guy was not this guy. Look that guy Justin Baldoni, like I, I, he's, he's, he, he's like a feminist and he gives all these people that, that turns my stomach a little bit. Okay. He's all sensitive. I'm not, not my kind of dude. But the one thing I guarantee that guy's not is a sexual harasser. No. It it ain't it. It, it doesn't track. Mm. 1 (18m 48s): Well it's, you know, the value structure that we have, what social currency is matters as much as the food that you put in your body. Right? 2 (18m 59s): These are sociopaths. I mean, joy Taylor literally in the, it's not that she slept her way to the top. Whatever good for you. Use the, use the tools God gave you. It's that she was so flippant when she was like, oh, if he doesn't gimme the role, I'm just gonna say that he, he abused me. God. Like, did you see that? God, that's I, 0 (19m 16s): And you know what a sociopath, like, you should go to jail for that shit. They are the worst people. I'm always amazed, I'm fucking always amazed at how bad people are. I don't know how you live with yourself. Like you are willing to destroy somebody to get further ahead. It's like, I, I I even having, I, I, I can't. I, I'm, I'm, but, you know, listen, I think I've paid a price for being that naive. I told you, my buddy who's, who's a billionaire, I said something about this guy when I was like, I like him. He seems nice. He goes, the problem with you is you like everybody dude. And, and you think everybody's nice like you. And you're the last person to see the asshole. We see him in five minutes. It takes you 10 years. Yeah. And I was like, dude, that's such a liability. 0 (19m 56s): I think 1 (19m 56s): A lot of it is this. We've gone from an honor based society to a sneaky fucker based society. Yeah. Do you know what you, you know what sneaky fucker is? I know you guys all know what it is. 0 (20m 6s): I live in la I live in la 1 (20m 7s): Right? Yeah. So the, the background for the sneaky fucker thing is amongst certain types of creatures. Let's go with walrus for this one. There's a beach master. He is the largest, most powerful. He fucks all the chicks. And everybody else is a little bitch hanging on, on the other side of the hill. They're called sneaky fuckers because they'll wait for him to go to sleep. They'll sneak in and have sex. 2 (20m 30s): Walruses have Jody's too, man. Like, 1 (20m 32s): Nah, he, he's, there's one dude that's the man. And then these other walruses will sneak in. Sometimes they'll get killed because of it. Right. But they'll, they're called sneaky fuckers. 2 (20m 41s): I think gad sad has the thing about that a lot of lot 1 (20m 43s): People talk the fish Talk about Yeah. Fish. Yeah. Yeah. Like the 3 (20m 46s): Boy fish will pretend to be girl fish. Yeah. Which is a lot of the male feminists. Right. Like, I support your Cause Well explain 2 (20m 51s): It for our audience that doesn't sleep with a hot check. Yeah. For our audience that isn't best friends with the, the gad father like you, what, what, what is gad talking about when he is talking about that? 3 (20m 60s): No, it was just what he was saying. So it's, it's the male tries to kind of like take on the female characteristics to be allowed in so that the more dominant male doesn't act aggressive towards him, he gets accepted and protected by, by the females. And then he's like, oh, actually I'm a dude. And then he'll have sex with the female fish. It's 2 (21m 17s): The fake gay guy. It's 3 (21m 18s): Like a way to like continue their, their legacy. Right. Because otherwise you're not gonna to 0 (21m 24s): Get my jeans in there. 3 (21m 25s): Yeah. You traditionally wouldn't pick a feminine guy to protect your young or you or to provide, unless 2 (21m 30s): You're on hormonal birth, birth control. Right. Or hormonal birth control. 3 (21m 34s): I don't know why. Yeah. But I think a lot of people aren't anymore. Like a lot of women are coming off of that. 'cause we realize it makes you crazy. We have to and pick the wrong dude. 2 (21m 40s): We have to look at what was done, 0 (21m 41s): What, what is. Yeah. There, there's that balance, right? You're, you're attracted to aggression, competitiveness, but then you don't want to turn against you. 3 (21m 48s): Well, and this still happens naturally in your cycle. So if you are ovulating, you're gonna be more attracted to like a traditionally masculine, masculine guy. And then when you're in a non fertile window, you still have preference for a more feminine guy. But it's not as stark as the birth control. The birth control gets tricky because it messes your olfactory system. So pheromones and such. Yeah. So you can't pick up on the pheromones. So traditionally they've done a study and they'll take a a t-shirt that a guy's worn for three days and they'll have the woman pick out which one she's most attracted to. And it's based off of biodiversity. So she'll pick the one that has like the least in common with her genetics. Mm. And then that's traction. But when you're on birth control, it blocks everything. So you end up being attracted to something. Maybe it's just aesthetic or common interest, but you're taking out all of the science and like evolution in what is attraction. 3 (22m 34s): You can see, you can see 0 (22m 35s): It. Men don't have 1 (22m 36s): Shoulders anymore. 0 (22m 38s): Men, men are raised. Yeah. Men are raised by women. And, and then they start wearing, you know, really expensive sneakers. 1 (22m 44s): You know how you can tell how old a deer is by the inside spread? How, how much hunting have you done? Enough? Not that much. So not enough to know this inside stupid bullshit. But when their ears lay flat at the outside of the antler is beyond the outside of the ear. You can tell basically how old they are based on that. Right. Or, but depending on what time of the season it is. I do the same thing with people for men. If, if, if you don't have shoulders, don't fucking talk to me. I don't wanna hear that shit. Yeah. Go fucking work your delts. Yeah. Until they can be seen. Yeah. And then we can have 0 (23m 15s): That conversation. That's my son, son. 2 (23m 17s): That's single gayest thing I've ever heard 0 (23m 18s): Say. Yeah. But my, my 13-year-old son, you know, I said, you got, you know, he's doing juujitsu. And I go, well, you got three choices. You can get your black belt in Juujitsu or you can get your black belt in Juujitsu or you can get your black belt in jujitsu. He's also wrestling. And I go, and you got, you're gonna be in high school, you got three choices. You can wrestle in high school, you can wrestle in high school, you can wrestle in high school. 'cause for me it changed my DNA, it changed everything. Yeah. Yeah. And whether you lose when, it doesn't matter. Just anything difficult, there's something about it. And I don't think he's gonna be, you're not gonna be an Olympic wrestler. You're not gonna be in the UFC. But any sport, just get, for me, just get good at anything. And if you're not a sportsman, get good at the piano. Get good at the guitar something. Get good at something, man. Yeah. 2 (23m 54s): Yeah. But, but it's also, it's just important for anybody, especially a young man when you're growing up, like have your hands on somebody else, have somebody else's hands on. You survive the situation. And the more and more you survive that. And then if you get into a place where it's like, oh, actually I can actually take this dude down if I want to, I can actually choke 0 (24m 13s): This dude down. Well, Lex Friedman, Lex is an MIT professor 2 (24m 17s): Who blocked me, by the way, why have he blocked me man? Why he blocked you 0 (24m 19s): Blocked Lex is a, is a, is a, it was an MIT professor was the guy who designed the self-driving program for Tesla. And he's a black belt and judo and Juujitsu. Oh. So enjoy that shit. Everybody should go, that's a Russian. He can also, he can also play chess. He's got a and he knows 2 (24m 41s): All the poetry in the world. You know what I love about the Russians that are down in Kil Cliff? You know what they, they, they, they love saying, you know what we call Sambo, if it was easy jujitsu Guys, they're, they're on a different level, man. But one of the things I I really admired about, you know, your act too is the message is, is it's something for us all to contemplate. It's something, it's, it's about relationships. It's about aging. It's, it's, it was really great. But it, it was a togetherness. And there, there was an empathy to it. Especially, you know, you, you, for the trans community specifically, you, you know, you kind of throw a shot across the, the kill Tony Bow there about, you know, the low hanging fruit that everybody's been going after. 2 (25m 23s): But you've run a f afoul of the the woke mob. Yeah. You had, you had your cancel moment. Of course. And this is, this is the big comeback I would imagine. Right. But 0 (25m 30s): Yeah, I never, I never thought about it any, I just kept moving. You keep moving and, and you stay close to the truth. 2 (25m 37s): But you haven't, you're not spiteful. You're, you haven't, you haven't, no. You know, you didn't spite the ball in the end zone is what, what I'm saying. No way. You're, you're empathetic and you what you're calling for. What would 1 (25m 48s): Be the purpose? Spite who, who, who does spite work for? 0 (25m 52s): Right. 2 (25m 52s): So it's all, it's all I run on, I run on spite and carbohydrates. 0 (25m 55s): Yeah, no, a bad idea. 