#94 Justin Breen - Are you a Visionary?

0 (0s): A, true visionary will take action. see what happens with the idea. And maybe it's the right time, maybe it isn't. But a true Visionary will, will do it. They will do it. The Businessowner, the Businessowner, the human, the consultant will wait on it 15 years. Ready, aim, aim, aim, aim. And then they, nothing will ever get fired. And then those are those, you know, nothing ever happens. The Visionary will fire for the most part. Fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, aim, no aiming, maybe ready. And that's what, and then that's the only way to actually learn something, is to see what happens. 2 (44s): Hello everybody. You are listening to Chatting with Candace. I'm your host, Candice Horbacz, or we come into the episode. I'm gonna give you your weekly reminder to make sure you hit that like and subscribe button so you don't miss a single episode. And that you can also help us with the algorithm, help us with charting. And if you have not left a five star review to do that either now or at the end of the episode, you can do it more than once. And that also helps us out more than you know. If you wanna support the podcast, you can check out our sponsors and affiliates below, or you can go to Chatting with candace.com and click that little link that says, buy me coffee, or sign up for our Patreon account. This week we have Justin Breen joining the podcast. Justin is an international bestselling author, his most recent book, Epic Life, how to Build a Collaborative Global Company While Putting Your Loved Ones First. 2 (1m 32s): What an incredible mission. He has one of the most fascinating brains of anyone that I've ever met. My husband and I connected us, and I'm so glad that he did. This episode is not gonna disappoint, so please help me welcome Justin Breen. Justin, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. I am so excited to talk to you. When we first got connected through my husband, I was like, I dunno why, what he's gonna find curious about me. Like, he goes to all of these entrepreneur conventions and he is talking about moonshots and how to change the world. And I took a whole bunch of personality tests, or I guess we took Kolbe and a couple others, and you're like, oh my gosh, you're a Visionary. 2 (2m 15s): And my husband and I were both shocked. But I, after our talk, I realized how unique I think your perspective is on people and relationships. And I love the mission of the new book. So, I mean, let's just jump into it. Welcome to the show. 0 (2m 32s): Yeah, this'll be a fascinating conversation. Really wanted to thank you for recommending Outwitting, the Devil, the Napoleon Hill book. I've listened to that. And Reddit, which I, I don't think I've ever done that with any other book, and it's just a fascinating, besides Man's Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, I'd say it's my favorite book of all time. I mean, there's so many lessons in that, but, so thank you for recommending that. 2 (2m 58s): What was your favorite part of Outwitting? the Devil? 0 (3m 2s): Wow. Well, simplify. We're both simplifiers. I think that most of the world, most Humans, they're drifters, they're drifting around letting fear get in the way. And then visionaries, visionaries who are changing the world. They're not letting fear get in the way, and they're not drifting. They're focused on creating true value and purpose. And to dovetail that, Napoleon Hill says it's two out of a hundred that are not controlled by the Devil, or controlled by fear, or controlled by drifting. I think it's far less than two out of a hundred. 0 (3m 42s): I'd say it's one outta a thousand. Wow. That are truly, yeah. 'cause our, our companies focus on visionaries who live in abundance and who look at things as investments, not costs. I'd say that's one out of a thousand. But that, you know, most folks live in, they live in scarcity, not abundance. And so one out of a thousand, if there are 8 billion people, that there's eight, there are 8 million, I'd say there's 8 million folks like us. And then they create everything that helps everyone else. Yeah, yeah. 2 (4m 13s): I, I wonder if it's gotten worse with technology and kind of like the world seeming smaller and we have the development of AI and maybe lack of purpose. And if that's creating more drifters and more fear and more hesitation. 0 (4m 29s): Fascinating. That's a fascinating perspective. I think Covid and and technology have shortcutted shortcutted the ability, like, how are we talking right now? But I, I strongly feel you're either born like this or you're not. I think most people would choose to be born like this, but they're not, you know, they're not born like that. But if you are born like that, you can work on your mindset, mindset every single day and then attract more people with that mindset. But people like us are usually aliens within their own family, community, and verticals. The only people that understand us are top entrepreneurs on planet. 0 (5m 12s): I, I would say technology has brought those aliens closer together. But I think you're either born an Alien or you're not. 2 (5m 19s): So can you get closer to it or can you learn to mimic it? And then what role, I guess, does like plasticity play into any of it? Tremendous. 0 (5m 30s): That's just, that's okay. So here, wow, that's, that's, that's a high level, that's a high level follow up question. So where I think you can learn, you can learn is being around people like us, but most people aren't. They're not like us. So I'll give you an example. So like, I was always talking like this. I mean, I was al I was always talking like this, just for most of my life, people didn't understand what I was talking about, and I didn't understand what they were complaining about or why they were drifting. I had no, or what, why they were letting fear get in the way. So understanding that the only people who understood what I was talking about were top entrepreneurs, visionaries on planet. 0 (6m 13s): That took most of my life to figure that out. But once I found them, it two becomes four, four becomes eight, eight becomes a hundred, a hundred becomes a thousand. Like, there's, there are no limits to that. Well, I guess maybe 8 million. But to me, that's really, no, that's really no limits. But no, I, I strongly feel, I strongly feel like you're either born like this or not. Like I think most people would, I think most people would choose to make as much money as you want to hang out with, you know, family and loved ones. Do what you like to do and what you're good at. But there are four things for my, my brain turns everything into patterns, but everything, all I do is talk to people like us and turn it into patterns. 0 (6m 53s): But there are four things that separate people like us from people who aren't like us. Four things are bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy, two depression, three highest level of anxiety you can imagine. And four likely and or possible traumatic experiences as a child or young adult. So the drifters, the ones who let fear get in the way, they're, those four things are excuses. And then people like us, you know, figure it out. I mean, that's what it, that's what entrepreneur, Visionary, non drifter life is really about. So I think you're either born with the, the coping skills to overcome those things where you're not. 2 (7m 33s): And then for the people that are born with them, I guess, is it easier for them to undo? So let's say you have an immense amount of childhood trauma, and then that can kind of mimic a scarcity mindset. So let's say you are a Visionary, but it's being clouded by something that hasn't been broken through yet. So is that that easier to break through when you do have the proclivity for Resilience versus someone who doesn't have the Resilience Gene? 'cause some people say that there is a Gene for Resilience. 0 (8m 3s): They're a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. The, well, Dr. Doug Brackman, who wrote the book Driven, that's one of the assessments I sent you, but he wrote a, he wrote literally that book about how there's a, you know, the driven brain, that type of genetic brain. He says it's 10% of the population. Again, I feel it's far less than that. and maybe it is 10% that have some of the genes. But like people like us, it's far less than one out of 10. I mean, one out of 10 Humans are not like us. There's no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But, but so they, they have the Gene. But here, here's again what I've seen. So all I do literally is talk to visionaries. That one out of a thousand, it wasn't always that way, but it is now. 0 (8m 46s): And then I hear blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and simplify it into patterns. So where I, what I see your question turning into is that entrepreneurs are the most damaged people with the best coping skills, the most damaged the most of those, all four of those four things, the most trauma, bankruptcy, potential bankruptcy, depression, anxiety. But then the coping skills, they have the highest IQ, the highest EQ, the most courage. And then where I see what I see, many of them, not all, but many of them, what I see them do is they create massive company, massive wealth, massive amount of cars, massive amount of employee, massive travel around the world. 0 (9m 27s): And then many times, not always, but many times at the expense of family time, having a family, meaningful relationships, living in, living in purpose. And so that's why that, that's literally why I wrote Epic Life. It's about how to build collaborative global companies while putting your loved ones first. So I think that's what people like us want. They just, they're so damaged many times they, they bypass family or, or meaning to create massive company wealth. I mean, that's what I see over and over and over and over and over. 2 (9m 57s): There's that quote that, that's great. Men are usually are, are Rarely, great Fathers. And it's a devastating quote when I hear that. The worst, 0 (10m 9s): The worst thing I've ever heard. That's the worst thing. 