'cause resistance is always gonna be there. And, and people will dislike you and people will try to ruin you and all that. That's like having rocks in the way when you're running. It's just a rock. And, and, and it makes you better. You, you, you, I think your job, first of all, you're gonna meet chaos. I don't care who you are. You will, you will meet chaos. You will you, like a person dies more than once. If you live long enough and you will, you know, typically you will build this persona. You'll build this persona, and it's gonna be hard work, and it's gonna work for you. And you're gonna get successful at this, whoever this persona is. 0 (26m 36s): And, and you know, it'll be, it'll come with some status money and whatever. It will get burnt away. Because first of all, it's yourself imagined who is the self who is this person? You're, you're protecting, what is this Bryan Callen. But what, what am I, do I, am I owed something? No, it, it, it is, is am I a tough guy? No. Who am I? Well, I, I, this has all been a construct and sometimes you get, it all gets burned away or, or whatever you were holding onto, you can't hold onto. And the gift there is that you will then be left with the people that actually matter. You'll be forced to learn how to focus your mind on what actually is productive. 0 (27m 23s): Now you cannot do that. And you can get bitter and you can turn your back on your future and you can hold resentment for certain people. But you, you unfortunately, I'm sorry, but you can't do that. It'll ruin you. You won't reach your potential. Yeah. You just go, oh, I got it. Cool. This is good fuel. This is good fuel. I I've always wanted to be liked and, you know, that can be destroyed. Look at Justin bald or look at a lot of people. You get one person say one thing about you, and you'll have an entire group of people in a flash decide who you are. 0 (28m 3s): Sure. And that's not fun, especially when you're in the business of look at me and like me. Yeah. External validation is fickle in that regard. You know? And it's bullshit. I don't need your external validation. No. 1 (28m 13s): You need, you need your core identity. And it's why first principles matter so much. These people that have these like, oh god damn, just ever shifting political, I, everybody's an expert on whatever the current thing is. Like, you don't know anything, dude. You don't know anything. Like, you don't shut your fucking mouth. You don't know anything about this. Like, I, even, even the most basic subject, which I think is liberty, right? Like freedom of speech is the mo Like you, we, we talked about this a couple weeks ago actually. To understand why censorship is so evil, you have to understand all the shit that had to happen to get rid of it. Right. You have to understand that. 1 (28m 54s): And, and, and you could, you don't have to go back too far. You could go back to Locke and Montesquieu specifically and understand that, that the ultimate right is the property. Right. And the ultimate property is yourself. And the ultimate expression of that is your thought. And somebody controlling what you say is controlling what you think. And that's evil. It's evil, it's not wrong. It's fucking evil to do that to somebody. Right. So now you can say, okay, I am a free speech absolutist and realize that it only matters when you fucking disagree with what the person's saying. Right. But if you don't understand the core principle of that, people's interpretation of the First Amendment or freedom of speech is, well, so long as it doesn't offend me, then it's fine. 1 (29m 34s): That's not what the fuck it means. Yeah. 0 (29m 36s): That's the first time I've heard John Locke was given that credit. I didn't know that. That's really cool. 3 (29m 42s): No, the obscenity thing is the thing that always gets me, because I tend to be in the more free speech absolutist bucket. But then people always use porn, for example, as something that shouldn't be, or art. And they'll be like, well, the obscenity clause should be something that pulls this thing out of being protected under free speech. But in reality is something like 80% of everything that was banned in the Soviet Union was under the obscenity law. So Really? Yeah. And then you're like, well define obscene. You're, and then the definition is I'll know it when I see it. Well, that's, yeah. It doesn't get more subjective than that. How do you think this is a good idea? That was 1 (30m 13s): That which it was a female Supreme Court justice? 0 (30m 16s): No, it was a male. It was, it was. I'll know it when I see it. Yeah. And I know it when I see it. 1 (30m 22s): Was it a male? It was, 0 (30m 23s): It was a male. And I used to know his name and YiIVEM forgotten now. Oliver 2 (30m 26s): Wendell Holmes. 1 (30m 27s): No, it definitely wasn't Thurgood Marshall Black dude 0 (30m 30s): That I was thinking it was 1 (30m 31s): Th no black dudes would've been into it for sure. Yeah. I think was, yeah, 2 (30m 34s): Two Oliver Wendell Holmes 1 (30m 35s): To the obscenity thing. So that there was this Russian law, I can't remember what it was like. There was a number 600 something or four 60 something, I don't remember exactly what it was. But it essentially criminalized everything. Right. Anything the government interpreted as illegal was now illegal. And that, that included things you just said. So anytime you, this is why government is also a problem, right. You cannot allow them to create weapons because they will use them against you no matter how noble the intention, they will use that weapon against you. Right. We've seen it over the last 25 years. All this stuff going on with the Patriot Act, the surveillance state, the Fs a courts and all that stuff. It's incredible. It's evil. It is. Right. 0 (31m 14s): You're always, 2 (31m 14s): It's very, very disappointing seeing Tulsi come off that. Come on. But hopefully she's just saying what she needs to say to get, 3 (31m 22s): What did she say? Catch me up, 1 (31m 24s): TUL. Well, she's been against 7 0 2 for a while. Yeah. She voted against it in 2018, if I remember correctly. But now she's what's 7 0 2? It's the Fs a court stuff. Now she's playing bold. It, it's Tom 2 (31m 34s): Cotton that, that is demanding that she Yeah. The Fs a courts are some of the most illegal shit possible. 1 (31m 39s): Yeah. It basically just allows for warrantless wire tapping. It's, it's a complete violation of the Fourth Amendment. Right. And 0 (31m 46s): It's always gonna be, always gonna be abused. Yeah. 1 (31m 49s): A hundred percent. It's 0 (31m 49s): Impossible not to. That was the biggest, I mean, the, with with Jefferson and I think Adams, the, the, the, the election of 1800, the, the, the biggest thing was should the United States have a standing army. Because traditionally when you had a standing army, a charismatic leader like Napoleon took it over 1 (32m 9s): And the answer was no. And the answer, Jefferson authorized the Navy only to protect shipping and transportation. And I would say we should definitely get, as somebody who is in the standing army, we should get rid of it. I think we should get rid of 0 (32m 19s): It entirely. You're so, I love how fucking literate. You read a lot, a lot, a lot. You've gone, but you've, you've completed the circle in your education. What does that mean? You've read all the, well you've, you've read thoroughly. You've, you've taken the time to understand what Locke and Montesquieu contribution to the long debate is. You have a good, strong understanding of the turning points in history. What, what, what are you, is it reading? Are you taking courses? What are you doing? 1 (32m 48s): I just read, I mean, to be frank, when I was younger, I had some social development issues you might call them. So I started self-medicating with LSD at a pretty young age. Around 11. Yeah. Did really? At 11. Yeah. And I was, I was just, how do 2 (33m 4s): You get access to LSD at 11 years old? You 1 (33m 6s): Figure it out. Older brother look. Yeah. When you're 0 (33m 8s): Dan. 1 (33m 10s): Yeah. So, I mean, I actually read it really medical journal where they were using it to treat autistic kids. Right. So it's like, oh, that'll work for me. Interesting. It's a fucking bold movie. 0 (33m 19s): You're an academic, you're, you're hopelessly 1 (33m 21s): Academic. But I just started reading shit on acid all the time. But 0 (33m 24s): Why did you go into the military? Why would a guy like you go into the military? 1 (33m 28s): I 0 (33m 28s): Can just see you in books 1 (33m 30s): Because, but you 0 (33m 31s): Have a physicality to you there. 1 (33m 32s): There's a no matter what we create, you talked about the machines a little bit last night too. No matter what we create, what technology we create, what ai, whatever the fuck it is, weapons. It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it comes down to one man with a gun and another man with a gun. And I'm not gonna fucking lose. 2 (33m 52s): Now it comes down with a geek with a drone and another geek 1 (33m 54s): With a drone. God no. Tell me because that, that geek got a neck and I could fucking open it up. Yeah. 0 (33m 59s): You hear that? Oh, 2 (34m 1s): Oh. Something like a threat, didn't 0 (34m 2s): He? Yeah. He'll unzip that neck fucking 1 (34m 4s): Pop. Not like your real estate guy. Yeah, we were talking about that. That was fucking hilarious. He was like, 3 (34m 8s): I think he is talking about me. He was like, no. He said he did, he did real estate. Yeah. 1 (34m 11s): I was like, I've never done real estate. 0 (34m 14s): No, you, I would expect to have a knife. 1 (34m 16s): I I've got both, but 0 (34m 16s): Yeah, you understand how to use it when I just have a guy who's like a civilian, I'm like, Hey bro, one of us, what's a sheath knife in Los 1 (34m 22s): Angeles? She and I have gotten into this before about getting into knife fights. Everybody loses. I'm 0 (34m 26s): To get, 3 (34m 27s): I'm not trying to get into a knife fight with anyone. It was before it was comfortable carrying. So, especially with little, so I would just have a knife. And then I was taught how to use it, not to get into a knife fight, but how to defend myself and said fight, 1 (34m 40s): Turn around and run. It's 3 (34m 41s): Also, no, it's not, it's not. Assuming the other guy has a knife, it's assuming the other guy is unarmed. Which is why I had it. You as 0 (34m 47s): A small woman should 3 (34m 49s): Have a weapon. So, exactly. But now I, now I But 2 (34m 51s): Why would you bring a knife for that guy to just take from 3 (34m 53s): You? No, he's not gonna take it from me. Oh, 2 (34m 55s): You're gonna, you're gonna 0 (34m 56s): Download this dude, I 3 (34m 56s): Know how to use a knife. It's not gonna 0 (34m 58s): Take him from me. I was, we were in this martial arts class. I, my juujitsu class and, and my professor was, he is a, just a badass, but he, he's a military. He did a lot of shit. I wouldn't even say his name. 'cause I, he's, I know he's just one of those guys who, who really understands real weaponry and has done it. And so his son, who's one of the best jiujitsu people on the planet and an MMA fighter fights in, I can't remember the league, but he's gonna be something. But he's like 25 and just a fucking monster trying to roll with him is so, it's so adorable. Because it's like, I tried to, I tried to put Tim Kennedy in a, in a, a rear naked choke. We 1 (35m 35s): Were in his next two goddamn big. 0 (35m 36s): We were in France. Yeah. And I, and I had him here Oh. For the jump. I had him in a seatbelt. And he and I go, just so you know. And he goes, this is adorable. You're so 2 (35m 44s): Adorable. And 0 (35m 46s): And I, it was so, it was so bad. It was, it didn't work out for me. Yeah. And it's the same thing. So then we had both a knife, we had this, these knives, and he had to try to defend me against me with a knife. I cut him up. I fucking just, I was like, da da da. And he's like, fuck. You know, it's a whole different thing. 2 (36m 3s): Knife fighting is a little bit like Muay Hai. Nobody really wins. You just lose slower than the other guy, you know, lose less. 1 (36m 9s): Oh my God. Yeah. 2 (36m 10s): I mean, Muay Hai, it's just, you know, just fuck 1 (36m 13s): Chopping 2 (36m 13s): Down the legs. It's 1 (36m 14s): Nuts. I'm not getting into a knife fight. You 0 (36m 16s): Ever read the book of five Rings? Mito Ji He said a real sword. Fighting doesn't have pairing. It's not like ching ching ching. It's the first dude to your throat. Is that like, you know, that's where they just, that co like that whoever gets there first. Ugh. 2 (36m 31s): Yeah. That's why you don't see the, the, the, the French weren't able to colonize Japan where than they were. That was Japanese. They're like, you know what, we're gonna stop here. 0 (36m 39s): Vietnam, the Portuguese. The Portuguese said, do not give them gunpowder. Yeah. They're the most ferocious people on the planet. Don't give them that technology. 1 (36m 47s): Nobody listens to Europe. 'cause the French told us not to go to Vietnam. We were like, fuck you pussy. Oh dude. Right. Even though there was a, so the French begged us to go to Vietnam, the French, no. They, they warned us not to go there. So maybe the state at the time did, but the Warriors who had left there, oh, the Warriors don't fucking go 2 (37m 4s): There. Even the French, the, the French government begged us, I 1 (37m 6s): Don't know, I don't know how the French come in for all this bullshit about being surrender monkeys or whatever, because that's not really how it went down. Right. Like, that's not how history worked. I mean, general, like of the top five 2 (37m 18s): World War II wasn't a good look when you lose your country in 14 days. Well that was, 1 (37m 21s): It's not a good look when you don't have the infrastructure to defend it. But there was also a fucking cavalry that was a French cavalry unit that took down a, a company of third Panzer division tanks on horseback. Right. Damn. So, I mean, I don't, that stuff doesn't fly with me. 2 (37m 35s): No, I, yeah, I get it. But they, 1 (37m 37s): It's funny. And they funny 2 (37m 38s): Stink. Hey dude, he's Aranco file. Okay. I know. Relax. Sorry, Jefferson. The phones 0 (37m 45s): The, 1 (37m 46s): Actually, if we invaded, like I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm a non interventionalist most of the time. But if we decided to invade France, I'd be fine with it. Just spray 'em all with Axe body spray or something. 2 (37m 54s): Yeah. Speaking that, are you, you excited about Greenland? Greenland becoming part of 0 (37m 58s): The United States? Yeah. YiIVEM, I've, I've never under, I don't understand this whole move for Canada. 1 (38m 3s): 55,000 extra people. I mean, 0 (38m 6s): It's a very strange thing. Ah, these damn green Landan. 1 (38m 9s): We already have a military base there. I don't know what else. Yeah. Like I, they, I think it's just pressure to get it emancipated from Denmark so we can do more military stuff there than we want to do. Yeah. I think that's really all. It's 0 (38m 18s): Well, Iceland and Greenland, I mean these are big vikings. So it's a good, 1 (38m 23s): So the history boys, I think they talked about it on the show we did the other day. Our history guys, the Vikings sent some people to Greenland and it was a couple hundred years went by and they're like, oh fuck what happened to those dudes? They all died. Right. They died. But they probably died immediately. Yeah. 2 (38m 41s): Sucks. Like Eric the red 1 (38m 43s): Murdered somebody. 0 (38m 44s): They couldn't but they couldn't find food. Yeah. It's like you competing 1 (38m 47s): With polar bears. There was no, there was no trees. Right. Yeah. Your Viking culture is based on building ships and fucking stealing shit from people. Yeah. And there's no people to steal, steal from and no goddamn 0 (38m 56s): Trees. I went hunting in the Missouri breaks. Mm. And and that is, it's just clay and you can't grow anything. Yeah. It's, and the Homestead Act, they had a bunch of people that went out there to try to like grow red wheat and stuff didn't go well, man. Yeah. It just, you just, you could live off, if you could kill a deer, you're basically a hunter gatherer. And I'm, I can stalk deer. I don't know if you know that, but I, I'm, for me, I'm the only guy that I use throwing stars and, and a sheath knife impress. 2 (39m 23s): When I picked the up stole impress pushups, he was up to, what was it, 900, 900 pushups by the time 3 (39m 27s): I do a lot of pushups. I have 0 (39m 28s): A really good body under the sweater. I have a great body. 1 (39m 31s): She saw your moves last night on stage. She 0 (39m 33s): Saw it. I'm a dancer. Yeah. I'm very expressive, 3 (39m 35s): Very nimble. 0 (39m 36s): I like your, I've been watching, I was watching your, you seem to have a very strong command of male female psychology. 3 (39m 43s): Yeah. Polarity is something I've been diving really deep into. 1 (39m 45s): What do you mean by polarity? I'm new to this show. Explain it. 3 (39m 48s): Polarity. It's essentially everything has a charge. So typically men are masculine, fe women are feminine. And then there's about 10% of people that are neutral. Like actually neutral. It's not like a shell or some kind of trauma that's caused you. They just really aren't, they're not really interested in a lot of things. They kind of just, it's like those 50 50 relationships that you tend to see. And then what we've seen through culture and feminism specifically is women developing. What, there's this author called David Data and he speaks a lot about it. 1 (40m 20s): That's D-E-I-D-A by the way, if you wanna look it up. Data. Yeah. 3 (40m 23s): It's, his stuff is amazing. But developing a masculine shell. So then they, they're presenting masculine and then men becoming feminine and presenting fem more feminine. So when you were talking yesterday about like guys not being able to talk about your feelings or like kind of shoving it down. There is a time for that. Absolutely. But that was something he would call like first generation Masculinity. Yeah. Right. Which is the more traditional and woman stays at home traditional roles. Second iteration would be 50 50 relationships. And that's where you kind of neutralize the relationship. So you end up having a business relationship with your wife instead of having that chemistry. Or like you become roommates and it works for some people, it works for about 10% of people. 3 (41m 5s): But other people start complaining like, he doesn't turn me on. She's always in sweatpants, whatever the thing is. And then the next, the third evolution, which he says more women are getting to, and men are still kind of stuck in one and two is what he calls intimate communion. And it's being able to access both parts of you, like the feminine and the masculine. We both have both. But being able to still have polarity when you get into the romantic setting. So if you're a woman and you have to be masculine at your job and intentionally turning that off and then understanding the role that you're supposed to be with your partner. And right now there's still so much like aversion to that because women don't want to lose their power. 