2 (10m 11s): Yeah. It's, it, I understand. 0 (10m 13s): That's the worst thing I've ever heard. That's, that makes me sick to hear that sick. 2 (10m 18s): Yeah. And I heard it on like, Rogan was talking about it on a podcast ages ago, and they were using Biden as an example. 'cause obviously, you know, he's president of the country. He's been politic, like, had a very successful political career for majority of his life. And you see kind of the, the issues with his son and like that relationship. So his son is obviously like lacking. Like there's something hap that wasn't given to him in his childhood. 'cause you don't end up with like addiction and all of those kind of issues because you had a lovey-dovey childhood or you had a great role model or you know, parents were there for you, all of that. So how, how do you create global companies while still putting your family first? 2 (10m 60s): Because I think we were raised on this idea that you ha it's a payoff. Like you have to sacrifice exactly for your family. And then what ends up happening is you sacrifice your family, right? 0 (11m 11s): So we just, we just said the same, we said the same thing in different ways. We said the same thing. So it's very interesting. You mentioned president, there's one vertical I literally ignore complete, I completely ignore it no matter who's in charge. I don't, I never even think about it unless someone brings it up. But we partner with visionaries who live in abundance and who look at things as investments, not cost. That's it. So there's one vertical I literally ignore and it, and it's politics. It's not 'cause I don't like it, it's just, it's the opposite of Visionary abundance, investment mindset. It's argue instead of it's argue instead of do anything, it's what does this program cost instead of. So I just, I ignore it. 0 (11m 53s): I completely, and then entrepreneur's gonna get stuff done no matter who's in charge. That's it. That's irrelevant. So that I just literally totally ignore it. But Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson, what that quote you said really made me think about this. And it made, and it disgusted me in a, in a good way. But, so Jimmy Johnson won multiple Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys national champion coach with Miami Hurricanes football. And he wrote a book, he's a, a TV analyst, a star TV channel analyst, studio guy I think on Fox. But, so he wrote a book about his life and he's, he said this and I was like, wow, this is amazing. 0 (12m 37s): But not surprising. He, he goes, he wrote it for two reasons. He goes, one, he's had a lot of interesting stories in his life, you know, winning Super Bowls and stuff. And then the second reason, which almost made me vomit us the way your quote did, he's like, oh, I wrote it as an apology to my family because I never saw them. And I'm like, that's a d that's a, that's the most miserable person I've ever met. 'cause that's what I'm talking about. They have all this stuff, most damaged, best coping skills. So they have all this stuff and then they torch their family in the process. Okay, so thanks for saying that. It doesn't surprise me. So, and again, this is why I wrote the book there, and there are, there are 30 reasons, or 30 chapters, 30 answers to that, how to build collaborative global companies while putting your loved ones first. 0 (13m 24s): I I'll say the one that really stands out to me is the chapter, winning the wrong game. Winning the wrong game. And your quote is winning the wrong game. The Jimmy Johnson story, that's winning the wrong game. So these folks are very smart. Entrepreneurs are all very smart, whether they went to school or not, but their IQ is usually, and the EQ are off the charts. But that one question, what game are you actually winning? Because most entrepreneurs, they don't even think about it. They're, you know, they're focused on material things not meaningful. And so asking what game actually matters is the first step of actually realizing what game you're, what game you're winning. That's the first step. The other, well, there's 30, but the other is, I found not always, and you're an exception for sure, but in a good way. 0 (14m 12s): But people like us usually, but not always marry, stabilizing Humans. Not always, obviously, but usually, usually my wife's a pediatrician, pure stabilizing human, by the way. She's also become the c o o of of second company, which is exclusive connectivity platform. I never thought she would wanna do that, but she was like, oh, hey, I'd like to be the c o o of your second company and pays out a pediatrics. I'm like, oh, great, thanks, great idea. That would be amazing. But so what I have found is the equivalent to marrying a stabilizing human, if you haven't, or if you have, is having a stabilizing, abundant mindset, abundance and grateful mindset. 0 (14m 54s): Having that mindset of Gratitude constantly. So the the first thing I do every day is a grateful journal to my wife, what I'm grateful for her every single day. Most important thing for her is for someone to say thank you to her. So I do that six days a week. We live in Chicago, so terrible weather most of the time. So six days a week for the last 20 years, I've run outside between three and five miles every day. And then listen to shows like these while I'm running or listening to Outwitting, the Devil while I'm running. So you're beating brain, heart, lungs, muscles, whatever with positive content and positive air and energy. And then five days a week Grateful journal on, on LinkedIn. 0 (15m 38s): What I'm grateful for that day, and I'll include this interview in that, but I found if you're constantly grateful, it's really hard to be, it's, it's, it does happen sometimes, but it's really hard. And then that Gratitude, the Gratitude attracts other grateful people, other confident, grateful people. And it repels arrogance, repels, arrogance, ungrateful. 2 (16m 0s): I love Gratitude Journals. I think it's such a good practice that not enough people do. And it, right, I think there is some kind of quantum magic to it as well, which is like, the more you're focusing on that, the more abundance actually shows up and the more opportunities show up. And it seems like Woo Woo or it seems like, no, it's not. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't exist or it's a fable, but everyone that does it says nothing but the benefits and how it has changed their life. So it's like, what is the worst that's gonna happen is that you spend a couple minutes journaling before bed or when you wake up, it's like, try it's, try it before you, you discount it. 0 (16m 36s): Well, it's an interesting thing that you said Woo in StrengthsFinders, like there's a, a Woo in StrengthsFinders, which is winning others over. I didn't even know what that meant. But Woo, I'm like very low in Woo. So like, and, and dead last in Empathy second to last in include for people like us, I have endless Empathy and inclusion, but like I am not a feelings type of, I'm, I'm a pure execution doer. Doer or so like, it's not about Woo, it's about like, this is my brain turns everything into patterns and good patterns become good habits. And then I was in a, an entrepreneur room the other day, a strategic coach, great, great entrepreneur group. 0 (17m 17s): Your husband and I met in Abundance 360, which is also an incredible entrepreneur group. But we were talking about patterns and habits and then it was a fascinating group discussion. And then through that I realized the best habits become the best rituals. So patterns become habits, and then the very best habits become the best rituals. So the gravel journal to my wife, that's a, a ritual. The running outside six days a week and listening to shows like that, that's a ritual. And then the Grateful Journal on LinkedIn, that's a ritual. And I think having that grateful mindset is a hundred percent a ritual. And then that just attracts other grateful, 2 (17m 55s): I wonder what my Woo is. I don't know if I looked at that, but that would be, did 0 (17m 58s): You send it to me? 2 (17m 59s): I, I'll have to take it. I went to take that print test and it's linked to PayPal and I am banned on all PayPal for 0 (18m 8s): I didn't know that. Oh, thanks for 2 (18m 9s): Calling. Yeah. So I couldn't, I couldn't check out and then it got my ip and now it was like, you can't, you can't access this. It's like, damn it, I have to go on Eric's phone now and create another email because I do wanna take it. I thought that was interesting when you were talking about your, what your score and your wife's score, because yes, it's just a really cool way to, to have a tangible visual of what is like making your relationship dynamic work and then what's also maybe making it not work so that you can improve upon it in a way that doesn't feel personal. So it's not like, like your partner's coming at you with a personal attack. It's like, no, these are our strengths and weaknesses and how can we figure this out to optimize the relationship. 0 (18m 51s): Well one, thanks for saying that. Two, I can help provide, even though I'm very low in context, I, I can provide that in this case with actual, with an actual answer, at least three quarters of it. So your husband is a four three print. So four is to like find harmony and, and love and that kind of stuff. So he's a he that's a feeler. And then three is to succeed and achieve. So he's a feeler doer. Okay, that's your husband. I'm guessing you're some mix of feeler doer. You're definitely a you if you're not an eight, which is strong and self-reliant. And then maybe a, some type of the feeling ones I would be, I mean if you're not an eight, I'd be flabbergasted. 