'cause some of them feel like they just got it. 3 (41m 46s): And men, I think a lot of them still have to learn how to feel, you know what I mean? Like there's still, if I cry then she's never gonna see me as a man anymore. And there's all of those tropes online where women are like begging their guy to be more emotionally available. And then you see the red pill guys come in and they're like, don't do it. It's a trap. It is. 0 (42m 5s): It's a trap sometimes. Right? It is. Because a woman can lose her attraction at the same time. If 3 (42m 10s): You wallow in it. If you wallow, 1 (42m 11s): That's 3 (42m 12s): What it different. There's different kinds of emotions. 0 (42m 14s): There's passion too. Right. There's where you can cry. 1 (42m 17s): I mean, you can cry at the Grand Canyon, right. As a man. That's fair. 0 (42m 20s): Yeah. No, I, I I, I agree. Like I, my, my feeling with my wife, who I just think I, I, you know, six years going and I, I just love her and we have a great relationship and, and it's intimate, but it does it's work. Like you have to tend to the garden. Mm. Right. You, you and my feeling is like, I always try to make sure like I get the door for her or I, you know, just the working on even your body or your, how you look and, and how you take the time to spend. 'cause I have two little kids. You can get obsessed with that. But then show your kids that your wife is more important. Sometimes. 1 (42m 57s): That's a good question. If you, you should only, if you're just starting a relationship and you're talking about kids, ask the other person who comes first, me or the kids. And if they say the kids fucking leave. That's right. Right. That relationship 0 (43m 9s): Is open. It's gotta be, you have to show your kids that your, that your wife is the most important in some ways. Of course, my children, you know, but, but this is mom and dad and we're a unit. But keeping that attraction is like fighting gravity. You have to do that, you know? And I also think that for me, I think keeping, keeping a little antagonistic sort of antagonism. I'm not interested in just, I'm not fucking, I am volatile and I am gonna fly off the handle. And I'm a dick sometimes not apologizing for it. Because sometimes, because sometimes things piss me off and I'm gonna be a fucking asshole. But of course then I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back and it's gonna be good. And I'm gonna say sorry, but you gotta keep that, sometimes you gotta keep a little, right. 1 (43m 53s): We just talked about this, we actually just talked about this last week. Like, women are gonna fucking be weird and crazy. Sometimes dudes are gonna be flippant and stupid to forget shit. And that's just the fucking way it is, dude. It's, and if you're, you're the man, you're supposed to be the leader. So if you're the, if you're out sulking because of that shit that just happened, or like, oh, my integrity was fucking question like, shut your fucking cunt mouth. Right. And go back and do your job, asshole. Correct. Like how you expect all this to function properly and you're supposed to be the fucking leader and you're crying in the corner. 2 (44m 22s): We, we have too much access to each other now because of text messaging, social media. You used to be able to just take your phone off the hook and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Mm. And then you have the 24 hours to sit stew process. 3 (44m 34s): Well, not if you're married. Yeah. What if you were married? That wouldn't have applied even back before cell phones. Did, 0 (44m 40s): Did you ever hear John AK talk about how the romcom is responsible for more destruction in relationships than anything else? 1 (44m 48s): No. Explain 0 (44m 48s): That. Great. So John Barki 1 (44m 50s): Is, 'cause I'm just looking for more fuel to not watch romcoms, 2 (44m 54s): By the way. Oh dude. John 0 (44m 55s): Bki is a, he's in the same department that Jordan Peterson is at the University of Toronto, I think. Yeah. And he's so smart. He has a series called The Meaning Crisis. And I just love this guy. And he said the romcom, it came along and it put into the zeitgeist and in our, in, in the western brain, certainly in the American brain especially, that there's the one that the cosmos has found, the one person that is going to complete you. And so this man or this woman that you found is going to play every role, you're putting their friend, their lover, their emotional, you know, stalwart. 0 (45m 39s): They're, they're your sponge. They're your protect. They're, they're everything. And you can't do that. You, you, no, you're not my best friend now. Fuck off. I got my best friends. Rogan had the funniest joke about that. He goes, if you're my best friend, let me fuck other girls. You know, you're not my best friend. 2 (45m 55s): Yeah. YiIVEM, number one to play 0 (45m 55s): Mad girl. You don't say you're my best friend. You're not. All those things. There, there is a separation here, because I can't put all that on you. That's a lot to put on anybody. Let's do the best we can. And this is who I am, and I have my shortcomings and I have my strengths. Boom. What do 3 (46m 11s): You think? Esther Perel talks a lot about that. So when you do that, you lose any kind of mystery in the relationship. Mm. And you need that uncertainty to have chemistry. If I know everything about you and we I like your, my confidant and all of that, then you automatically, you don't wanna sleep with that person. So a lot of women, they don't have female friends and then they're not like sharing stuff with them Yes. Or their moms. And it's like if you have something that's bothering you, you're supposed to go give that to them first. Yes. And then if it's still not settled, then you can bring it to your guy. But if you're constantly bringing everything to him, it's not gonna work pure. Yeah. You want him to show up in every single way, he's going to disappoint you. So it's almost like you are trying to turn your husband into like the best female version of a partner, and then you get mad that he's not masculine and that he's not surprising you. 3 (46m 57s): Right. Do you know what I mean? That's correct. So you can't ate him and then wonder why you guys don't have any chemistry. So, 2 (47m 2s): Yeah, no, I I would argue that this probably comes from Disney before the rom-com. Right. I mean, the, you know, the, the, the prince that was always waiting there, the prince that was promised for you, you know, but that's somewhere along the line, the, the masculine nature of what we're talking about disappeared. Like, it's not Humphrey Bogart, you know, sending you off to get on that plane, babe. Well, 1 (47m 22s): What's the chicken and the egg though, right? Like, 'cause certainly women, the value struggle, and I don't mean ethics, I mean the, the value of Masculinity changes once provide, gets eroded or taken off the table. Right? No question about that. You 3 (47m 36s): Have to evolve it 1 (47m 37s): Though, just certainly, right? So I don't know what the chicken or egg there is. Is it women entering the workforce and not needing men anymore and deciding, I don't have to put up with your side of the bullshit. 'cause now I can cover your half now. 2 (47m 49s): I think, I 1 (47m 49s): Think it's, or is it something else? Right. I don't know if that I, 2 (47m 51s): That can, I think it's more nefarious. I really do. I I think that they, these things that get financed, even dumb ass shit, like lifetime movies. Who, who's the, who's always the bad guy in the lifetime movie? The guy who has a job making a lot of money. He's the boss and he wants you to live in his penthouse. And, but no, you gotta go back home to your, your little, your little town and, and you know, go with the loser who, who decided to become, you know, a, a plumber. But little did you know that he's actually, you know, but I think it's all starting animal sanctuary on the side. 3 (48m 21s): But it's also saying though that money's not enough. And for a long time, that was the only thing that we looked at men for, is like, can you provide a paycheck? And that's also added a detriment to men. 'cause it's saying your only value is so long is that you are a cash cow. Right? Like, you don't have feelings or needs and you're not a whole person. So that's a problem too. Like, you can't just be a paycheck 'cause No, that's not enough. 1 (48m 40s): And also being like, forget about being a paycheck. But the paycheck itself, we talked about this earlier, they're a, a very broad swath. Perhaps a majority of people believe that if I can just get this next thing I'll be now I'll be happy. Right. And it's never fucking true. No, but it's never true. Well, 0 (48m 58s): That's, that's kind of what I said too, is I was, they, they had the camera on me as I was doing my coming up to do this show. And I said, you know, you'd think that this would be the pinnacle. And I'd have be like, I'm done. This is good enough. You gotta have a hole you can't fill as a comic. It's like, it's never enough. Need more, need more next. Now 1 (49m 17s): That's a good lesson though. So, you know, chipper Jones used to talk about something called necessary arrogance, Larry. Yeah. I have to know that I'm better than the other guy. Right. And it's that that's the thing that you keep in your mind to keep your driving forward. There's never, I've never accomplished enough. Right. So how do you map that on to a personal life without becoming pathological about it? Yeah. I want be the best possible man I can be. And I think the best way to think about that is to unpack the reason why the reason that I keep myself in shape and know things and am a good protector. And all this stuff isn't for my own sake. Right? Yeah. Like if you, every meaningful thing you do in life will be in the service of other people. And the the self care that you do, you should do, should be designed towards that. 1 (49m 58s): I couldn't agree more. So, so how do you make yourself, I, I guess how do you map that fucking relentless nature onto being a better husband and 0 (50m 6s): Father and herself? Well, I think first just being aware of, of this, so being aware that what's important to men probably is to be admired and feel significant. And part of that's just 'cause you had a mother who just, you were, you know, who admired you and thought you were great. 