0 (19m 36s): I mean it would be so strong and self-reliant. You're like the, I could be wrong, it's unconscious motivators, but like you're like the ultimate eight. Okay, so I am an eight three. This is not me saying this even though I'm saying it, but in the really highest level entrepreneur groups, most of them are eight three. So eight is to be strong and self-reliant. And three is to succeed and achieve. So there's no over feeling, no overthinking. There's execute, execute, execute, execute, execute, execute. Which would make sense. I would get if Elon Musk is not an eight three, I would be or a three eight succeed and achieve strong and self reliant. I'd be, I mean, okay, so, and then my wife, a pediatrician who decided to become c o o, her decision, not mine. 0 (20m 23s): She is a two six. So two is to be needed and and appreciated. And six is to feel safe and secure. So that's a feeler thinker. And so you now, again, not always, usually doer doers are married to feeler thinkers or feeler feelers or a thinker. Thinker, a stabilizing human. So your husband is a feeler doer. I'm guessing you're a doer, feeler or a doer. Doer. 2 (20m 50s): Interesting. Yep. 0 (20m 51s): So use his name to take it. 2 (20m 55s): Yeah, for sure. Have you ever been super wrong about someone's assessment where you're, you look at them and you're like, you're the completely wrong? Yeah, no, 0 (21m 4s): Never. 2 (21m 4s): No, never. No. That's so fascinating. 0 (21m 9s): No, I know. So, oh, so that's your, your brain's amazing. But the so things that a monkey and a child can do, I'm, I'm useless. Like I don't know how to hold a pencil and like I do, but it's really hard. And like tying my shoes is very difficult. And like in these interviews, even though I'm looking at the screen now, I never look at the screen. I'm like staring around looking in space. But so my life's purpose is to be purpose of life is to be connecting superhero for every Visionary, Visionary, not human, not Businessowner, not consult Visionary who shares their stories with the world. The their world. I very confusing has always been. 0 (21m 51s): So for people like us, endless understanding and wanting to understand people like us and endless, endless Empathy, endless inclusion. And then I've talked to so many people like us, I see the patterns and then it's like, oh, here's, here's your answer. So what has happened through most of my life, learning about people like us, I know more about people like us than the people themselves. Like I can talk to someone like you and know more about you than, than you do probably because I literally talked to thousands upon thousands of you. And then regular Humans, they, I'm bored by it. It's annoying to me because they're making excuses. 2 (22m 31s): So 0 (22m 31s): That's why I'm never wrong. Yeah, 2 (22m 34s): Because you have enough pattern to recognize 0 (22m 36s): The patterns that here's the answer every now and then there's an anomaly, but like not a giant, not a giant miss. 2 (22m 46s): So what are some Characteristics of a Visionary if someone's trying to figure out, am I okay in this category or am I not? 0 (22m 54s): Okay? And just as background for those who wanna deep dive, chapter two of Epic life is the perfection of patterns. Okay? So it's a deep dive on this answer. And again, all I do is talk to people like us and blah blah, blah, answer blah blah, blah pattern, blah blah, blah pattern. Okay? So in terms of Kolbe, K O L B E, that's how your brain takes action. I don't care what someone's personality is, I wanna know if they're gonna do something overwhelming. Majority of visionaries, again, not Businessowner, not consultant, not, not human, not not Visionary, Visionary is at least an eight quick start urinate, quick start. 0 (23m 34s): 10 is the highest, A 10 quick start in regular human world is one out of 200. In my world it's like one out of 10. It's actually going down to like one out nine. I, I talked to so many tens, but I'm a seven quick start. A seven or under can become a Visionary occasionally. But they have to have extraordinarily high IQ and or EQ. They can game the system more often than almost always. It's an eight, nine, or 10. Okay? So that's one Most, most visionaries, not all, they have little to no follow through. So that's a d d diagnosed or undiagnosed, that's not a disorder. Sign a genius mislabeled by humans who don't understand us. 0 (24m 16s): But, and then if they don't hire a million people, total disaster. 'cause there's no follow through. So I'm the very rare Visionary that has high quick start and high follow. Say it, do it, say it, do it. Hit the gas pump breaks. Okay, so that's one. In, Gallup, Clifton, StrengthsFinders, G A L L U P. Clifton StrengthsFinders. Most visionaries, again, not all, most of them have a mix of ideation and or futuristic. So they're often wherever that world is. But they have a mix of activator, maximizer and or achiever. So they're often ideal world, but they'll do something about it. They won't wait 300 years, they'll do it now I'm almost dead last in ideation. 0 (24m 58s): Very low in futuristic. But top three are activate, maximize, achieve, so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, simplify, activate, maximize, achieve, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, activate, maximize, connect. So, and then so can keep up with the Visionary and follow through. And then the third one is print. Enneagram is similar, it's similar. most visionaries have at least an eight or three or both in them. So again, eight strong and self-reliant. Three is to succeed and achieve I. If you don't have an eight, I'd be just completely shocked by that could be wrong though. 2 (25m 37s): So if you, if you are a Visionary, and especially if you are one that I feel like there's probably different, the gradient is probably pretty wide. So you have some people that are way out 3000 years ahead and some people that are maybe thinking 10 years ahead. Yes. But if you're one of those people further along on that spectrum, is there any, is there any way that you can kind of reel it in so you can take into it, into account the zeitgeist and timing? Because sometimes if you have an idea and society and culture are ready 0 (26m 8s): For it, are ideas, they're meaningless without action. Meaningless. Right, right. 2 (26m 11s): Or people that are ready, ready to adopt it. 0 (26m 14s): That's correct. Bad, bad time. So here a true Visionary will, will take action, see what happens with the idea. And maybe it's the right time, maybe it isn't. But a true Visionary will, will do it. They'll do it. The Businessowner, the Businessowner, the human, the consultant will wait on it 15 years, ready, aim, aim, aim, aim, aim. And then they, nothing will ever get fired. And then those are those, you know, nothing ever happens. The Visionary will fire for the most part. Fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, aim, no aiming, maybe ready. And that's what, and then that's the only way to actually learn something is to see what happens. 0 (26m 58s): And then there's the, there's the adjustment. That's what it, that's what it is. And again, high quick start high. That's what high quickstart means, is mean. They'll, they'll take action. They'll take action to, to see what happens. My litmus test is my, I wish I could have gotten his Kolbe, but he died in 1991 when I was 13. But I didn't know what Kolbe was. But that, it's my father, my litmus test is my dad. He was 61 when I was born, and he was World War II hero, shot down multiple times in combat, many times without a parachute. And he just got, he would just get back into the plane. So that's really, that's a, a litmus test for a Visionary. I mean you that's what I, that's why, I mean, I, you have to be an eight, I would think, or a three in, in your print. 0 (27m 43s): I've shot down multiple times. And I mean, you're, I mean, it's just ama like your life is just so fascinating to me. And, and, and your genetics too, like your, I mean, Japanese, Jewish, English, what else are what else? 2 (28m 0s): Spanish 0 (28m 1s): Span, I mean like, you're thinking you're an entrepreneur, genetic, like a nationality brain. It's amazing. 2 (28m 10s): Yeah, there's a lot of fight in there. 0 (28m 12s): Oh, I mean, oh my god, you have like zen. I mean, think of the Spanish, I'm Russian, Jewish Spanish, but I don't have Japanese or the, or the English. I don't have, I don't think I do, but my partner's Japanese, Chinese for a second company. 2 (28m 31s): Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, I've heard you talk about the a d D and the ADHD a couple times. Is that what the driven book is about? 0 (28m 44s): Yes. Yeah. And so Dr. Doug Brackman, that's like the definitive book on a d d ADHD, again, not a disorder. And then there are Four, Types of Visionaries, only four that I, again, pattern. So one is a d d ADHD. Most of the, not all, most of the people I talk to have that. The second is minor Asperger's. My wife, who's a pediatrician has unofficially diagnosed me with that. I would, I mean, my wife actually asked me to stop diagnosing people. But, but okay, so I'm, I'm sure that three is dyslexia, 30% of high. There are multiple articles on this, but 30% of high performing entrepreneurs are dyslexic. 0 (29m 24s): They, they can't learn one way or they can't read. So they go into, they put 'em in a different classroom and or in the basement or whatever it is, and figure it out. And then four again, exceptionally high IQ and or EQ. So they're, you know, whatever spectrum that is. They're just not human. They're just human. 2 (29m 43s): So with, are you familiar with Gabor mate's work and his No, no. Tell me. Okay. So his opinion is, he's like this clinical psychologist. He talks a lot about, he got, I guess, really famous for addiction and his work, a d d it's his opinion that a d d and ADHD is ki is more of a coping mechanism. It's not necessarily, he agrees in the sense that it's not a disorder. 