2 (50m 20s): I want the effort to be acknowledged. It's very big with me that if I make the effort, I I want it. I don't want it to feel like it's for gr taken for granted. 0 (50m 28s): Yeah. All of that. A hundred percent. But then I think kind of what's cool about being older and, and suffering certain suffering, going through things in life, whatever it might be, whatever chaos hits you enduring is that it forces you then to realize that the things you've been protecting, like this notion of significance or this notion, this need for admiration is all a trap and isn't real. What matters is, is actually burning all that away and doing what you do for its own sake. My only drive a lot of times is original self-expression. 0 (51m 12s): It, it, it, it, it's very nice to be recognized. It's very nice to have people who you also admire who you like, come and see you and give you that validation. It's great. But that has gotta be something that you need to understand is also artificial. You do it for its own sake. The, the Schiller said that man is never more himself than when at play and at play. Not being hookers and an eight ball at play is the thing you would do for its own sake. Mm. The thing you would do for free because it's who you 1 (51m 46s): Are. Yeah. That is something I've been saying recently. I don't know if the quote is good enough, but the, the thing, the part of you that loves the thing you love most in the world is the best part of you. And that's what you should be feeding. Right. 2 (52m 1s): So I wanna circle back real quick because you, you've been in this industry for, you know, a long time. You've seen a long 0 (52m 6s): Time, 2 (52m 7s): Long 0 (52m 7s): Time. 30 years, can 2 (52m 9s): 30 0 (52m 9s): Years. 2 (52m 10s): You know, I'm sure that you've had these doky conversations with Zach Yanaki, you know, and when you were at, you know, live 1 (52m 17s): With the Purple Onion. Yeah, 2 (52m 18s): Exactly. This is so funny. 0 (52m 20s): He's 2 (52m 20s): Yeah's 1 (52m 21s): A retarded person. I like, love him so much. 2 (52m 23s): Well, one of the things that excites me about your, your special is that you're, you're, you're not an industry plant. You're not out there saying some preconceived and paid for narrative. And I think going back to what we talked about before and perhaps the romcom, I I don't think a lot of people realize that things that get on tv, the story, the narrative, it, it's not accidental. There are things that are getting green lit. There are things that are getting financed 1 (52m 49s): Operation Mockingbird that 2 (52m 51s): Have a very, just say it out loud specific perspective. Like 1 (52m 53s): Hollywood has been paid by the agency for about a hundred years now. 2 (52m 58s): And, and what, what, what CIA doesn't do. China does. Yeah. And China has a very specific way they want the American public viewing the American man. I 1 (53m 6s): Mean, you gotta wonder why through the eighties and nineties. So we went from think about the, the father archetype in the 1980s, it was fucking Carl, whatever the fuck wins Winslow Winslow. Yeah. It was Bill Cosby, the character, the character, not the guy. Right? Yep. And then we go to Homer Simpson, the oath, the fucking dipshit. That's who dad is now. 2 (53m 30s): That's all there is now. Yeah. 0 (53m 31s): Yeah. I, but I think, by the way, Zach is so fun. Like, I'll tell you, I'll jump back to that. But Zach, we're shooting Hangover two and there was a scene where the helicopter has to come up and, and it, and the helicopter was, the, the blades were like this close to the building. We're on the highest building in Bangkok. And it's a safety thing. He's like, guys, when the helicopter comes in, it's gonna be very close to make sure we're stepping back and all that and everything else. And, and it's just like, Zach is so funny. Zach is like, any questions? Zach's like, yes. And he's like, yeah. And it's all like, very serious. And he goes, what color is the helicopter? Just stuff like that. Or like, I'm somebody who's like, somebody had a cigarette. 0 (54m 13s): Zach was like, anybody have a lighter? And Zach goes, yeah, I have an app. 1 (54m 17s): Everything 0 (54m 18s): He does is so funny. Everything he does is just fucking, 2 (54m 22s): He's, he's the closest. 0 (54m 24s): He makes me laugh so hard. 2 (54m 25s): He almost made Hillary Clinton seem human, you know, in that between two firms, he's this's the closest she ever came to not be able to lose it. 0 (54m 30s): He's just, he's just funny asleep. But, but back to that, I think though also Hollywood, you know, it, it is just creative people a lot of times. And you know, I, I can tell you that most of the brass in Hollywood is just desperate to make money. Like most of the brass in Hollywood is just about money. They just want to make money. And the what? Everybody's so afraid of losing their jobs. So they go with what's safe, they go with what they think is going to be like what people want. And so then, then actually innovation dies. And when something's a real success, it's an accident. It kind of found its way through by accident. People weren't paying attention. Mm. 0 (55m 11s): And it creeps through like Seinfeld or, or South Park. South Park is so irreverent. It's man, but they make so much money. It's brilliant that the network needs it. Look at Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. Taylor Sheridan made Paramount Plus and he is the anti woke Hollywood mogul. That dude was like, fuck. Corporations, horses, guns. Sicario America. Sicario was unbelievable. Sicario. Yeah. And, and, and guess what? America likes that shit. Yellowstone was not Yellowstone was, was nobody was gonna so popular. Nobody wanted that. Yeah. But let, let me 2 (55m 47s): Push back on you a little bit there, because Arnold Schwarzenegger sold more movie tickets than anybody in history. Yeah. And they, they just stopped making that movie. 0 (55m 56s): No, because they got tired stopped making that genre because they did, because I, 1 (55m 59s): They started to period. That's what the Expendables 0 (56m 1s): Is par of all that else. They, the problem with the eighties, it was very literal. Look. I mean, you had, you had, you had gl Rock, rock or whatever was it called Glam Rock, right? Glam rock, yeah. So guys, we make up 2 (56m 13s): Hairbands 0 (56m 16s): And along comes fucking grunge and, and grunge was just these dudes in flannels and singing from here. Mm. And all of us as Americans went, what the fuck is this? And if you talk to those glam rockers, they were like, I knew my career was over the minute I heard that first album from Nirvana, I knew it was done. Was it Teen Spirit? Yeah. It's like I knew that we were done because I couldn't do that. Mm. And I hadn't heard that sound. So 1 (56m 45s): A lot of times I think smells like Teen Spirit and 10 by Pearl Jam came out in 91, same year. There you 0 (56m 50s): Go. There you go. That's over. And it was just new. Mm. It was like, so, so, so The Zeppelin comes along, fucking high math, astonishing high voice. Like, what the fuck is going on with Zeppelin? Still amazing. Fuck all you guys Zeppelin wins. Okay. Fucking astonishing. Still Cashmere. Are you tired of that song? Fucking Impossible To be tired of Fucking get an in to get an in. Anyway, that fucking sound. Robert Plant John Paul Jones, the Giant in the Shadows Jimmy Page, fucking John Bonham. Everybody after that glam rock was trying to copy those motherfuckers. 0 (57m 33s): It just, everybody wanted to be that. Just like when Nirvana, and I think just sometimes art, art is part of a zeitgeist and it just changes and shit. Go. We've heard it after a while, it's like, heard that sound next. 1 (57m 47s): Well that's what that way Well that's what happens though. Right. And right now we're in this period, not just comedy, but film as well. We're in this period of no creativity and a lot of recycled ip. That's what happened to some degree with the glam rock stage. And now what's grunge? What's coming next? That's right. Like, I mean, do you have any thoughts on that? What, what what might be coming down the pipe in entertainment that's different than what's been, well, is anybody gonna take any fucking chances anymore? 0 (58m 11s): Well, so I, I think that, you know, I was very, I was very aware that in my 70 minutes of storytelling, very few people were gonna sit through all of that. They're not gonna do that online. Mm. We live in a time where we consume anything like candy. So it's really not about the theme of the album. Nobody's reading novels. It's about this sort of like this, this, this temporary dopamine hit I think that has a shelf life. I think people start to realize this is leaving me empty. I feel burnt. 