0 (30m 8s): So wait a minute. So the entrepreneurs are most damaged people with best coping skills. So the a d D is the actual coping skill, right? 2 (30m 16s): So he says ba like if you think about a little kid, and especially a parent, so a parent that is not providing like a sense of safety, what are your chances? You're in a room with the parent and you're, you're feeling threatened or unsafe, what can you do? You can't fight back. You're too small, you can't run away because you're a minor and you still live at home. So you have to most damage, right? So you have to escape with within yourself, which is fascinating. So 0 (30m 44s): It's, okay. So again, like this is why I like doing, I mean, I like doing these interviews for multiple reasons, but this is the one I like the most because this is how I learn in real time. And doing this isn't, it's an action. This is doing something. And then this is how you learn because you talk and then you actually learn. So I've always said entrepreneurs, well not always, but last couple years entrepreneurs, most damaged people with best coping skills. The human a, d d disorder. That's the actual coping skill that makes, that makes sense because there's so much damage that creates the, the coping skills. So I'll dove, I'll dovetail that, I'll dovetail that. I think the trauma contributes to that. 0 (31m 26s): I do think some people are just born with that type of wiring. But a hundred percent the trauma would create that. And that would create the trauma and the damages child would create the high level entrepreneur. I mean, that's what, again, that's what entrepreneur life is. And then the ones that go to prison or they don't, you know, they're all over the place and never amount to, you know, they don't achieve anything is because they don't have the IQ and or EQ. They don't, they don't have it. They, they just don't. 2 (31m 57s): Yeah, the book is called Scattered. Minds if anyone wants to check it out. But that, I think that was someone that's focused on E A D D. And I thought that that's interesting because I took that driven test and I was pretty much like off of, right. 0 (32m 9s): Which I thought you'd be right, 2 (32m 11s): The parameters. And I was like, okay, so I guess I, I have this, but I had no idea. And looking back at my experience with education, it was horrible. I'm, I would come home crying. I Right. Would have the most anxiety before a test. Right? Of course. You know what I mean? And I would just feel like the dumbest person in the room. I'm like, why is this working for everyone and it's not working for me. Right? And it's like how we're just failing so many young blossoming Minds because they learn differently. So we have, 0 (32m 38s): So there's your feeling. So you're a doer, feeler. Yeah. You're feel, so you're feeling with Empathy. And so here I'm gonna dovetail that my brain literally only focuses on people like us. 'cause people like, or people like you, I should say with more Empathy than me or more inclusion because people like you help everyone else. I never think about everyone else. I think about people like us that can help everyone else, and then people like you help everyone else. That's how I help everyone else. 2 (33m 11s): So what are you trying to help people with? 0 (33m 13s): Again, purpose of my life is to be connecting superhero for every Visionary who shares their stories with the world. That's it. So I'm either spending time with a stabilizing human, really smart, beautiful wife, or Ann might, and our two young maniac pioneer maniacs, a compliment entrepreneur children, they're, they're nine and 10 or talking to people like us in connecting them. And I hear the same problem. I hear the same problem. We're tired of being best secret. We wanna be more news media connected to people like us to create more validity and credibility. And I need to talk to people who understand what I'm talking about. So all I do is talk to people who understand what we're talking about, and then I just connect them to other people like that. 0 (33m 56s): So that's, that's what I hear. I've, I've heard that my whole life because we're aliens. And so I just connect aliens to aliens and then aliens help everyone else. They help Humans. 2 (34m 7s): The EQ bit is interesting. So I, a while back, Eric and I did this neurofeedback program out in Arizona and by like, they take your, you have your intake and they do IQ and EQ in the beginning, and then they do it at the end of the week. 0 (34m 22s): You took your IQ 2 (34m 24s): I think it was some kind of IQ test. But we've, we talked about this where I feel that those aren't necessarily very accurate because if you are neurodivergent, it's not going to necessarily like, like it's not gonna reflect that. So I took one for this intake, for this health program. Eric and I are on a wait list for, and they only work with certain kinds of clients. So they do a whole background check on you before you come in. Oh my God. And one of the assessments was IQ. And for some reason I scored higher than Eric did. That 0 (34m 52s): Doesn't surprise me at all. 2 (34m 53s): It surprises me. And I don't nec I don't agree with the results because he is smarter than me. He just, 0 (34m 58s): That does nothing to IQs pattern recognition. 2 (35m 1s): And I feel like he's probably better at that as well. It's, so he has a d d and he occasionally will take medicine for it. It, it can affect the way that he functions. So if he's neurodivergent then those IQ tests are not made for people with it that are divergent of any, any proclivity. Like you have to have like a very stereotypical mind to take that test. So I feel, I don't know, like how accurate can it be? And they didn't give us the scores. They just kind of showed us a bar and there was like red, we don't take you in green. You're a perfect candidate. And okay, 0 (35m 35s): Well I can give you so if both of you are not, okay. So one 40 and above is a genius. That's less than 1% of the population. The lowest IQ of anyone I've talked to in the last two years is 1 28 for a human that's still, still pretty smart. The highest I've talked to is 1 73. That person was not a human in it. There's, they're like a cyborg. That person has a normal human girlfriend. He won't even go out in public with her. 'cause he is, he can't, he just can't do it. When you get over one 60, there's like no human understanding though. People like that are, it's very tough to have a family, I would guess. 0 (36m 15s): Well, I would guess both of you are over one 40, maybe over one 50. I don't think you're over one 60. That, that's good by the way. And then my wife and I are hilariously both 1 39. So we're bridges between genius and human. But I'm, I'm actually glad that's like a perfect score for actually for purpose of life because I can, I can bridge between genius and human. But again, most of the people I talk to are a d d diagnosed or undiagnosed, and most of them are over one 40. 2 (36m 46s): Okay, so they they can take the test and it's still Oh yeah, 0 (36m 49s): Complex. Oh yeah, yeah, they're, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. They're, yeah. And it's those, the, those the four things, the a, d d, Asperger's, dyslexia, and then high IQ EQ. I've talked to two people that were all four. That was ama I never thought I'd meet someone who was all four of those. I mean, that is, that's a lot. Oh my God. And then one of them was a 10 quick start. I mean, and, and then he also had, he was all four of the bankruptcy, potential bankruptcy, depression, trauma and anxiety. And so he's started a foundation, I'll say this in general, but he started a foundation to help with suicide awareness. 0 (37m 29s): And he's partnering with like top bands and musicians on planet. That would make sense. That is a logical, that's a logical thing for his all, both, all fours. That would make perfect sense. 2 (37m 43s): Mm. Yeah. Well, I guess where I was going, so after the neuro feedback is your EQ will go up significantly. It's something that within a week you can gain several points, like even up to like 10 points on it, just from essentially practicing meditation. Right? And like purposefully getting into an alpha or theta or 0 (38m 3s): Good ritual. That's a good ritual. Absolutely. 2 (38m 6s): Yeah. So I think if you're low in that, it's probably easier to raise your EQ than it would be for your IQ, even though your IQ is supposed to go up by a couple points also by the end of the week. Hmm. 0 (38m 17s): Good. That's good context. Thanks for telling me that. I, again, like what I have seen is someone either has the EQ and or IQ, and then I have not done research in this, but multiple genius entrepreneurs have told me about it. There's a new thing called XQ experience quotient. And if you have the IQ and EQ, you can create the experience quotient, which I think is actually similar to EQ, but, but maybe not. 2 (38m 48s): Yeah, it does seem like they'd be in the same realm. And then I've heard of, so adaptability quotient as well. So we do this training every so often. Eric's gone more than I do, but it's essentially like psychology mixed with real life stress stressors and situational awareness. So they'll use combat close quarters com combat with like fighting and ammunition. And then like, let's say you, you're doing target practice and you're running through this obstacle and you miss the last one every single time. Well, they'll figure out how that reflects in your day-to-day life. Like why do you always miss on the execution? And then so they measure your aq, like how can you adapt under stress? And they try to like, I mean the guy basically was trying to drown someone during one of the trainings. 2 (39m 32s): Perfect. And like is like submerging them. And it's like, how well can you think under like the most immense physical amount of stress? And then again, related to day-to-day life, which is fucking fascinating. That 0 (39m 42s): Makes perfect sense. I mean, so yeah, my fa shot down in an airplane World War II without a parachute many times. You just got back into a plane the, in a couple weeks. I'm taking my, our our sons are, they're both nine quickstar, two follow through pure pioneers. And I'm taking them Asian carp fishing with a bow and arrow. Oh my gosh. So the Asian, yeah, right. Yeah. So they jump out of the water and then you shoot 'em with a bow and arrow when we're really excited. We're really, and then I took them a couple months ago to the movie Cocaine Bear. This is actually, this does, this will make sense. So, and it will explain things, but so cocaine bear, that's for a human child that is not a movie to, but so we're, we're laughing, you know, we're laughing hysterically for those that don't know it's about a bear that, I guess it's based on a true story. 0 (40m 34s): It found some cocaine and then it started killing people. Like, and so we, we were laughing at it hysterically. And then my 10 year old brought a, his 10 year old friend who's a really good kid. He, but he, you know, he's a human. And then the 10, his friend is crying, you know, shirt over his face. So we had to leave the, we had to leave the theater, but like, for, for us. And I told his parents, I go, this is a very violent movie. Are you sure you want him to go? And they're like, yeah, it's okay. But, but it wasn't okay. And, but that's the difference. Like, you know, it's the difference between the Hunter brain and the, and the Farmer brain. Like that's what it, that's what it is. 2 (41m 15s): So you think that there is just probably even millions of years worth of data that makes some people okay with that stressor and that violence. So like you, if you do have a Hunter or brain, you're not gonna be overwhelmed by something like that. 0 (41m 30s): No, I mean, no, no, no. Okay, so one of the chap, okay, talk is meaningless to me. It's, it's meaningless. So two years ago, my wife and I went to lunch. So we go to lunch like every Wednesday and or Thursday. And so where we live is, I mean, one of the safest places on the planet, knock on wood. But anyway, so we were gonna lunch and we pulled into a parking spot and I got out of the car and then I looked behind me, and then there was a guy laying in a pool of blood. Like, so don't, you don't usually see that in my neighborhood, but was a journalist for 20 years in Chicago and that area. So, you know, witnessed and, and reported on shootings and all that stuff. 0 (42m 14s): So, so I yelled at the guy, I'm like, Hey, have you been shot? Which is something in my neighborhood. You don't, you don't ask that. And then, and then he goes, yeah. And then there was a guy in the car with him who, who said, yeah, my friend's been shot. And then that guy got into the car and drove away. I was like, that was interesting. But anyway, so then there were, there were a bunch of people staring at it. And I'm, I'm yelling at the people, I go, you cannot go. You gotta get away from the bot. He wasn't dying. He wasn't dead. He was dying though. I go, you gotta, you don't go near, he called 9 1 1 because one, the guy with the gun that left could have come back and shot him. There could have been another guy in the parking lot that would've, you know, finished the job. 0 (42m 59s): And, but most people were just, they were staring there like sheep. They had no idea what was going on. But I've like, immediately instinctively just knew. I mean, I just, I just knew it. And then my wife, it was very interesting too, 'cause she's a doctor. She, she wanted to rush in and help. And I told her, no, you can't, you can't go over there because I, you're not gonna get, you're not gonna get killed for this. You're not gonna do that. So it was like, it was very interesting to see how, you know, 99% of the world just stared like deer in the headlights. And then my wife who's trained to, you know, help. And then me, I'm like, it's just genetically in my blood to understand people getting shot in blood and chaos and like, here's how to actually lead this situation. 2 (43m 43s): Yeah, it's interesting. They say almost the more people that are there, there's this disbursement of responsibility. So you push it off onto someone else and you assume that they're gonna pick it up. So then it's not your, it's not up to you. And I just had a story pop into my mind when you were telling that that hasn't come to me since it happened. So I was probably eight and a half months pregnant. I was super pregnant. So it was over like last summer. This is gonna be good. Last summer. And Eric was away for, I think he might've been in abundance actually, but he was, oh God, he was gone. And it's the dead of heat in the south. And I'm, you know, walking around and I have my crop top on and some leggings and the, the AC guy comes over, we're getting like a new HVAC system put in. 2 (44m 32s): 'cause we bought an old house. So the guy comes over with his 18 year old son and they're supposed to be installing stuff on the roof. And I'm like, okay. And I have my toddler with me and it's nap time. And all of a sudden, like, I'm getting my, my toddler ready to wind down. Someone knocks on the door, I go, that's weird. It's his son. His son comes and he just blanks stare like no emotion whatsoever. And he's like, my dad fell off the roof. And I was like, is he okay? And he goes, I don't know. I was like, is okay, did you try to talk to him? He is like, he's not responding. I'm like, did you call, did you call 9 1 1? And he's like, no, I didn't know what to do. 2 (45m 14s): I'm like, 0 (45m 14s): My 2 (45m 15s): God, that's step one. So I had to grab my child, throw him into the crib so he's crying because I didn't want him to see ambulances or whatever. I had no idea what I was walking out to. Right? Yeah. I go out there was a, met like a, like, almost like a step and he had hit his head on it. Okay. So he's laying there eyes wide open, right, blood everywhere. Right? Not responsive, not moving. Okay. And then I, he's not even blinking, right? So I have to go over and I like feel his pulse. I feel that he's moving. I had to go inside, grab a towel, I'm giving it to his son. I'm like, you need to hold this on. Like, his wound don't move his neck calling 9 1 1 all in the, like, this waddling around like massively pregnant. 2 (45m 57s): And I am just, I'm not reacting, I'm just responding to everything. All the paramedics come and I'm like, I had to clean up everything. That's what people don't realize when accidents like, ha this happen. Like you have to clean it up. So there's this coagulated blood everywhere that now me, eight, eight and a half months, I'm, you know, scrubbing off of the cement in 110 degree weather. And his son is just sitting there, right? Like a deer. Right. Makes and he's 18 makes right. So I was 0 (46m 26s): That's not gonna change. 2 (46m 28s): Flabbergasted. 0 (46m 30s): That's Humans. 2 (46m 31s): I was like, how aren't you? How do you not have the a human? 0 (46m 36s): No, he's a human 2 (46m 37s): To dial 9 1 1. And I called Eric and I was like, honestly, I've never been in a situation like this in my life. Like, thank god the guy lived and he's okay. It was definitely dicey for a minute. Yeah, but you don't know how you're gonna show up in that situation until it happens, right? And I was like, I was shocked. I was just shocked that I was just focused and able to just execute on whatever had to be done. See, 0 (46m 60s): Here's what's interesting about you to me, is that you're surprised at yourself all the time. None of this surprises me at all. This is, I mean this is logical. This is what I mean. Like, I see the patterns and like I knew more, I, I think I understand you better than maybe you understand yourself with that. Like of course you're gonna, I mean the trauma and that you've overcome the ult, like you're the ultimate strong and self ib. So like that's perfectly, that's perfectly logical. Like I would, would, I mean, but that's most Humans that would just stare. Like can you imagine, this is not funny, but can you imagine like someone close to you that happening and you're just staring and like, you knock on someone's door? 0 (47m 42s): No, but that's most, that's most Humans. That's why I don't talk to them. 'cause it's a pointless. And so, oh yeah. So one of the, I I'm not, I haven't written it yet, I'm not going to yet because I'm waiting for the second company to, to take off. But the, then the, whenever I write a third book, it'll be called Epic Family, right? Because like, oh, my wife's like joining the second company and like, you know, I put family first, like, why wouldn't you do that? But like, one of the chapters will be, it'll be something like blame the umpire and other things visionaries don't do. So like, our kids are both really good athletes and then they're, they're in travel sports and like travel baseball, travel soccer, both really good runners flag football. 0 (48m 24s): And then, so you have to go out into the human world for these things. Like, it's not, it's not all people. In fact, there's no one else like us, really. So you see how Humans act like for hours at a time. And then, you know, you know, 10 year old 10, it's funny because I'll write a chapter about it, but 10 year old baseball, you see the Humans blaming an umpire in a 10 year old, you know, and then the worst part is that the Humans blame the umpire and then the children of the Humans see them blaming the umpire. So then they start to blame the umpire. And then my kids start to blame the umpire and go, no, no, no, no, no. People with weak mindset blame the umpire. People with strong mindset, the Visionary, they take accountability for their own actions. 