1 (58m 48s): I mean, we've experienced it in some ways already. Right. Already. We, we went from the bar to the mixologist and 0 (58m 53s): Back. Yes, dude. And so Exactly. And so I think craft story, patience, letting something unfold, something that took time that a human being took the time to see if you can, if you can replicate good vegetable, tanned, leather and fur. 1 (59m 15s): Yeah. You can't make stuff again. Yeah. You can't. 0 (59m 18s): She 1 (59m 18s): Was just talking about that earlier day. Nobody knows how to make any, create anything. Yeah. Mastery is gone. Yeah. It's mastery Gone. And you think about it when it comes to entertainment, that's how it fucking started. And the, I'm, and I'm talking about the media age, the thing that made Louis Lamore and Tolkien and CS Lewis famous was serialized chapter by chapter readings on fucking AM radio week to week in the 1930s 0 (59m 42s): Near Christianity. Yeah. That was CS Lewis, the dude. I fucking, I love you. Mm. 2 (59m 47s): The 0 (59m 47s): Fucking love that. You know, CS Lewis fucking, 1 (59m 50s): He knows everything. Well, the best book he wrote was probably A Grief Observed and is about him dealing with his wife's cancer. I'd never 0 (59m 55s): Read that. I read You should check it out. You ever read the screw tape letters? 1 (59m 57s): Oh yeah. Screw Tape Letters is the smartest treaties on human psychology I've ever read. Fuck dude. It's sold. Brilliant 0 (1h 0m 3s): Dude. Dan Hollaway, ladies and 1 (1h 0m 5s): Gentlemen, the general premises, 2 (1h 0m 6s): If you don't know what screw tape is, check it out. You'll love, 1 (1h 0m 8s): It's great. It's great. Yeah. It's like a, an Uncle Demon. And Hal 0 (1h 0m 11s): And John Cleese actually does the audio book. He's 1 (1h 0m 14s): Great. Great crush. Super cool. Yeah, dude, come on. It might be, it actually might be free on Audible now. I think it's probably free by now. 2 (1h 0m 21s): Good. So good. Wait, tell me about what 0 (1h 0m 24s): About his observations of his wife with cancer? 1 (1h 0m 25s): Yeah. It's called a grief observed and it's about his own grief as his wife was dying of cancer. Wow. 0 (1h 0m 30s): Yeah. I gotta read that. 1 (1h 0m 31s): And it's CS Lewis, like one of the best thinkers of the 21st century. Truly man. 0 (1h 0m 36s): Yeah. 1 (1h 0m 37s): Truly. 2 (1h 0m 37s): But I I, I think this idea again, right. Of who's gonna do it and how it's gonna be done. You talked about leadership before. I see so much, especially if you wanna call it the conservative side, the libertarian side, whatever it is. So much bitching about the liberal left leftist, Hollywood, liberal, le blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When Zach Levy came out and said, Zach 1 (1h 1m 1s): Levi, 2 (1h 1m 2s): The actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he came out and he said, look, I'm voting for Trump and I know I'm probably never gonna work again. And he got like 14,000 comments on that ex post. And not a single person disagreed with him. And I, and it was all like, oh, the, the, the, the Hollywood left this and that. And I was like, we got a lot of money, man. This is our fault. Agree. 1 (1h 1m 21s): But look how, but look how long it took. Like Sheldon Adelson. Well, let's map it onto politics. Sheldon Adelson definitely has been giving money to the Republicans for a long time, but nothing close to what George Soros, who's not even a goddamn real American, has done Right. And it took the world almost ending in 2024. Literally. If, if, and I, this is, I don't give two fucks about Trump or any politician to be frank. Right? But if the Democrats and Kamala Harris had won the selection, we 2 (1h 1m 47s): The 1 (1h 1m 47s): Machine, we would be living in a different world today. Percent Elon, I, Elon still censors on behalf of India and China and Turkey and I don't appreciate it. But the fact that he bought Twitter changed the fucking world. Right? Yeah. But it took all of that, it took the world almost ending. And finally one billionaire with some fucking sense is like, no, we gotta do something. Yeah. 2 (1h 2m 5s): I don't know if the too close they're ROI oriented or, or if they just don't understand, 1 (1h 2m 9s): I don't care. Augusta, Caesar wasn't a good man. He aligned his ego with the fucking best possible outcome for Rome. And that's what a good fucking leader does. We don't need a nice guy to be president. We need a guy who says, you know what, I'm American and fuck everybody else. 2 (1h 2m 23s): No, I agree with you. What I, what I do think though is for whatever reason, the the conservative side, let's just call it 1 (1h 2m 28s): For simplicity's sake, 2 (1h 2m 29s): They don't appreciate narrative. They don't appreciate storytelling. They don't compete in the culture for 30 years. Punted on education, punted on television. Oh yeah. Punted on radio. Matthew punted on music, 1 (1h 2m 39s): Bitches about this constantly on Twitter. But that, and so do a lot of people, 2 (1h 2m 42s): Fucking people. And I like Matt a lot, then goes and wants to pitch a hundred million dollar movie. Like, you don't need to do that. And I'm trying to explain to him like, we need to make Tommy Boy, Tommy boy, nobody thinks of Tommy Boy as any sort of political movie. There's no movie that instills American values subliminally in a younger generation like a Tommy boy, Ken. I mean, what is the movie? The movie is a lovable loser. Right. Who goes on a literal journey of self-discovery, learns that hard work, fellowship partnership, you know, rises to the occasion, saves his dad's company, gets the girl That's America, man. Yeah. People. And that's, but all anybody want, if you ask anybody like, what'd you think of that treatise on the American values is like fat guy, you know, little. 2 (1h 3m 23s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the art of it. Mm. Yeah. That's the subtlety of it. And we don't have anything like that. We have podcasts that we got like, fucking more people are gonna get what America is out of 90 minutes of Tommy Boy than a fucking century of Sean Hannity and trying to get somebody to make that such a good point, man. It's insane. 0 (1h 3m 39s): You're so right. You're right too. Those nineties comedies are not made anymore. Mm. You know, and, and I think again, that that creates a vacuum that creates an opportunity to make a nineties movie again. 2 (1h 3m 50s): And nobody, nobody is gonna watch Your kid is never gonna get on. Your kids are not gonna get on. 3 (1h 3m 56s): But don't you think the issue though is with those not being made is the left doesn't wanna make it because they don't wanna offend anybody. Right. And they'll all get canceled, but the right doesn't wanna make it because so many of them are so uptight. So there, 0 (1h 4m 6s): Yes. But again, this is changing. So Hollywood quietly fired all their DEI people a year ago. Yeah, yeah. Is that 2 (1h 4m 12s): Right? 0 (1h 4m 12s): Yes. All of them are gone. And it's just because Hollywood is, they, they pray to the great God of money. Mm. If it ain't making money, I promise you it took 2 (1h 4m 21s): 'em a long time. Yeah, 0 (1h 4m 22s): It always does. But, but you know, Hollywood respond 1 (1h 4m 24s): Well that's because they were being subsidized. Sorry, China, they weren't losing money that whole time. They were being subsidized by Chinese theaters. Four of the five studios are owned at least partially by China superhero movie cell. 0 (1h 4m 34s): So, well you, you know, you see this with, with media. So the Washington Post lost half their readership in four years. They lost $70 million last year. I think they're on track to do the same this year. Bezos was like, listen, I bought this for my daughter and you guys gotta wake up. Okay. The guy who owns the LA Times fired the entire editorial board, which is beautiful, you know, so the C-N-N-C-N-N is an M-S-N-B-C, they make money not off advertisers, they make money off the cable carriage fees. Okay. That's how they make money. Is that right? Those contracts are up in about a year. Oh boy. And this is a, I'm telling you when I say that they're in crisis, you have no idea. 0 (1h 5m 15s): It's not, you're not alone in your contempt. You're not alone in the fact that you know that CNN or M-S-N-B-C, they don't live in the real Joy Reed doesn't live in the real world. They are in, they are sitting back and they've been so removed that all they do is deconstruct. And they have this strange, 1 (1h 5m 38s): It's, it's nihilism. Brian is what 0 (1h 5m 40s): It's it's also Yeah. And it's, it's nihilism and a virtual understanding of the world. It's this virtual reality thing. The rest of us are living in this world. We're trying to make a living and raising kids and contending and, and are, one of the great privileges of being a standup comic is my audience. I know what they laugh at. And a lot of them are blue collar, middle class people, and they're Americans. They're, and by the way, different colors, different creeds, different interests. You know, and so that's, that's where you start to realize that what you're seeing in the news and what they're saying doesn't reflect reality. 0 (1h 6m 21s): None of us, what 1 (1h 6m 23s): Are you talking about? The, the emperor's new clothes ended a very specific way, and it wasn't with the emperor continuing to be naked. Right. Like at some point people wake the fuck up, even if it's a little kid that's like, and maybe that's what, maybe that's what this was. Maybe it was because I don't know if you've tracked on any of this, but the younger generation, they're not fucking liberals anymore. 2 (1h 6m 48s): No. And and it's, it's, you know what I mean? It's not, but it's anti-establishment. It's almost like we have a an immune system response to inauthenticity. Yeah. And I think that that's what Democrats have learned. 