0 (49m 4s): So I'll, I'll turn it into a lesson for them. But it's re it's hilarious to see how human world works like that. But that's most of the, that's most of the world. Like when you go, you know, when you leave your house and go out into whatever you're doing, you, you see how they, how they act. But the, the deer in the headlights look, that's, that's human society. That's what it is. And it's not a bad or good thing, it's just, that's just how their brains are. 2 (49m 27s): And I feel like this is a great opportunity for people to just introduce Calculated risk taking and stress. Yes. So that they can better handle it if something happens. Hmm, that's a idea. Whether that's like go into asuna or jump into an ice bath or go do really serious workout, right? Something that makes you feel like I am, I'm gonna die. Right? Like I just did the assault bike this morning at the gym, 0 (49m 52s): Not eight and a half months pregnant. I no, 2 (49m 55s): No, no, no, I am not pregnant. I, but yeah, did the assault bike. And I was like, I'm gonna die. And sometimes you need a little bit of that to like get out the energy and then be able to deal with customer service or whatever it is that's gonna, someone cutting you off in traffic and it's not gonna take everything away from you because you've already worked something out that is much bigger than that. 0 (50m 21s): It's, it's, it's, well Calculated risk is the key. Like most people, they never take any risk. They don't even a 10 quick start will, they don't, they'll do any, you know, a nine quick start will almost do anything. An eight quick start. Eight and sevens are in the Calculated risk area when you get below a seven. Very, very, very, very little risk five-year goal. It's on our vision board upstairs. I guess it would be four years from now, I wanna swim with great right, great white sharks in a cage. That'll be fine. What? 2 (50m 50s): That is not a calculator 0 (50m 52s): Here. It's You're in a cage. You're in 2 (50m 53s): A cage. No, no, no, no, no. Did you see that video with the guy in the plexiglass cage? 0 (50m 57s): Oh, it'll be fine. Yeah. See, okay, so 2 (51m 0s): It was not fine. 0 (51m 2s): I, I can't wait. I can't wait to do, I jumped out of an airplane with a parachute a couple years ago. They didn't put a, they didn't put a helmet on me. The guy who I was strapped to that he had a helmet on, but I didn't. And then our, I like the time, I'm like truly at peace is like when I'm driving my car really, really fast sometimes with children in the car and it's, it's a lot of fun. But that's a, that's a Calculated risk and I'm safe driver, very focused. But that's actually when I focus the most because you're like totally focused on the, on the task at hand. And so skydiving was totally focused, driving really fast, really focused. I think shooting the Asian carp with bow and arrow, that'll be total focus. 0 (51m 43s): That'll be an interesting thing to see how my kids enjoy that as well. 2 (51m 47s): That sound, I wanna look that up. But it sounds kind of, it makes me think of that flow state, which is the skills challenge threshold. So you have to get yourself within a threshold in order to achieve that state of flow. But with someone who does have a d d specifically, you do have that chasing a dopamine, chasing a high, chasing a risk tendency. So how do you check in with yourself to make sure that it is a Calculated risk? Like because 0 (52m 13s): Winning the wrong game. Winning the wrong game. What game are you winning? Yep. Yeah, that's the, I'm putting, oh wait, hold on, I'm putting it in the chat. Oh wait, can I put it in the chat here? Oh wait, I think I can, I'm putting the car punter. 2 (52m 26s): Oh yeah. Thank you. That sounds so cool. 0 (52m 30s): Yes, way till you see the site. It'll be, it'll be incredible. So 2 (52m 35s): Yeah, I've really wanted to learn how to use a bow and do archery and I was going to go get fitted and then I got pregnant and it was just not the right season. 'cause I was riding bad 0 (52m 45s): Risk. That's a bad risk. 2 (52m 47s): That's a bad risk. Yeah. I was doing dressage and the horse that I got actually was trained in hog hunting. So he was, he was a beast. I know. 0 (52m 56s): Amazing. A horse hunting. Oh god, I could see you going in one of those helicopters where they shoot the hogs from the air. The bo Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be fun. That I would do 2 (53m 6s): Special. I would do something 0 (53m 8s): That 2 (53m 8s): That you would, yeah, I would do that. Yeah, that would, have 0 (53m 10s): You heard of RIAs? Those are those giant swamp rats in Louisiana. I want to take the kids that you go on a one of those airboats and you shoot them. I wanna take the kids on that parade, but, but that would be fun. I think that'd be fun. 2 (53m 25s): Yeah, no, the helicopter has always interested me, but yeah, I was like, I'm gonna be like Kaus Aberdeen and I'm gonna be on my, my hog horse with my bowe and I just had this whole vision and then I got pregnant so I was like, I am not gonna, I A, I can't ride a horse anymore right now. And then this is not the time to learn how to use a weapons so we'll we'll revisit that later. 0 (53m 46s): Okay. Well, yeah, you got time. Yeah. So that, that sounds like a good idea. That sounds fun. 2 (53m 50s): Yeah, that sounds amazing. I'll look up that, that car hunting. Oh, 0 (53m 55s): I just sent the link. Yeah. Yeah. You'll love it. Yeah. Let 2 (53m 57s): Me see what else I had. I, I journal before I do these things. 'cause sometimes, sometimes I surprise myself and then other times it just takes on its own life, which is of course usually the best way. Agreed. That I think, oh, one thing I wanted to ask, just selfishly was finding out How to Navigate. Business Relationships based off of kolby. So like, finding someone that makes up for your weak spot. Yes. And then also isn't gonna be so combative because you want someone that compliments you, but that's not necessarily an opposite. 0 (54m 29s): Oh my God, that's amazing. Okay. I will answer that as concisely and simply as possible, but it requires a, you know, it requires some in-depth response to that. So those three things that we talked about, those assessments. Those assessments, the Kolbe, the StrengthsFinders and the print. So I'll start with me because that then you'll understand why the pa the partnership works. So I'm an 8 6 7 1 Kolbe. Okay. My partner is a 1 5 9 6. So one is his fact finder. I use the only one factor I've ever met, ever met. 0 (55m 11s): And then six is his implementer, meaning he can build stuff with his hands. I'm a one implementer. I, again, I can barely hold a pencil, right? So he, he is built the platform. He's full backstage, perfect StrengthsFinders. My partner is competition maximizer Empathy. So competition maximizer. He's gonna win big at the highest level, but he's Empathy three Empathy. I am dead. Last in Empathy for people like us. Endless Empathy, my partner has Empathy for Empathy, has Empathy for Empathy, which is, so that's collaborative. It's collaborative print is, I'm an eight three strong and self reliant, succeed and achieve. 0 (55m 51s): My partner Mark Fu, he's a three eight, succeed and achieve strong and self-reliant. So consciously we're collaborative, collaborative, unconsciously collaborative. We have the same unconscious motivators. It's collaborative. And then he, he collaboratively helps me with, with my, I guess weaknesses. Empathy. Now he's great. Talk to Mark Empathy Empathy. So, or build something, talk to Mark backstage, something talk to Mark. And then with personal, which is now actually turned into business, which I never expected. But this is what happens when you have the right mindset, it detracts the right network and, and creates the right opportunities. 0 (56m 33s): But, so Mike Kolby again, 8, 6, 7 1. My wife is 8 7 4 2. So she has lower quick start, but higher follow through, higher follow through. Her. Number one strength finder is harmony, harm. I mean, I, I still like, I can't even understand. I'm 31, outta 34 in harmony, 31. So again, collaborative harmony. She's second in relator, but third in achiever, as am I, I'm an achiever. Third. So she achieves, she wants to achieve. She just does it with harmony and harmony and relation. I do it with activation and maximize, I just do it. And then, oh, harmony, joy, Woo. 0 (57m 14s): Okay. And then, and then, and by the way, she's brought harmony in relation as a bridge between me and my partner Mark. She's brought harmony in relation. So that's collaborative. And then print unconscious. I'm eight three. Go, go. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. And then my wife is needed and appreciated and safe and secure. So she is, I am endlessly grateful for that. She taught me how to say thank you. She taught me how to be appreciative of her constantly. And then she's made me feel safe and secure. Her safety and security and harmony has been somewhat absorbed into me. 0 (57m 56s): And then she has a more interesting life. Now she's, she's phasing out of pediatrics to become c o o of second company. She never would've done that if she had not married someone like me. She never would've done that. She would've constantly wanted to be safe and secure, but now she's taking more chances in life. So that's how it's done. Again, from a really a life perspective. I don't even really say like saying business, but to me it's just a, a collaborative life with business being a byproduct of that. 2 (58m 26s): You know, that's beautiful because I feel like a lot of times when we want something, especially for younger and like in the building phase, we don't necessarily think of the second and third order of consequences of going into business with someone. And you don't go over principles or values or long-term vision. You're just like, oh, you have the capital. I have this idea. Let's do it. And that's kind of the end of the conversation. That's a 0 (58m 48s): Material thing. Yeah. 2 (58m 50s): And you then all of a sudden you're adult and you realize you are nowhere on the same page. Right. The business gets stuck because one person wants it to be like safe, secure, and stagnant. And the other person has like this idea to expand and you're just never gonna see eye to eye. 0 (59m 5s): Well one, that's, that's tremendous. And how you describe that, I would say it's a, it's a business partnership. Not a, it's just not. So, like Donald Miller, I, I don't remember what the book is called, he's written a bunch. But in one of the books, in one of the books, he talks about writing your own eulogy. And at first I'm like, I don't know. But then I'm like, oh, that's a pretty good idea. And so I wrote it and look at, look at it every now and then. But first it, it, thanks my wife for giving me a life. And then it said like, and then my children, but mostly my wife. 0 (59m 47s): And then it, it was like, you know, I tried to be a good dad and husband first, and then sometimes I got into a lot of trouble 'cause I'm impulsive. Which that would make sense with a, a quick start activator. And then it also thanked partner Mark Fujiwara for a lifelong friendship. A friendship. And then the, the byproduct of that was a successful global, global company that connected visionaries, who created things for everyone else. But I think having that lifetime perspective of the same values, the same values in a partnership perspective is far, it's just far different. It's totally different, totally different than material. And again, brain turns everything to patterns, everything. 0 (1h 0m 30s): So business owners, Humans, bus, you know, whatever that world is, they care about. Revenue, office space, employee, employee account, the thing that you just said, like, oh, here's my idea, here's the capital to do it. So they're trying to change their world. They're a true Visionary. They care about purpose, spending time with loved ones collaborating, and they're trying to change the world. The, so it's a, it's a fundamental difference between the world people and, and their world. It's just most people aren't the world people. They're, they're trying to change their world. And then the world, people are already changing the world, or they will do whatever it takes to become one of those people. They won't make an excuse. 0 (1h 1m 11s): They'll get back into a plane without a parachute after another one's been shot down. 2 (1h 1m 16s): What would you say is the best investment you've made in yourself? 0 (1h 1m 22s): Well, that, that's a redundant question because it's in, it's, it's investing in yourself. So that's a, that's such a good question because like, so I see these, these Facebook groups and like, someone will ask what's the, what's the, what's the best investment you can make? And then I know when someone's a Businessowner, they're like, oh, new technology or an employee or like a virtual assistant or whatever that is. That's just like Businessowner stuff. And then I always write, oh, invest in yourself. I mean, you just invest in yourself. And then, so I just keep making bigger investments to be in smaller rooms, but the people in those rooms are making bigger impacts. So if you wanna call those networking groups or entrepreneur groups, so bigger investment, smaller room people in those rooms are making bigger impact. 0 (1h 2m 6s): That allows me to spend biggest investment in smallest room, which is my family where I can make the most impact. So it's the same formula, but everything to me is about spending more time with my family. So that's one. And then, then if you're not a litmus test for people you serve, that's hypocrisy. So how can you expect people to make bigger investments in you and your companies if you're not making bigger investments in yourself? I mean, that would be, that's theological. You can't ex, I mean, you guess you can, but how can you expect people to invest in what you're doing if you're not investing in yourself, making bigger investments in yourself? It's totally illogical to me. 2 (1h 2m 41s): So which room has, I mean, obviously taking aside family, 'cause I feel like that should hopefully be everyone's answer. But aside from like your, you show me 0 (1h 2m 50s): Hopefully, right? 2 (1h 2m 51s): Aside from that room, which room has been like the most inspiring for you so far? 0 (1h 2m 57s): Well, I mean, I think one, the reason why we're talking is because, well one, I don't believe in randomness, but your husband and I met in Abundance 360. That's for those who can't see, that's the pad I'm wearing. And then Dr. Peter, due to Dr. Peter Diman who runs that group, he wrote the Forward for Epic Life. I'm very grateful for that. He doesn't usually do that. So I'm very grateful he, he did that. So, you know, I mean, people like you and your husband and me we're like the average human being in that room, which I don't say that lightly. I mean it's 400 of people like us. So certainly Abundance 360 Summit. 0 (1h 3m 39s): The other group I spend a lot of time in is a strategic coach, very confident saying that's one of the top, if not the top entrepreneur groups in the world. Dan Sullivan and Bab Smith co-founded that. One of the chapters in Epic Life is Find your Babs or have your Babs find you. I always call my partner Mark Babs. 'cause I think it's funny, but he's the, he's the backstage genius who's gonna build the company Strategic Coach without Babs, there is no, there is no strategic coach. So those two groups I spend a, a great deal of of time in because it's, it's it's rooms where not only do the people understand what I'm talking about, but I like to be the dumbest person in the room. 0 (1h 4m 23s): And those are the rooms I can really learn and really learn something. That's where the true learning, 2 (1h 4m 28s): How are you able to, I guess maybe e like put your Ego aside or like not have that sense of competition? Because some people want to always be the smartest person. 0 (1h 4m 38s): No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that's, that's right. So you're asking that for your audience, which I appreciate. I appreciate that a true Visionary would never wanna be the smartest person in, they would, they would find another room. So that's why you keep making bigger investments to be in smaller rooms. But the people in those rooms are making bigger impacts and because they're making bigger impacts, I wanna be in the room where I'm making the least impact because that propels me to make more impact. More impact more. You never, you never stop. You never stop. But, and then there's a huge difference between arrogance and confidence. So visionaries are confident knowing that they're great at one or two, maybe three things. 0 (1h 5m 23s): And then they're terrible at, at almost everything else. An arrogant person thinks they're great at everything. The arrogant person wants to be the smartest person in the room. The confident person wants to be the dumbest or one of the dumbest, or at least midline because they're confident that they're great at one or two or three great things. And then they can actually learn from the other people, the other confident people in those rooms that are great at one or two or three great things. And then again, those are the world. Those are the world people. Those are the world. 2 (1h 5m 52s): Our conversation about politics just popped back into my head. 0 (1h 5m 56s): I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this. Well that's, that's the opposite of the rooms I'm in. It's the 2 (1h 6m 1s): Opposite. I, I think that's the problem too, right? It's, I 0 (1h 6m 4s): Ignore it. Nothing I can do. It's a disapp pointless con. They're not gonna do anything. So I just ignore it. I'd ignore it. Yeah. 2 (1h 6m 10s): Well it's, how do you, how do you bring vision and change into something that has been so stagnant and self-serving for 0 (1h 6m 16s): Oh, I ignore it. Yeah, I ignore 2 (1h 6m 17s): Pretty much everything. Yeah. So I guess the answer is probably, we have a lot of people that have resources and influence and hopefully they're able to fund maybe certain people. I don't know. I don't know. But when you it 0 (1h 6m 32s): No idea. It felt, 2 (1h 6m 33s): It felt very discouraging when you're like, there's just no vision there. I was like, well, hopefully there is some, or hopefully there will be some, because that affects so much of our day-to-day life. 0 (1h 6m 44s): Oh yeah. So good. That's a great point. I never, I never focus on any of it. I just, so like, I, basically, what a Visionary will do is they'll create their own world, their own economy, their own network, their own infrastructure, their own purpose. So I just, I just, I just ignore it. And regardless of the policies or whatever in place, it just, I was, when I was on Brackman Dr. Brackman show, he's like, but you know, it's, you know, it's their world. It's their, I'm like, well, I just created my own world. And then again, it's fun going out into the human world sometimes with the youth, the youth baseball thing. 'cause you know, you have to go out there sometimes. But no, I mean, for the most part, I just talk to people like us and, and connect them and then ignore, you know, 99.9% of society. 0 (1h 7m 32s): I just, I just ignore it because those people are taking time away from taking time away from me and my family. I, it's a pointless conversation. And I, and I appreciate you saying you're discouraged. I'm not discouraged by it because I just ignore it. 2 (1h 7m 45s): Well, that seems a lot more peaceful. 