1 (1h 6m 59s): I think they could have gotten away with everything else. All the censorship, all of it. Yeah. If they didn't tell people that couldn't afford to put food on their table that they could Well, I think they could have gotten away 2 (1h 7m 7s): Away with so many people. Hit me up all the time. And, and then I get this more than anything else. When are you gonna have an opposing viewpoint on when are you gonna have a Democrat on that? And I'd say I've invited them all. 0 (1h 7m 14s): Me too. Me too. I 2 (1h 7m 16s): I, I offered Yaba bla 10 grand to come on the show. Yeah. Nothing. 0 (1h 7m 21s): No, no, no. They're afraid 2 (1h 7m 22s): They, because they know they're full of shit. I know. They know it's a grif. 0 (1h 7m 26s): Well, I, I iram kendi that, that fraud. I read his book How to Be An Anti-Racist. I, I, I read Robin DeAngelo's. What 1 (1h 7m 35s): Fucking was it? Anti-Racist Baby is another one you 2 (1h 7m 37s): Wrote. They are theistic that there was written at a third grade reading level. Oh 0 (1h 7m 41s): My God. Iram Kendi. That that fraud. That guy. Guy X Yeah. That fucking dude who makes so much money telling corporations how to be less rich. I mean, racist. He's so, he will not, he will not his ideas in any arena. No. He just sits there with and, and surrounded by these fucking the same kind of people. This again, this echo chamber 1 (1h 8m 3s): Pluckings of fans. 0 (1h 8m 4s): They're like, they're like domestic. 2 (1h 8m 7s): I really think there's a sexuality to it. I really do. We kind of talked about this before, but there's, 0 (1h 8m 11s): He's not, he's just pathetic. 2 (1h 8m 13s): I really think it's like I have, I've been a bad colonizer. You've been a bad colonizer. Tell me. I've been a bad colonizer again. 0 (1h 8m 18s): Daddy. You're so right, dude. There's 2 (1h 8m 20s): A sexuality to it, so, right. There's, there's, you're 0 (1h 8m 22s): So right. I wanna be on my knees. Yeah. Feed me bomb 1 (1h 8m 26s): Bombs. Well, makes squat because all this 2 (1h 8m 27s): Feet bitch face 1 (1h 8m 29s): All 0 (1h 8m 29s): This. You're so fucking right, 2 (1h 8m 30s): Dude. It's, it's this 0 (1h 8m 31s): Robin D'Angelo too. Oh my God. 2 (1h 8m 33s): And I, and I realized that she's, I was dating this girl in Brooklyn and, and we were in the throes of the pandemic and, and they were yo-yoing us. And you know, they were like, we're we're gonna release, we're gonna release you guys. We're gonna let you guys outta the prison in two weeks if everybody's good and wears their mask. And then we got, like with Bill de Blassio, who by the way, is one of the worst human beings that ever walked the 0 (1h 8m 52s): Face of the planet. The most arrogant, one of the most arrogant fucking the frauds in the world. 2 (1h 8m 58s): The fact he's on MSN BBC tells you all you like, the guy should be in jail. He made a billion dollars disappear like fucking copper 1 (1h 9m 5s): Wife. It shows you exactly what a weak man in a position of power is capable of. That 2 (1h 9m 9s): His real name by the way, Warren. And that weird Yeah, it's very weird. He thought it was too white. So we went with Bill de Blassio. I 0 (1h 9m 15s): Thought it was too Jewish, I 2 (1h 9m 16s): Think. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. So 1 (1h 9m 17s): He went with, well, okay, that happens. The business, doesn't it? 2 (1h 9m 20s): So I'm with her and we have plans to go out. We had, you know, we've been locked down. Right. And people that had different locked down experiences. My New Jersey, New York lockdown experience was insane. And I'll never get over it. And I want people, I want accountability. There's no stopping talking about it. I still talk about it in my set. I will talk about it until there's accountability. Like the fact that everybody, you know, I'm doing the Trump weave right now, but the fact that everybody's just like, oh, well, you know, mistakes were made, you know, and that No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1 (1h 9m 49s): No, no, no, no, no. 2 (1h 9m 51s): You need to acknowledge what you did. Mm. Otherwise I can never trust you ever again. We need you a threat to my very wellbeing. We, 1 (1h 9m 56s): We need church hearings on this. A hundred percent. 2 (1h 9m 58s): Yeah. There needs to be, I mean, people have to end their lives in prison because of what they did. They have to be there forever. Right. So we're going, we're we're supposed to go up state, we're supposed to go like apple picking outside or something like that. Right. And then when I go to pick her up and bring her, she's like, there's a march today now. She was nuts. Made me wear a mask in bed whole the, I swear, God, 1 (1h 10m 23s): I'm sorry. Can we get a fucking recap of this? Yeah, yeah. Please. This is so 0 (1h 10m 27s): Hot. Lemme get my hand in my 2 (1h 10m 29s): Pants. First year, first year we were seeing each other. Not once 1 (1h 10m 31s): Did you wear a mask and too, or 2 (1h 10m 33s): Was the first year we were together. Not once this dirty bitch asked me to put on a condom. But Joey Reed says I'm a super spreader. So, and here I am pumping away in my N95. So fucking 1 (1h 10m 42s): That's good. Cardio it 2 (1h 10m 43s): To be fair. Gotta mix it in somewhere. 1 (1h 10m 45s): Yeah. So 2 (1h 10m 46s): She's like, we gotta go to the march. And I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Right? Like, this is our, you know, your first day out and we first day, first day out of fucking of summer, and you wanna go to the march. It was some black trans march outside the Brooklyn Museum. And then I'm like, we're not fucking, we're gonna be around everybody after like, what are you talking about? We can do anything but this and choose anything, but we're not doing this. And then she looks at me and she goes, these people need our help. And I'm looking at her and I'm like, you're fucking 30 years old. You live with five other people in Bushwick. Like somebody should be marching for you. You know, 0 (1h 11m 20s): The, the well this is, this is where the 2 (1h 11m 21s): White and that's what it was. Yeah. I saw it in her face and I saw it in her eyes. And I was like, oh my God. This is about, you need to feel superior. That's 0 (1h 11m 29s): Right. I'm a white, I'm the good white. Mm. And I have to protect the voiceless and the powerless. The browns, the blacks. Yeah. The indigenous from the bad whites. 1 (1h 11m 36s): What's either that or 0 (1h 11m 37s): It's, that's, that's my job. That's why I was saying it's about saving lives. 1 (1h 11m 39s): Yeah. Yeah. It's e well it's either that or it's oppression. Fomo. Right? Like now that we've transitioned from an honor based currency to a social victim currency, of course now that if you, you have it, and I don't, it's exactly what you said yesterday, Grifters, I'm, I'm white and I can be the victim. Now. Finally, Grifters. And that's what Antifa is. There 0 (1h 11m 57s): Are grifters in every society. 1 (1h 11m 58s): It's so fucking social capital, fucking 0 (1h 11m 60s): Stupid. You can be a minority 1 (1h 12m 1s): Jesus Christ, man. It's like the lowest frequency kind of communication that you can possibly imagine. 2 (1h 12m 6s): But again, I I, I go back to that's to our fault. Right. And, and going back to and, and a and a big through line, through your special, and again, when, when it comes out on Netflix, you guys have to see this. It was phenomenal. Phenomenal thought provoking. Brilliant, but also silly and entertaining. It, it, it, it was a masterpiece. It really was. Thank you. And the through line of that is the doom scrolling social media, dopamine addicted crowd. Right. And I say this, as much as I may hate that it's a truth, and it's a reality of our present and our future. And your kids are gonna spend their life on a screen. No, sir. And well, their friends are gonna, generations are gonna, and unless we recognize that and compete in that space, they're gonna be watching something. 2 (1h 12m 54s): It's gonna be somebody's message, it's gonna be somebody's story. And they're gonna be taking that and they're gonna be internalizing that. And we can invest all we want into another fucking news media. 0 (1h 13m 6s): I think you're, you're so right though, dude. It's, it rests on us. We have, people are making fun of like, they're complaining about the politicians in Los Angeles. You voted 'em in. Yeah. So that's not in la that's on the voters. Like if you want better people besides Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom vote, they 1 (1h 13m 21s): Did vote. And you can't, if it wasn't fraud, you can't, you can't expect to be competitive in any arena if you are going to be a Luddite. Right. If you're gonna reject modernity, whatever it happens to be. If you're still trying to build a better bow and arrow, once gunpowder comes out, you're fucking retarded. That's right. And you're gonna die. 2 (1h 13m 36s): But they're gonna be watching the office for the next 500 years. 1 (1h 13m 38s): Hey, the office is dope. So 2 (1h 13m 40s): I'm good with that. We 1 (1h 13m 40s): Need to, I mean, Jim and Pam are horrible 2 (1h 13m 42s): Games, but we're gonna news NEWSMAX three next and we're gonna invest in that. Nobody, nobody's watching. Yeah. You know, and we can make fun of the, the superhero movies all we want. They're gonna watch, watch the movies 0 (1h 13m 51s): The next until we start taking control of the narrative and telling stories. 2 (1h 13m 53s): Correct. Yeah. 1 (1h 13m 54s): I think you're right. There's, there's a big push recently though. So we essentially have toppled legacy media through with a bunch of fucking crackers and podcasts. Right. That's very true. A bunch of white bearded dudes of podcasts have decided to just overthrow the media and it worked pretty goddamn effectively. Right. Truth, 2 (1h 14m 9s): Truth is, is it turns out truth is popular. 