0 (1h 7m 49s): I mean, it it is. I don't, I mean, for me it is. And people can do whatever they want. I just choose to just, and it's literally the only vertical I ignore. People are like, so, 'cause like first company's a global PR firm, but I was a journalist for 20 years and created entire company based on how PR firms annoyed me. So I, I have no idea what PR firms do. They just annoy me. But like, they're like, so do you care what somebody does? I go, no, it doesn't matter where they're located. It doesn't matter what they do. Doesn't matter how big company is. That's meaningless. It's like Are you a Visionary. Do you live in abundance? Do you look at things as investments, not cost? That's, but then I'm like, there is only one vertical. I ignore it. That's politics. I just don't, I don't even think about it ever. 0 (1h 8m 30s): Unless you bring it up. But then I, then I'm like, oh, I just, I don't even think about it. 2 (1h 8m 35s): Yeah, because when you talk about Visionary, I think the poster child for that is Elon Musk, a 0 (1h 8m 40s): Hundred 2 (1h 8m 40s): Percent, right? He is, he is an Alien. Amongst Humans. He's the 0 (1h 8m 45s): Alien. And he's one of the few people I can think of that has far less Empathy than I do. And I don't say that light. He has no Empathy and that's fine. But like, no, no, none. Zero Empathy 2 (1h 8m 56s): Really? 0 (1h 8m 57s): Zero. Oh no, zero Empathy. No, no, no, no. 'cause he doesn't care. Like he does not care. So like, I have endless Empathy for people like us. He has no, I mean, I've been on multiple shows where people have told me that. They're like, oh, you're like Elon Musk with a little more Empathy. I'm like, oh, thank you. I, I think, but like, no, he doesn't care. And he has a singular purpose and that's great. I'm very grateful for that. But I, I do not want to be like that. That is not, that is not, I'm, I'm glad. Like his IQs gotta be. What do you think his IQ is over 180? You think it's over 200? 2 (1h 9m 34s): Is there a cap? Like does the test 0 (1h 9m 36s): No, I don't think so. I, there's like, the highest I think that's ever been reported is like two 30 something. I can look that up, but I, he's definitely over one 60. I mean, that's not even, I 2 (1h 9m 48s): Feel like he is probably immeasurable. 0 (1h 9m 52s): See, 2 (1h 9m 53s): I don't feel like that test would not, would not work on 0 (1h 9m 56s): The screen. 28 Marilyn Vasant, that's the highest IQ St. Louis, Missouri. And her last name was Savant. Maybe that's where the term savant came from. Probably. That's hilarious. 2 (1h 10m 7s): We both just learned something. Yeah, that's 0 (1h 10m 9s): What I like. The, oh, here's someone that says they had an IQ of 2 63. Oh God, that sounds horrifying. Ugh. 2 (1h 10m 18s): Yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe I, I feel like I see Empathy with him and his interactions and even the acquisition of Twitter and him do, I guess where I was going with that is you have a pure Visionary, like someone who literally is trying to make the human species multi-planetary. And then he even got down in the mud with politics because, you know, social media was getting so crazy and so censored. And he saw how it was affecting so many people. So he, he just bought Twitter, you know, and I think he did that with a lot of really good intention for people to create change and to have some kind of positive impact on the political, the way that we're doing politics right now and the way that we're exchanging ideas. 2 (1h 11m 2s): And I mean, hopefully it works. Okay, 0 (1h 11m 4s): You're gonna get me to do this and that's fine. That that's what it will take. So like to, for, to change something like that. So like, okay, let's just call politics a vertical. Okay. Yeah. And then let's, because I see the world in numbers, so let's, let's compare p we're gonna do, I'm gonna do this for you and your audience right now. I'm, I'm doing this. I am morphing my brain for one second. Appreciate, because usually appreciate see the world. Appreciate. You're welcome. Thanks. Well then, okay, so in Kolbe world, again, k o l B. So like a doctor who's a doctor, that's like an 8, 8, 2, 2. So that's like a, a two quick start playing not to lose, afraid to make changes with an eight follow through. 0 (1h 11m 48s): So they'll just do the same thing over and over and over and over. And then the first date is a fact finder. So like, fact, fact learn, learn, but not actually taking action. So I never talk to a doctor who's a doctor, unless it's my wife or her friends. But I will talk to a Visionary who runs a healthcare company. I never talk to a lawyer who's a lawyer. That would be the worst conversation ever. But I do talk to an entrepreneur, Visionary, who happens to run a law firm. I will never talk to a c p a financial person unless I have absolutely no choice. 'cause they ask me the same questions every quarter and they don't understand what I'm saying. 0 (1h 12m 30s): But I will talk to a Visionary entrepreneur who happens to run a massive financial break. Okay? So I totally ignore politics. However, a true Visionary, a true Visionary who could potentially, I mean this is, I would never even think about this unless you kept bringing it up. But a true Visionary who could literally change the entire landscape of politics. That's somebody I maybe might talk to, maybe. But that's what it, it would take someone, it would take a nine or 10 quick start, multiple ones of them. 0 (1h 13m 12s): Because most politicians have a law background. Like it's in the United States, actually in most of the free speaking world, they're, they're lawyers who become politicians. So those are 8, 8 2 twos. They're not running law firms. They're lawyers. They became politicians. So they're, they're not playing to win. They're playing not to lose. And then they're literally trained in arguing, winning their argument, not collaborating. It's the opposite. So this is a struggle for me to do. Wow. But that's what it is. I mean, that's what it, it's lawyers who are arguing. 2 (1h 13m 46s): That's so fascinating to I, again, with a pattern recognition like, duh, of course. So if you have all these, 0 (1h 13m 51s): Well that's what it is. Why would you focus on that? It's a nightmare. 2 (1h 13m 54s): So, well, why would you want people whose, whose profession is arguing and playing not to lose, to 0 (1h 14m 1s): Be running? 'cause it's Humans voting for Humans. 2 (1h 14m 5s): Ugh. 0 (1h 14m 5s): That's what it is. 2 (1h 14m 8s): You just broke it all down. It makes sense. That's 0 (1h 14m 10s): What it's you. So I don't talk to, if you look at elections, it's Humans it's, it's, I mean this is funny, right? But that's what it is. It's commercials appealing to Humans who stare when they knock on someone's door and their dead is basically dead. Hey, what do I need to vote for? I mean, that's what it is. So why would I, why would I focus on that? But that's what most of the world is. So it's a human voting for a human who's trying to control Humans. That's what it is. 2 (1h 14m 43s): Yeah. So I guess you have to try to hope that someone with that is a Visionary feels like they have no choice but to throw their hat in the ring and for the sake of, of shaking the entire thing up. Not someone who wants to go there for argument's sake or to win or to not lose or self-serving or their world like their making their world better or, or their life better instead of the collective. 0 (1h 15m 8s): Yeah, 2 (1h 15m 8s): It's a mess. 0 (1h 15m 10s): Not my world. No, no. That was funny though. So hopefully that, hopefully that context helped and you did help me think about it, like why I ignore it at a even higher level. But no, it's pretty simple to just ignore it. 2 (1h 15m 27s): It can be. And then I think sometimes when you just see so much nonsense, you're like, this is insane. And I think that's probably what happened with Elon, where he's like, this makes no sense. I have to do something right? Like I have to do something to even out the scales. 'cause right now it is so imbalanced and this just is not working for most people. Most people just don't even know that it's not working for them. They go onto social media and they're like, this is reality, 0 (1h 15m 49s): Right? Well you, but the, there's one board that I joined, there's on because that, you know, I believe in it. So it's called the Wildlife Foundation and basic, I, I'm not a financial person. I, I don't really understand the intricacies, but like, so basically the foundation and there will be major capital and ma major players behind this. So I'm very grateful to be on the board. But like, it will buy land from the rancher or whoever owns the land, repurpose a good part of the land for like conservation purposes. And then there'll be like tax credits or something. 0 (1h 16m 29s): So like there, you know, like major thousands upon thousands of, of, of really important land in the United States and it'll help like grizzly bears and elk and wolves. And so basically we're like creating our own, our own ecosystem and conservation space. Like, but we're just, it's, you know, we're just doing it. So that's how like people like us can really affect change without politics at all. I mean it has nothing to do with politics. 2 (1h 17m 6s): Yeah. Just go through the private sector, which seems to make way more sense anyways. A 0 (1h 17m 10s): Hundred percent. Yeah. 2 (1h 17m 12s): Well Justin, this was amazing. I love your brain and I love, I love your mission. Where can people follow you and buy your book and anything that you might be working on that you wanna let the listeners know about? I 0 (1h 17m 25s): Can't wait to listen to this again to hear how your brain No. 'cause like that's how I actually, I'm like, oh man, wow, that was really fascinating to hear that. But the book is called Epic Life. Again, very grateful. Dr. Peter Diamandis, who's one of Elon's best friends, by the way. He wrote the Forward, he interviews Elon all the time. And then again that's Abundance 360. That's how I met your husband. So very grateful for that intro from, for us, from him. So Epic Life, it's all over the world. And then I guess the main site is BrEpic LLC dot com. B R E P I C, LLC. 2 (1h 18m 3s): Well, awesome. Thank you again. It was wonderful having you. 0 (1h 18m 6s): Tremendous, tremendous interview. Thank you. 2 (1h 18m 9s): And that's it for this week's episode of Chatting with Candace. If you enjoyed the podcast or you know someone that might, please share it with a friend or two. And don't forget to leave that five star review. 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