1 (1h 14m 11s): Yeah. And it's, it's like we, we need to start the long form discussion insulated us from some of this bite-size data that we've gotten used to, I think. Right. Like the exposure of JD Vance to people, this weird narrative. And then you see him talking, you're like, he's not weird. It's so, it is 0 (1h 14m 27s): So 1 (1h 14m 28s): Annoying. Like he, I might not like him, but he's not weird. It's 0 (1h 14m 29s): So annoying. Like you guys are trying to push weird. Yeah. And joy. Yeah. And vibes the fuck off, dude. Like you are so condescending. Spent 2 (1h 14m 36s): A billion dollars Yeah. 1 (1h 14m 37s): Up 2 (1h 14m 38s): Condescend up with the messaging that came up with weird. But 0 (1h 14m 39s): They're so not creative and Trump's a fascist. That's the best you 1 (1h 14m 43s): Can do. It's so silly. Like all the fucking classic liberal dudes and media, Charlemagne, Stephen A. Smith, all these guys that have been outspoken, they're like, he's not racist and he's not fascist. What the fuck are you guys talking about? 0 (1h 14m 55s): But you need ra you need old fashioned liberals. You need I love divided government. I want opposing points of view, 1 (1h 15m 1s): Separation of powers. That's Montes. 2 (1h 15m 3s): Yeah. I don't want people become more Republican. I want the Democrats to, to be, I want become 0 (1h 15m 7s): Americans again. Want Yeah. I want I want both sides, but talk to each other. Yeah. Let's, let's 1 (1h 15m 12s): Hash it out. But we, we do, we also need to understand that like you under, there are first principles and times and circumstances will change. We have to apply these for like, how does this apply now? And that's one of the challenges, right. That we have. That's why the Constitution was left open for amendments, frankly. Right. Like this idea that it's a dead document is not true. 'cause it's been amended 27 fucking times Asshole 2 (1h 15m 34s): And, and nullified by the Petre act. Yeah. Yeah. So to some, to some degree. Right. 0 (1h 15m 38s): What's revisit, you guys are having this conversation because it, it starts also with understanding what got us here. Yeah. It starts by understanding like that the founding fathers solved the political problem in many ways. And, and, and understanding that exactly what it took. The intellectual architecture and the debate Yeah. That got us here. And how lucky we are. I 1 (1h 16m 2s): Mean, if you could create a machine that fixed itself Yeah. You would, you would end a lot of suffering for a lot of people. And that is what the US Constitution was meant to do. The problem is we've decided to change the way we progress. And it's certainly, we're in a microwave culture now, but we used to progress slowly over time. And there's this, it's true in computer security, you can have speed and you can have uptime. Right? Like the amount that it's available and you can have costs. You can't, or security and uptime and cost. You can't have all three. You can have two of those three things. Right. You can have speed and security. Right. But it's gonna cost you a fuck load of money. You can have speed and low cost, but it's gonna, there's gonna be some holes in it. 1 (1h 16m 43s): The faster you move forward, the more mistakes will be made. And it's a, that's a tough sell for whomever's getting fucked with right now. That's a tough sell. 0 (1h 16m 52s): I'm glad you closed a knife. I thought you were gonna open us all up. I thought you were gonna bleed all of us. I might 2 (1h 16m 57s): Circling back to you. The, you, so you think that you're gonna, you're gonna be able to keep your kids off of screens? 3 (1h 17m 2s): No, it's so it's not, they are not like weird screen free kids, but it's teaching them how to self moderate everything. So we will give him, like, my oldest is five. We'll give him an iPad, but he now turns it off on his own. He'll be like, I don't want crazy brains. He realizes that if I'm scrolling on this, there's a consequence and I don't like how I feel. I don't like how I behave around everyone else. And same with candy. Like he doesn't eat it. When if he does, he eats it sparingly. He does it. He'll go to a birthday party and not eat cake. He's like, I don't want that sugar today. Wow. And he's five. Wow. And I don't do it shame based 'cause you know, that's like not my thing, but it's just teaching you to be so in tuned with yourself and that everything does have an a cost and a cost. 3 (1h 17m 43s): Right. Yeah. And if you're willing to pay that or not. So I think that the parents that are like, no, no screens whatsoever, you're setting them up for failure. I 1 (1h 17m 50s): Agree. That's, that never works. It won't work. Absolutely. It never works. No, it doesn't work in sex education. It didn't work in prohibition. No, it doesn't work in recovery in my opinion. I like if you're, so this is like, if someone has such a hold on you that you can't look at it, then you're fucked, dude. 0 (1h 18m 3s): Well this is like when I bought a gun and I said to the gun, the dealer, I said, I need a good safety and all that for my kids. Mm. And he goes, you can do all that, but education Yeah. Is what you want. Yeah. You want your kids to understand guns, the relationship 1 (1h 18m 17s): Guns, but drawing that straight line from action to consequence as early as possible has gotta be the most important thing you offer. Teach your kid. Right. Because that, for me, learning that as a kid was important. Like certainly in growing up. And when, when I got into the military, it became the, the, the part of it that got added was being responsible for other people. Like I played team sports in high school and shit. And certainly I understood the idea of being on a team, but having adult human beings that relied on me for their safety was something new for me. Yeah. As a, as a somebody in their early twenties. That's new for anybody, I think. Right. And it added a, it, that's when it clicked for me before I was doing it on autopilot. 1 (1h 18m 59s): That's when it clicked. I'm like, oh shit. If you can draw a straight line from action to consequence, then you can, you can turn almost anybody into a functioning adult frankly. Right. Because everybody's got stuff that they want, desires, whatever the fuck. Hope dreams. Yeah. And it'd be like, Hey, this is how you do this and if you fuck up, this is gonna happen. It won't be the end of the world. Right. Then you can take measured risk and get to where you're trying to go. Right. But if, like she's saying, if you just like put 'em out in pasture somewhere, as soon as they get exposed. We saw this recently, I don't know if you've heard this story, but North Korea sent some troops over to the, to, to help Russia. 1 (1h 19m 39s): Yeah. I read about it this morning and they got fucking iPads. You know what they did? They fucking started looking at porn and they got addicted and they had to pull them back to North Korea. Damn. Because they were addicted to pornography in a fucking combat zone. Dude, that's 0 (1h 19m 54s): Crazy. Some you seen it. These are like 1 (1h 19m 56s): Adults. These are adult warriors. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm getting like, I don't know what level of training North Korea gets. I it's, it can't be great 'cause they're fucking retarded up there. But the, the government, I mean, well 0 (1h 20m 5s): These are the special crack unit forces. 1 (1h 20m 8s): Yeah. They get 2 (1h 20m 8s): Two bags. 1 (1h 20m 10s): But still it is a, a regimented unit. Right. They are disciplined and if anything, they're disciplined 0 (1h 20m 16s): And fanatically devoted to 1 (1h 20m 18s): The deer they fanatically devoted. But is all it to, all it took was a nipple. Dude 2 (1h 20m 23s): Up. 0 (1h 20m 24s): I gotta just make sure I'm, I gotta run boys. This has been awesome. Yeah. I gotta I have a, I have to go because I have to go right? Roll. Yeah. 2 (1h 20m 32s): Lemme wrap it up. Yeah. 0 (1h 20m 34s): Gimme, 2 (1h 20m 35s): So tell, so call, tell people what's next where they can find 0 (1h 20m 38s): You. I'm gonna be, I'll be in Minnesota at the House of Comedy February 13, 14, 15. Then in Miami, Doral, the 20th, 21 and 22 doing standup. And I'm gonna be, it's now we begin the process of writing new shit and that should be painful. But other than that man, I'm just happy to be here and I love talking to you guys. 2 (1h 21m 3s): Dude. Can't thank you enough for making time, man. Really, really 0 (1h 21m 6s): Appreciate Brother. Can we do this? Appreciate, can talk about this for you guys. I mean this is important conversation, so 2 (1h 21m 11s): Well maybe when you're down in Miami, come 0 (1h 21m 13s): Know. Yeah, I just have, I have to get to my kung fu class. I can't, Sundays are gotta it kung fu days and then I have my step class. It's how I keep my body. 1 (1h 21m 20s): What about what's 2 (1h 21m 21s): It's, it's working. So just keep Yeah, 1 (1h 21m 23s): Keep it up. And the back flip is coming along. The 0 (1h 21m 25s): Back flip is coming along so well. You guys, I can really pop it. It's good. 1 (1h 21m 30s): It's about the tuck as you said. 0 (1h 21m 31s): It's all about the tuck. It's really about acrobatics guys. It's about aerial awareness. And 2 (1h 21m 36s): That's And follow. Follow. Dan Hollaway on the Citizen Podcast. Drinking Bros. Drink hard af seltzer. Candace, any final words? No, thanks for coming. This 0 (1h 21m 46s): Is great. Thanks for having me. 2 (1h 21m 47s): Alright guys. Appreciate it Mr. Gerard. Michaels at Gerard Versus Evil. We'll see you guys next time. In peace.